I just fell further down the rabbit hole

[undo11]

rdunk

that only works if you don't take into account, eternity.  on the eternal plane, 10,000 years ago is right now, and so is 10,000 years from now.  or 100,000 years or 1,000,000 years.

so ask yourself, would god create you as a broken product?  cause based on the old testament
(which i think depicts both satan and god, as jehovah and vice-a-versa), he knew on the day of creation, what you would become.  eternally speaking, it's ludicrous to suggest he would create you as a faulty product then punish you for being faulty, cause that's what it amounts to. 

HOWEVER, on the temporal plane, if he were a life form like the rest of us, he could get away with blaming us for stuff that he had no real control over.  THEN it makes sense.  eternal plane, nope. temporal, sure.  to me this suggests that god referred to as jehovah in the old testament is sometimes a temporal being, like the rest of us.  otherwise, he would be constantly contradicting himself.

[robomont]

the bible is very clear god could not answer cains question"am i my brothers keeper?"

the bible is very clear god was going to kill the israelites until moses stepped in.

that is two times your omnipotent god failed.
proof he makes mistakes and doesnt know all the answers.

[rdunk]

Broken product?? Absolutely not!! God made man in his own image, with a free will. With that free will, man chose to disobey God, as a result of the serpent's encouragement and lying, in saying "thou shall not die". And thus man "broke himself".

And yes, since that time, God has had a plan for the Way (Jesus) for man to overcome that original sin, and have the eternal life that was to have been man's destiny in the beginning.....................God told Adam that he could eat from every tree in the Garden, except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So, until the sin, Adam could have eaten of the Tree of Life at any time, and then would have lived forever.......but he hadn't done that yet, before the sin. And, after the sin, God locked it up, so he could not eat from it and live forever

And regardless, there is no "knowing" of the mind of God, except for what he says in his Word, and he says that too in his Word.

[robomont]

nobody knows the mind of a murderer either so murderers should be allowed to keep doing what theyre doing and we will have blind faith that they know what theyre doing.
nobody knows my mind so believe what i say and be saved from the torment of the bible/idol.
and all sin is ignorance and ignorance is forgivable so you are already free of sin.now worship your new real god that walketh the earth and blesseth all weed he touches.and bring forth fruit from his garden of eve.for not even gods body will live forever but his word lingereth for many lifetimes.for it is the truth to all that see and hear with an open mind.

[Somamech]

And then we discovered Space Laser's

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Space_Weapons_04_High_Energy_Laser_System_02.html

Those weapon's could explain a LOT in regard's to ancient times 

[undo11]

Broken product?? Absolutely not!!

according to the version of jehovah that constantly accuses people of being evil, broken products that deserve to be punished forerver, i would say broken product is an understatement.

and god made males and females in (his) image. not man in his image.  i point that out because it doesn't say man there it says adam there. they could've been male and female aliens, for all we know. we have no idea what the adam was before the fall narrative. in fact, when eve finally gives birth to the first human, the word used is iysh, not adam.  she says i have gotten an iysh from the lord.

the guy who this planet belonged to at the time,  did not want procreating homo sapians living forever, and we got nerfed. and that is the fall narrative.   

remember, knowledge at the time, meant of each other.  they had knowledge of each other (had sex) and eve gave birth for the first time, procreatively.  that means procreation was the big bad reason to modify life span.   that means we were nerfed because the guy who this planet belonged to *ya know the guy who tried to give the planet to jesus in exchange for his fealty*, did not want us ruining his planet.

seriously, if you think the OT god is jesus 100% of the time, you may need to keep reading.

[rdunk]

"seriously, if you think the OT god is jesus 100% of the time, you may need to keep reading."

It forever has always has been God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost! The Bible is very clear on that too. The man Jesus was born after his mother, the virgin Mary, was impregnated by the Holy Spirit as the angel had spoken, and she conceived.

Always a one God of all, consisting of the three parts, a "Triune God-head".

according to the version of jehovah that constantly accuses people of being evil, broken products that deserve to be punished forerver, i would say broken product is an understatement

Maybe a play on words, but seems to be a misunderstanding. God does not accuse, as he doesn't have to. He set forth the Ten Commandments, so that all of man would "recognize their own sin", and would "know" that they are sinners, and need the God of mercy, forgiveness, and salvation.

satan is the continuing "accuser of man", for the purpose of controlling man, and to prevent man from seeing the "TRUE WAY TO LIFE". Actually a quite simple fact of this life! Some will find the Way, and some may not.

[The Matrix Traveller]

that only works if you don't take into account, eternity.  on the eternal plane, 10,000 years ago is right now,
and so is 10,000 years from now.  or 100,000 years or 1,000,000 years.

Right on the nail undo, 100% Correct


rdunk...

