Ian Lungold and the Mayan Calendar

[andolin]

I first learned about Ian and his site, http://www.mayanmajix.com/ back in 2005.  It is one of my main sources for news; I have visited it probably at least once per two days ever since.

Ian's work ties in with Terrence McKenna's Timewave Zero model, although as far as I know, it was developed independently.  Ian came up with a very interesting model of mapping known history with the steps of one of the Mayan pyramids.  He believed that December 21, 2012 was going to be a very important date.



This is Bashar's summary of the December 2012 event.  This mirrors the belief that I have had myself, about this event, for probably ten years now.  It is not an apocalypse in any negative sense; but it is, for the most part, a departure from what has been referred to as "consensus reality," as such.

First saw this a couple of years ago and it led me back to Terrence McKenna's  stuff....I had a hard time with that, particularly the cyclic "speed up" stuff. The only thing speeding up on me is the aging process. The Mayan's were mapping something from their cosmological viewpoint, It's just a calender, in 2013 we get a new one, maybe some of us go 4D and we get a different calender...Maybe the sun burps or the polar caps/magnetic field flip and we get to the restart button..Maybe ET will save us, but methinks we have to save ourselves, Welcome to the age of Aquarius.

[Pimander]

Really? I channel his Sister in my creams

I bet you do.

Now, THAT was Freudian...   

[Littleenki]

I bet you do.

Is that Scarlett Johansen?

Le

[Amaterasu]

MEN! [I roll My eyes] [grin]

[Pimander]

MEN! [I roll My eyes] [grin]

Maybe that is what happens at the end of the Great Mayan Calender. It will start raining men! 

[Amaterasu]

I hope there's a good, brilliant, loving one that falls near Me.  Tired of all the saps I have been involved with, I tell Ya what!

[zorgon]

Is that Scarlett Johansen?

No she is a Pleiadian Priestess.

And yawl remeber Billy Meier?  He had one too...



And after that encounter I hear tell he had quite a few women groupies


So lets not rule out those Pleiadians just yet

In fact I think I will do a thread   Just for Nostalgia

[Pimander]

And yawl remeber Billy Meier?  He had one too...

I never did look into the Meier story....

[petrus4]

Amy and Petrus believe that... trying to convince enough people to reach their perceived tipping point

That is how cults work too...

You're correct that I have been devoting too much effort, towards being evangelical recently.  Something else that I've also realised over the last few days, however, is that the problem is not genuinely one of Amy's or my ideas being too impractical.  The real reason is simply that said ideas are not what most people want.

I have scarcely seen any obstacles to the realisation of a desired vision, that humanity has not been able to overcome, if the desire to do so has been strong enough.  I am equally convinced that the same is true here.  We talk about our levels of greed, hatred, depravity, and amorality in general terms, as though they are simply elements of an intractable human nature, when the reality is, that such is simply an easy way out. 

Virtually none of us have any real desire to overcome these characteristics; in the case of most of us in the West, why should we?  In the case of America in particular, it is never she herself who suffers as a result of her crimes; it is the other countries that have been invaded, bombed, or had their resources stolen and their citizenry enslaved, in the vain attempt to satiate American greed. 

It's easy to defend an inherently unjust order of things, when you are one of the beneficiaries of said order.  Theft from, and destruction of, ever increasing parts of the rest of the world becomes necessary to support the Western way of life; yet observe the American psychological reaction, hideous primarily due to the nakedness of its' transparent hypocrisy, during the two occasions in history, when some of the imperially inflicted misery has dared to come home.

So what we are really saying, then, is that a social, political, and economic order which destroys the majority of the world, for the sake of perhaps 5-10% of its' population, is completely acceptable; but that attempting to implement anything which might produce a more just scenario, is impractical to the point of being impossible.  Again I ask; is it really impossible, or is it in fact not wanted, whether it were possible or not? 

If there is one area where I will confess that Amaterasu's and my persepective are different, it is in our view of human nature.  Amaterasu believes that if only people are sufficiently exposed to the right information, then eventually they will come around and begin to implement a more positive scenario. 

I, on the other hand, have had more than enough exposure to Man's apparent, insatiable craving for his own extinction; and again, that is the real issue here.  I know that in America in particular, there are plenty of people who would prefer to see our entire species wiped out, than a scenario where their own lives were not made possible exclusively at other's expense, while they live at the top of the global economic hierarchy.  Amaterasu is sufficiently noble psychologically, that she is above the tendency to feel outrage.  I am not.

So please; let us be honest.  It is not so much that the creation of a better scenario is not possible; it is simply that those who currently govern and profit from the existing one will not tolerate it, and that at this stage in the game, they have also successfully brainwashed the majority of the population into thinking that said current scenario, is the only possible one which exists.

And you accuse Amaterasu and myself of being victims of mind control?

[Amaterasu]

I disagree, Petrus.  It's not that They don't WANT it.  It's that They can't shift paradigms.

