I just fell further down the rabbit hole

[Pimander]

I completely understand Undo's worries about certain Islamist groups.  However, I do not buy into the idea that there is one massive conspiracy to destroy Western Liberal Democracy.

Yes aspects of Islam are derogatory to women.  So are Christian and even Mormon groups.  Yes aspects of Islam AND CHRISTIANITY are imperialist, warmongering bastards.  Some work in/for the American Administration and also the British.

Then again, as VillageIdiot and you have both just demonstrated that I should not generalise about women, so we should probably not completely generalise about Islam.

Precisely.  Most Muslims are like the majority of Christians and non-religious people.  They are raised to care for their family and obey the law.  They are charitable to a degree but ignorant and therefore easily manipulated by malevolent forces.


Telling the truth about religion, politics and the rest is the only hope.  Modern religion, especially Judaism, Islam, Hinduism (Caste system!) and Christianity are complete bunk and built upon a foundation of lies!  FACT!!!

Dispense with Christianity, Islam and Judaism and all of the major conflicts in the world disappear.  Poof!  Think about it, FFS!

As for Islam taking over by breeding, the fastest population growth is in China (predominantly Taoist/Buddhist and India (Hindu with an Islamic minority).

[Pimander]

the completely dehumanizing and deliberately anti-women social monstrosity known as islam.   i may love them but i don't have to embrace their dysfunction.

What about your religion?  Christianity?

The central idea of your religion is based on the idea that WOMAN brought about the fall redeemed by a guy nailed to a cross.  Ridiculous and harmful - especially to WOMEN.

Sort out your own Religion then criticism of Islam might carry some weight.

[Amaterasu]

ive never had a female open a door for me?

Interestingly...  I have blown a guy or two's mind by opening doors for Them...  [smile]

[undo11]

What about your religion?  Christianity?

The central idea of your religion is based on the idea that WOMAN brought about the fall redeemed by a guy nailed to a cross.  Ridiculous and harmful - especially to WOMEN.

Sort out your own Religion then criticism of Islam might carry some weight.

you already know what i believe about the sin doctrine.  what, did you switch brains with someone else while i wasn't looking?

[undo11]

reposting this in case you missed it (? )

god would not create something, knowing the future of that something, and then blame that something for something god already knew would happen.   in effect, blaming the mistake he knowingly created and encouraged to flourish, on the thing he created.  that makes no sense whatsoever.

the only explanation i can come up with is that somebody mixed satan and god together in the old testament, so that the story would inevitably end up benefitting satan to the detriment of humans, and used this mechanism to validate the rebooting of the planet and its lifeforms.

then jesus comes along and tries to fix it, and they kill him for it.  he's like neo.  the anomalie in the program.

[starwarp2000]

Interestingly...  I have blown a guy or two's mind by opening doors for Them...  [smile]

That's very gentlemanly....er womanly..... er personally... of you Am, you open a lot of doors in more than a rhetorical sense.

[starwarp2000]

reposting this in case you missed it (? )

god would not create something, knowing the future of that something, and then blame that something for something god already knew would happen.   in effect, blaming the mistake he knowingly created and encouraged to flourish, on the thing he created.  that makes no sense whatsoever.

God does not create in [tohu] or [bohu]. > Chaos or Confusion.
Man makes the decision to not listen to God, and that is the main problem. In the end there has to be a consequence for 'wrong', so even if God can see the ending, 'Free-will' prevents him from fixing it! But!, he will jump up and down and shoot flares in the air and send Prophets and 'his only Son' to try and get through to this stubborn beast (Man). In the end, it will be 2 Millenia (In this age) of evidence that: MAN CANNOT GOVERN MAN!

the only explanation i can come up with is that somebody mixed satan and god together in the old testament, so that the story would inevitably end up benefitting satan to the detriment of humans, and used this mechanism to validate the rebooting of the planet and its lifeforms.

That someone was man's inability to 'ask' for guidance from the 'creator' of all, and instead seek guidance from the destroyer of all.

then jesus comes along and tries to fix it, and they kill him for it.  he's like neo.  the anomalie in the program.

Maybe not the anomaly, more like the chink in the armour, the achilles heel and the 'little stone', so we can't say..... "How would you know what it is to human, sitting in your high temple, how can you know what we experience?"
Now we can't use that excuse!