Regarding the writings and religious beliefs;

These writings are historical writings, which the "human Species" has chosen to Bastardise in every
conceivable way, through "Ignorance" and Evil intentions.

At the "Root" of WAR and" Condemnation" human Religion is found.

rdunk your statements, Quote;

Yes, all of the forces of original sin are still with us today - yes, believe it or not - we, you,
and everyone is still going to die a physical death at some point, because of it.

I noticed you left out the word "I" so are we to take it you omit yourself, from your beliefs ?

and everyone is still going to die a physical death at some point, because of it.

Now this includes you TOO ! (the "flesh")

I have experienced, as have many others, what you believe to be Death, but we found
what you appear to believe, going by what you say, is B.S.

LIFE is Eternal but the Primate is NOT LIFE !

To claim that the Primate (Human) is LIFE is a Lie !

"The Real Self", i.e. LIFE is Eternal, and is the One, experiencing both the body and Environment !

LIFE can NOT Die, nor can the "flesh" Live...

They are separate "Components" !

As you will discover when your time comes...   


From your bible...

This why the Carpenter was Reported to have said; "Let the Dead Bury the Dead"
to a Man who could NOT follow LIFE but instead, that Man followed after
the material world. ("flesh")

The carpenter was Reported to have said, If anyone puts anything before LIFE, then they
are NOT worthy of LIFE !


It also says in your bible "The Fearful shall NOT Enter" !

Personally; I will follow LIFE wherever LIFE goes, because the Real me,
as in the case of others, comes from the LIGHT or One LIFE of us ALL.


It is written in your bible also, "Judge NOT that ye be NOT Judged !"


So you are "free" to believe what ever you desire, but Please, please do NOT try and RAM
your religious "BELIEFS" (Interpretations) down our throats !


rdunk; It appears to me, there are some or perhaps more here, who are far more enlightened than yourself.

[robomont]

and they could not see the truth in front of them and were lost.for their very soul was invested in the pulp of the tree.thus the light showed but their fear of the light kept their eyes closed and in ignorance they spent .never knowing the truth and lived blindly in the land of desolation.burdened by his sins and not living the true life his father gave him.but hiding under a rock and losing sleep over what could have been if he had been brave and tested his fathers law and knew every detail.
but the father was patient for nott wanting to lose one lamb said pray my son and ask for permission to test him and lord was happy that his son was wise.

[rdunk]

and then here comes more personal opinion    from Matrix again. At least, as you say, the Bible is recognized as somewhat historical, even from the non NDE's.

As some smart guy once said, "that's all folks", as is usual, this rabbit hole is going no where this time either!

[08rubicon]

   All we have is our opinion as to what to believe.There is no real proof of
anything religious.. However, I believe that Jesus is the son of God, is my
personal savior, and one day will change this corrupt body to a new body
and take me home to be with God and Jesus in heaven for ever. If I am
wrong, I or not one of you will ever know. If you are wrong, one of us will
be very disapointed. 

[petrus4]

and then here comes more personal opinion    from Matrix again. At least, as you say, the Bible is recognized as somewhat historical, even from the non NDE's.

As some smart guy once said, "that's all folks", as is usual, this rabbit hole is going no where this time either!

I have never seen you make a single statement, in any post on this forum, that did not consist exclusively of either nationalistic or Christian mind control.  On that basis, for you to continue to imply that anyone else's argument is erroneous, is intolerable.

[undo11]

if the old testament wasn't in our bibles, we could still be christians.   those books don't save us.  they are  interesrting ancient historical texts, with little clues and snippets of information about our beginnings, and stories that help us define improper behavior, good dietary habits and useful info on how to stay safe, get along with others, either by commandment or by example,  and how to interact with god.  problem is, the information in the new testament,  changes all that.  it helps elucidate how god would actually behave with his creation, which is not what you see in the old testament, except  on rare occassions.  god is almost constantly angry in the old testament. 

think, rdunk.  are we to believe that once inside a human body, god would suddenly become compassionate, whereas when in his perfect body, he's angry, jealous, vengeful, etc?   heaven can't possibly consist of spending eternity with a god who is displaying all the same characteristics that jesus told us to avoid?

[robomont]

man ove been to hold back but as officoal web cripple.that would be a burn.

[The Matrix Traveller]

and then here comes more personal opinion    from Matrix again. At least, as you say, the Bible is recognized as somewhat historical, even from the non NDE's.

As some smart guy once said, "that's all folks", as is usual, this rabbit hole is going no where this time either!

I see you have to keep raising that flag rdunk ?

Having Trouble keeping it up there are you ?

I wonder why.....   

Perhaps you are having trouble Convincing yourself ....   

One thing for sure, you are unable to convince me, what you claim to be. 

This is a "Research Forum", Not your own private Sunday school.