I just fell further down the rabbit hole

[undo11]

Gap Theory - Is this what you are referring to undo?

http://www.allaboutcreation.org/gap-theory.htm

oh thanks for the info on replenish!  the problem is, it still indicates 2 things:

1. that the king james version of the bible, has problems, regardless of people claiming it's the pure, unadulterated translation of the word of God with no errors.  because, as the article indicates, the original word for replenish did not mean to refill, it meant to simply fill.

2.  the world was not created tohu, so the tohu condition of the earth in the opening verses, is not the original state it was created in. something has happened prior to that point to make it tohu.

ever read anything by finis jennings dake?  in his book, god's plan for man, he outlines his position on the pre-adamic earth.  it's interesting. he was quite the bible scholar.  he stated that the earth predated humans, during what he called, the angelic dispensation. and that this planet was the domain of the angels who rebelled

[undo11]

In biblical writings where does it mention these 2 Floods you speak of ?   

other flood, genesis chapter 1, verse 2  and 3 etc, where it talks about the earth being void, etc.  and god's spirit moves on the surface of the water (the dry land is underwater) and the land isn't being created, the water is just drawing down to reveal dry land that was already there.   

so my theory is that this indicates the end of the ice age and the end of the  global flood that was apparently part of the ice age.

[The Matrix Traveller]

other flood, genesis chapter 1, verse 2  and 3 etc, where it talks about the earth being void, etc.  and god's spirit moves on the surface of the water (the dry land is underwater) and the land isn't being created, the water is just drawing down to reveal dry land that was already there.   

so my theory is that this indicates the end of the ice age and the end of the  global flood that was apparently part of the ice age.

other flood, genesis chapter 1, verse 2  and 3 etc, where it talks about the earth being void, etc.

How can it be a "Flood", if the Earth is without "Form" and "Void" ?

The Earth did NOT exist at this "stage" of events...   

As the Heaven (NOT Heavens) was being produced involving the Firmament for the "Earth"
& "Heavens" to appear in, as described later in "The 1st Book of Moses Called Genesis" Ch. 1

I know many think, "without form", relates to the many "species", but I should point out that the Earth
having NO "Form" meant the Earth was NOT in Dimensional form !

i.e. without "Form".

And "Void" meaning Empty...


2nd there is NO "Flood" mentioned, in "The 1st Book of Moses Called Genesis" Ch. 1 verses 2 & 3.

IF a "Flood" was involved the writings would have stated it...

So sorry NO Flood.   

The earlier versions, refers to the "Face of the Deep" as the more recent versions do,
but have had added the "Waters" into the translation.


Anyone who knows LIFE, can see these so called "Waters" mentioned, simply by closing the Eyes,
and recognising what is in their Vision.

It appears as a "Granular Texture" with Eddies in it like unto Water, all is presented through.
It is very easy to see the result of the Spirit moving upon these so called Waters.

There are also Samarian writings (before the O.T. writings, as they are known today) also referring
to the "Face of the Deep", as well as in other writings relating to the same story.



The O.T., contrary to public opinion, were put together, while the Jews were in exile. (in Babylon)

If you read the "Paraleipomena of Jeremiah", it refers to the "ancient writings" (records) being buried,
along with the other tools of the temple before being torn down by the Angels.

Your Local University, if it has a "Theological" or "Philosophy" library, should be able to obtain copies
of these writings for you, if you are unable to find them on the net.


From my earlier years, I still have copies of these manuscripts, in my own library, some of which are now on disc.


While the Jews were in exile, they established a new written language, now known as Hebrew today.

Prior to this, the ZION language was used, but the Babylonians got rid of this, and the new Written Hebrew
was established, but the spoken Hebrew language remained.

The Priests while in Babylon, (in Exile) wrote the O.T. as it is known today, from the vocal record,
passed down amongst the Temple Hierarchy.


This material in the past, was Not available to the general public, but things are changing
as more demand the availability of such material.   


The Face of the Deep is NOT the "Seas" because "The Face" was in 2D BEFORE
the "Firmament" was introduced, Creating Space between the "Faces" from One "Plane".

If you think of a Square or Round Plane in your Vision, and Rotate it about say a vertical axis,
you will find it has 2 "Faces", a Near Face and a Rear Face.

Even if in Conceptual form.





But there are those on Earth who understand these things and more.

In time, more knowledge will become available, as written in your N.T. writings !

Quote;  "And Knowledge shall increase."