I cannot tell You how many have said to Me, "That would be AWESOME!  But it won't work because of..."  Greed, power-hungry People, popularity...

They can't see the function of society in an abundance paradigm.  They WANT it but cannot see how it works.  They (like a board owner I know) are stuck in the scarcity paradigm.

[petrus4]

There is no event.  It is just a date on a calender.  If there is an event it will be stage managed.  That is how prophecy has been used it the past by those wishing to influence humanity.

"So it is written, so shall it be" - Ramses II (Yul Brynner - The Ten Commandments)

I've actually got another question here, Pimander.  Let's say, hypothetically, that there perhaps will be a stage managed "event."  Let's also say that the cabal themselves, will be doing it for their own purposes, because they want to get rid of any last semblance of human society as we've previously known it, in order to introduce, for want of a better term, the Georgia Guidestones nightmare.

My question is, that if the cabal can pick dates arbitrarily, and decide that that is when they're going to change everything, why can't we?  Why do we always assume, that the only things which are possible or practical, are those things which give them the advantage, and leave the rest of us powerless?

So my point is; they can decide that that date is going to be when civilisation collapses, and when we will supposedly be permanently and intractably under their thumb and control, for good.  We on the other hand, can decide that said date actually signifies exactly the opposite; a time when they are no longer an impediment to us having a positive scenario.  There are a lot of people in the world who are already doing just that.  When I did the permaculture course last year, I met a number of them, and I've seen others online.

I'm becoming very tired of disempowerment and defeatism, personally.  One of the most positive ideas I've come across, which I think I've mentioned before, is one of the core elements of what Peter Carroll and a few other people started calling chaos magick.  Namely, that we have the ability to take whatever is thrown at us psychologically, culturally, and in every other respect, and turn it around so that it actually works to our own advantage, even if its' original intent was exactly the opposite.

That is exactly the use to which I intend to put the current hype about this December.

[zorgon]

The real reason is simply that said ideas are not what most people want.

Precisely   And yet the whole plan is to allow people to do what they want

We talk about our levels of greed, hatred, depravity, and amorality in general terms, as though they are simply elements of an intractable human nature, when the reality is, that such is simply an easy way out. 

key factor there is the word 'talk' 90% of people (maybe higher) that come to forums like this talk the talk but none will walk the walk

As long as Americans have their beer, Monday night football and Hollywood scandals, they are happy docile sheep The latest Justin Beiber news or who is sleeping with who is more important than anything. opiate of the masses

Virtually none of us have any real desire to overcome these characteristics; in the case of most of us in the West, why should we?  In the case of America in particular, it is never she herself who suffers as a result of her crimes; it is the other countries that have been invaded, bombed, or had their resources stolen and their citizenry enslaved, in the vain attempt to satiate American greed. 

PRC was originally envisioned to be a think tank of DOERS with a base to seek funding to help those DOERS create alternate energy... That was 6 years ago....  and today... how many actual doers do we have here so far? How many projects have been made ready to the point of presenting to an investor?

Again I ask; is it really impossible, or is it in fact not wanted, whether it were possible or not? 

Its not that simple...

The flae in the plan is no interim solutions. Those people that say they would like to see it happen are not willing to suffer hardships during the transition, which wll take the lifespan of most people

For ANY major change to happen, you have to show the interim steps that lead up to the goal. People have to know thinks will be okay .

Amy has said the average person need do nothing... but those that NEED to make the changes have no motivation to do so. They would naturally stick with a known, than risk losing everything on an unknown.

So who will lead the change? To create a society like your trying to sell will initially take a massive amount of money to start. It may be free in the end, but in this messed up economy, who will be willing to step up and start the ball rolling?

As I said, looks great on paper...

If there is one area where I will confess that Amaterasu's and my persepective are different, it is in our view of human nature.  Amaterasu believes that if only people are sufficiently exposed to the right information, then eventually they will come around and begin to implement a more positive scenario. 

That too is my sticking point. Simple awareness will not be enough. I strongly believe in the Secret, the Law of Attraction... but I also know that power is currently blocked by a force I have not yet identified but I have a hunch   Just having people believe its possible will not be enough to move this mountain

I, on the other hand, have had more than enough exposure to Man's apparent, insatiable craving for his own extinction; and again, that is the real issue here.  I know that in America in particular, there are plenty of people who would prefer to see our entire species wiped out, than a scenario where their own lives were not made possible exclusively at other's expense, while they live at the top of the global economic hierarchy.  Amaterasu is sufficiently noble psychologically, that she is above the tendency to feel outrage.  I am not.

This is NOT exclusive to Americans.. Hitler was an Austrian, Stalin was a Russian, Mao was Chinese, Napoleon was a Frenchman, Tito was Serbian, Saddam was Iraqi, Genghis Khan was Mongolian... shall I go on?  All those names all tried to push their own paradigm, all those names also wanted to wipe out the others...