[undo11]

the old testament tries to validate god's decision to create a faulty product and then condemn it to die a grisly death followed by a potential eternity of heinous suffering you wouldn't wish on anybody, anywhere,  by suggesting that the clay vessel doesn't have the right to question the potter's creative choices even if that choice is to create a vessel that has no other purpose but to burn in the fires of hades.  this sounds more like something molloch would say.

  in effect, claiming that god is above accountability and yet can accuse you at the drop of the hat of being food for the fires of hell, all of which the text claims, he created. these are the responses of a tyrannical animal.  it's like creating a broken product, deliberately (you broke it -- et.al, that particular jehovah is the accuser not god) and then blaming the product for being broken. you created the broken thing. the thing did not create itself broken.   logic, compassion, fatherly behavioris are completely absent, yet the text tries to say he's our father creator. 

no, the creator of the human race was enki, who is depicted as the serpent in the garden.   he behaves like a father in later examples, which are hidden from the reader by combining the accuser and the creator into one entity.   

something is seriously wrong with sin doctrine.  sin was a son of enlil.   he created sin.  doh. 

[starwarp2000]

That's more than likely man's interpretation of what happens if the law is broken. I grew up never having been taught about "going to heaven", or "going to hell", and the more i research into it, it isn't a Christian doctrine. It came into the Roman Catholic Church from paganism.
Yeh, I know brimstone preachers rant and rave about it, but it didn't come from the Original Bible!
"NO MAN HAS ENTERED INTO HEAVEN"
A loving God wouldn't sit and watch a person suffer in 'Eternal punishment', nor would he write about it.
The separation of that which is holy and that which is not is a natural part of existence.

[undo11]

starwarp

this is the thing:  time is totally irrelevant in the eternal plane, so if he was god, he would be responsible for everything evil as well as everything good based on the way the old testament tells it.   if he is responsible, why are we being blamed?  easy!  he's the accuser.   the accuser stands before the throne of the heavenly father,  like a prosecuting attorney, complaining about the human occupants of earth (his planet) and how they are abusing his planet and each other. 

his planet.  who tried to give the planet to jesus? 

[robomont]

jebus didnt turn my orange into an apple : (

[undo11]

robo

faith of a mustard seed is alot.  it suggests changing of physical matter with the mind in 3d space.  tell the mountain, move over yonder and it does. could you imagine the mess that would cause?  mountains crashing into each other.  mountain traffic jams. it sounds like alchemical  transmutation, like water into wine and a fish and a loaf, into multiple fishes and loaves.  this suggests you actually have to know what is safe to change and what isn't.   is it safe to change your orange into an apple?   i dunno, do you?

i think a better test would be to change your astral state at least in that way, you aren't impacting physical matter, which may have some unforeseen difficulties, like the butterfly effect. 

[undo11]

that's not a religious video, btw.

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[robomont]

no i was not trying to change it but i was hoping another member would since their faith was so strong.i guess my god was stronger than his god.my religion must be the correct one: )
or maybe your god wishes to let me burn in hell by not converting me.
: (

[rdunk]

Well, I said I had no more comment...............

The Bible is very clear regarding where satan came from, which was heaven.

The Bible is very clear where man came from - God made him, and her.

The Bible is very clear relative to God's command to Adam to not eat of the fruit from the forbidden tree.

The Bible is very clear relative to Adam and Eve's disobedience (sin), and the effect of their actions upon all mankind.

The Bible is very clear relative to "who" tempted Eve to disobey, and then Adam.

The Bible is very clear relative to the "original sin", and it is very clear the ramifications of original sin.

The Bible is very clear that death originated as a result of the "original sin", and death continues to this day.

The Bible is clear that a  woman would suffer the pains of giving birth as a result of the "original sin", which continues to this day.

The Bible is clear that because of the sin in the garden, the ground is under a cursed, and it shall bring forth thorns and thistles........... .

Etc, Etc.............

Yes, all of the forces of original sin are still with us today - yes, believe it or not - we, you, and everyone is still going to die a physical death at some point, because of it.

God does not debate his Word. His Word is forever alive, and it will accomplish whatever He intends. No matter what anyone says!