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tmt

oh i know, there's a bit of a problem with them using the word "face of the deep" in that reference, because i have also extracted the meaning as a creative process involving the wormholes, or rather super massive black holes and the event horizons of super massive black holes (the face), that scientists are now saying created the universe.  and that is because the word for "the deep" there is tehowm, which means abyss.  i keep running into the same problem, the abyss=sea BUT it also equals an abyss gate (a star gate that creates a wormhole) in the sea.   so sometimes when it's talking about the abyss, it's talking about the sea. and sometimes when it's talking about the abyss, it's talking about a gate in the sea.    in this case, i think it's talking about both, a gate in the sea and the sea itself.  reason being is as follows:

in the sumerian, akkadian and egyptian texts, the first thing that happens is the primeval mountain rises from the primeval abyss, or better stated, the e.abzu of enki rises from the abzu. another way to state it is, the e.nun rises from the nun.   after which it floats over the water like a lofty mountain (moving on the face of the deep).  etc etc.

it rose from the abzu because the abzu is the abyss and the gate of the abyss, at the same time in the reference.  later you read that enki created the e.abzu IN the abyss. so either he created it in the water, or he created it thru the gate in the water, also called the abyss.  it's a complicated thing to be sure, mostly because of language variants.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Just thought re the Waters....  LOL.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Re the abbess...

Everything having Form, exists in its own "Hole".

So really we are looking at the Contents of "Holes"...  LOL.





or





The "Outline" is the "Hole" !   

Holy or Holey ?

(Both Words sound the same but it is the Scribes who give the 2 Spellings...)

If there wasn't a "Hole", for your human Form to be in, (a Hole the same shape and size) then your body
would have nowhere to be...  LOL.


All objects have their own "Hole", they exist in.

Think about it for a moment....   

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tmt

yeah the event horizon is depicted as water.   when i read the description of what egyptologists thought the osirieon represented, particularly when the original items were in their slots (which are now missing and they are guessing what those items might have been)  on the central platform, they say it was a model of the primeval mountain rising from the nun, or the waters of creation.  yeah.........

[The Matrix Traveller]

they say it was a model of the primeval mountain rising from the nun, or the waters of creation.  yeah.........

You are onto now..... 

[Pimander]

The Bible is very clear relative to the "original sin", and it is very clear the ramifications of original sin.

Yes, it can only be the fault of the Omnipotent and Omnipresent Deity.  The sicko!

You have such a clear understanding of the Bible.  I'm just so envious.



The better candidate for Messiah is the one on the left.

Broken product?? Absolutely not!! God made man in his own image, with a free will. With that free will, man chose to disobey God, as a result of the serpent's encouragement and lying, in saying "thou shall not die". And thus man "broke himself".

As an all knowing Deity "god" must have known what "man" would do.  Unless you believe that your god is not all knowing?  What's it going to be then, BS or BS?

#If I were you I'd duck the question with complete nonsense about god moving in mysterious ways and pretend you are not just spouting crap from Sunday school or Bible classes.

Yes, broken product you are.  Why?  You have the ability to think for yourself but instead believe what is so completely obviously a fabrication designed to control you.  Wakey wakey.

[Pimander]

Precisely, Matrix.....if Rdunk would actually do some research beyond that book he keeps banging on about, he would also see that he is learning a complicated trade, by reading one page of the instructions.

Even within that book there is enough evidence to dismiss the lies.  Start doing real research and the whole think comes tumbling down.

[undo11]

Even within that book there is enough evidence to dismiss the lies.  Start doing real research and the whole think comes tumbling down.

ah but it isn't lies.  it's jumbled up, mixed together, ancient history and science.   i can prove it.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Sadly the writings have been "Bastardised" by the human Species.      

Even the Carpenter told this to his disciples, Quote;

39.   Jesus said, "The Pharisees and the Scribes
have taken THE KEYS of KNOWLEDGE and HIDDEN Them.

They themselves have NOT entered,
nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to.

You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."

[robomont]

i read an article that sitchins stuff aint real.is the bases of your science founded on those stories or backed with other stuff.just being devils avocate here.

[undo11]

i read an article that sitchins stuff aint real.is the bases of your science founded on those stories or backed with other stuff.just being devils avocate here.

started with the bottomless pit chapter in revelation 9.  here, read this
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=9&v=1&t=KJV#top

that's an alien invasion   the leader of said invasion, comes down to the earth and opens the bottomless pit, which  in the original language, is Abyss.    the abyss is the abzu, the nun, the "star gate" in fact, i can prove the meaning of babel is star gate. 

the abyss has a door (gate) that requires some kind of key to open it.  and when it's opened out of it comes ........something.  i dunno what, but they apparently fly and their flight sounds aren't silent. it's quite loud and scares the guy having the vision.  he describes it using themes he's familar with.

[undo11]

btw i just watched this new star trek movie, and it was awesome, although i have a few complaints.