Yet all failed in the end. Most plans fail due to the size and scope. The more people of diverse ideas you try to get together, the bigger chance it will fall apart.

You can get a small group to want the same thing, but you cannot have all the nations in the world want the same thing.

The only way to do that is by force and control... and we all see how well THAT works

So please; let us be honest.  It is not so much that the creation of a better scenario is not possible; it is simply that those who currently govern and profit from the existing one will not tolerate it, and that at this stage in the game, they have also successfully brainwashed the majority of the population into thinking that said current scenario, is the only possible one which exists.

I will bet you $20.oo that I can find at least 10 people tomorrow who would not want a society of blissful pot smoking welfare bums with robots doing everything

The human race, left to its own with all that free time, will do what it wants and the worst side of human nature will rear its head. History has shown this to be true...

"Idle Hands Are The Devils Playground"

And you accuse Amaterasu and myself of being victims of mind control?

Moi? N'est ce pas mon ami

[petrus4]

I will bet you $20.oo that I can find at least 10 people tomorrow who would not want a society of blissful pot smoking welfare bums with robots doing everything

This is probably the central issue.  People have been trained to view misery as a virtue.  As if the mandatory eight hours a day of engaging in some pointless, soul destroying task that you hate, is the only legitimate form of justification for human existence; and that we have to do that in order to literally earn the right to continue to exist.  Unless you're already a billionaire, happiness is apparently a capital crime.

[zorgon]

This is probably the central issue.  People have been trained to view misery as a virtue.

Well your wrong. not everyone is living in misery. Most people I know are quite happy doing what they want. Sure things are a bit tight with the general economy, but no misery.

My biggest issue that I was not prepared for was my legs going bad making it impossible to do the work I was doing. And that job was paying $35.00 an hour straight time. It was effectively a part time (on call) job with a better than full time paycheck

So no one at fault really but maybe my genes   And all those I know are mostly the same age group and its medical issues that concern us.

So those I know are not brainwashed at all. We have always done what we wanted to do and made things happen. Perhaps had we been a little less wild and free and put more away into the nest egg... But all and all no misery

Mavericks we were... did more things in a year than most people do in a lifetime and paid my own way

As if the mandatory eight hours a day of engaging in some pointless, soul destroying task that you hate, is the only legitimate form of justification for human existence; and that we have to do that in order to literally earn the right to continue to exist.  Unless you're already a billionaire, happiness is apparently a capital crime.

Hmmm well I don't know anyone that doesn't like the job they are doing and none of us are billionaires nor millionaires. John comes the closest but he is not rich either, just has a bigger house with even bigger bills

Perhaps that is because when your a maverick you tend to associate with other Mavericks Like attracts like, Law of Attraction

Things can be tough for a period of time, usually happens when you get lazy or complacent and don't watch your back. Always managed to pull out and this time will be no different.

The job I has was hard and fast physical work, but it was a lot of fun and a challenge. Miss doing it and all the free time between calls and all the free goodies after the events

i probably will go back in january and pick up some of the light duty at Casino setups   I love those because they are what we call 4 hour mini's  You get paid a minimum 4 hours even if it only takes you half an hour to set up a popup booth.

I blame Obama though, fro telling people not to come to Vegas. THAT really hurt the pocket book... LOL last time he came to Vegas he had an extra armed detachment I wonder if he was worried the teamster would be angry with him after he reneged on a deal for election support?

[zorgon]

I cannot tell You how many have said to Me, "That would be AWESOME!  But it won't work because of..."  Greed, power-hungry People, popularity...

A few years back before I came to ATS (and ruined my life )we were on the verge of building a Dream... The Dream eventually was put in Limbo due to three deaths in the group, but before that we ran into a curious situation

Hundreds of those we presented the concept to would say "That's AWESOME, I want to be a part of that"  Those people were a select target group, in other words those with a direct interest in such a project.

As we got going and it began to look like this could actually happen ( we have a signed venture capital deal for $200 Million, a deal that is STILL on the table 6 years later)...

... what happened was that these gung ho supporters now realized there was a serious chance this could happen and that would mean they would have to work according to their promised commitments.  And most of them ran like scared little rabbits.

Moral of the story is that most people will not walk the walk... They will talk and tell you how great the idea is, but when push comes to shove, they will abandon you in a heart beat

And the plan was that everyone involved would be a partner/share holder in a co-op like business.

The rub was these very people were already doing this part time at small events...

So I know human nature first hand...  talk and a good idea is not enough

They can't see the function of society in an abundance paradigm.  They WANT it but cannot see how it works. 

Well its hard to see it if there is no clearly defined road map to getting there. And we HAD a very detailed road map for our plan... with abundance galore for everyone involved and very little effort needed to make it happen... But it didn't work either

They (like a board owner I know) are stuck in the scarcity paradigm.

So anyone out there want to help build a Dream?  I have a few good years left in me and I can direct things from a wheelchair if it gets to that point

Just need  "A Few Good Men (or women)"