Trying to Believe...

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I've been trying to follow alll the info on the net concerning the moon and it's many mysteries for only a few years. I grew up during the moon race in the sixties and most of my science fair projects were about the solar system (cut in half pingpong balls guled to a poster board) to the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo missions. But until I found John Lear's 'The Living Moon' site and Joseph Skipper's 'Mars Anomaly Research' site, I just found the info out there severely 'lacking' and full of junk. These two sites opened a new world of info for me.
What peaked my interest was not so much what I saw but what I didn't see. Some of the photos and objects  that are pointed out seem nothing more than rock formations and shadow effects. The objects that are deliberately blurred or a later released verison, completely gone are the ones that bring it home for me.

I'm a 3d modeler by trade. I create 3d models from 2d engineering drawings, bascially turning a flat drawing into a working 3d model. Sometimes if the drawings are very old and haven't been updated to show improvement a site, I rely on an operator at a site to take photos of the actual  conditions and I use that to create a 3d model. I'm very good at interpreting distances and visualizing objects in 3 dimensions. I would love to get my hands on some 'quality' photos of objects on the moon and turn them into 3d models. I'm going to try this with some photos that I'll pick out and see if I can give them some 'structure'. I'll have to get some time at work to do this because all my modeling software is on my 'government' computer . Wish me luck.

[Pimander]

It looks as though your skills could come in handy. 

One I'd like to see modelled in 3D is below.  I have also linked to the thread, where there are more images and, so you can take a look if you haven't already.  The resolution isn't perfect for 3D modelling but that's what you get with Moon pictures unfortunately.

Despite some opinions on the image, I can't help getting a sense of construction or technology.  I could be wrong of course but it would be good to see what you can come up with.


Thread: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=96.0

See your Personal messages. 

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Thanks Pimander, check your msg's. I've seen this one before and I agree with you it does appear to have some 'intelligent structure' to it. I think I'll give it a try and I'll let you know what I come up with.

[Somamech]

Hey Sarge welcome!  I was without web for awhile at home to welcome you and others here, so there goes

I'm well and truly a believer of the solar system being filled with abundant life,  but whilst saying so I am not the one to have good pics.  I will leave that to some of the many experts here that have spent eons poking nasa with a tarred brush so to speak

Make sure to save to >>> .stl   

 

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Hey Sarge welcome!  I was without web for awhile at home to welcome you and others here, so there goes

I'm well and truly a believer of the solar system being filled with abundant life,  but whilst saying so I am not the one to have good pics.  I will leave that to some of the many experts here that have spent eons poking nasa with a tarred brush so to speak

Make sure to save to >>> .stl   

Thanks Somamech, I too believe that life exists in abundant amounts. What form and level of envolement by humans is up for debate. I've come to the 'show' kind of late and I find myself finding something that I think is incredible, but wait it's been out there for years.....Oh well better late than never.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Ok, here is my feeble attempt at modeling what I see on Schroteri...
I downloaded MR129635733RE from the LROC site. I then cropped it to make it a little easier to handle.
In the first video, I simply laid it out on a plain and rotated it around at 360 deg. with a 3d orbit rotation to get a different perspective that you see in a top-down view. I think the different angles gives a new 'look' to the object and I was especially drawn to the shadows in these different perspectives.
In the second video, I placed random 3d shapes on top of the object. Using the light source and the shadows being produced by them to determine what I think the shapes look like. This is subjective because the more I studied it, the more I could see different shapes than the ones I chose. I then rotated the object as I did in the first video. As you can see, and in my opinion, these are not rocks rolling down a hill.
I would welcome any comments, suggestions on what I've done, good or bad. Peace

video-1


video-2

[starwarp2000]

Hi Sarge, welcome!

I am new here too, so we are birds of a feather! 

Your vids are good!

Could i suggest that the cylindrical shapes in your reconstruction be more like those in the picture. Those in the picture are hollow and have a cylindrical base topped by a conical sectional shape.

Best guess at what they are is habs for Moon missions. The cone shaped object (or pyramidal) could possibly be a wide-band antenna, along the lines of Tesla's creations. Wide-band for the necessity of voice, video and data transmission to and from the moon.

Keep up the good work. 

[RUSSO]

... As you can see, and in my opinion, these are not rocks rolling down a hill.
I would welcome any comments, suggestions on what I've done, good or bad. Peace

First, congratulations for your great work.

Seeing the videos I got the impression that they are complex structures that could be artificial. Im very impressed with the second video, which despite having some interpretation, to me its pretty clear that they are not stones rolling down a cliff. 

Thanks for the hard work Sgt.Rocknroll

[sky otter]

gee guys
not knowing the scale
to me  it looks like a moon buggy that was leaving a track and lost a wheel

cool thing you did with thoses vids, though sgt.

[Pimander]

This is good stuff Sarge.  You're on the same page as me with this.

See PM.

[zorgon]

I'll have to get some time at work to do this because all my modeling software is on my 'government' computer . Wish me luck.

Working on Moon conspiracy on your 'government' computer? WOW That is almost as bad as that fellow at NASA JSC complaining about the music on my website when he was looking over the site at work

Nice work on that video....

I want you to have a look at Jacks work... in particular an Apollo 15 photo. All his work on that is here
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/01archives/apollo15.htm

This image...AS15-94-12741HR

These areas...









In the big picture you will see a lobate area... this appears to have been a result of land moving recently. Jack actually put in a request to LRO satellite to view that area in detail. He gave 'geological interests' as the reason. What we were looking for is if any rocks had been disturbed in the area

We found plenty...  This is the Tsiolkowsky Crater area on Farside, the spot were John and Norm Bergrun think the big spacecraft is buried   (I will do a thread on that later)

Now also consider this from NASA....


NEWS BRIEF: NASA's Deep Space Habitat



Looking at Jacks work from the older Apollo images, and now your model of Scoterii I see a similarity

[zorgon]

gee guys
not knowing the scale
to me  it looks like a moon buggy that was leaving a track and lost a wheel

Well we know the scale, the object is from an image strip with a resolution of 0.6m per pixel.

[exuberant1]

I think this might be related - if this thing is articial, that is:

The schroteri anomaly if not rocks is probably a ULRV (a big one).



15 mb pdf:  http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19790072311_1979072311.pdf

*This is a good read.

And you might also want to check out this, as it is also related:  http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4214/app3c.html

And also, here are some pictures of lunar vehicles that you guy can go through and try to find a match:

http://www.nasaimages.org/luna/servlet/view/search/where/Marshall+Space+Flight+Center+%28MSFC%29?q=+Apollo&os=400&pgs=50&sort=Title%252CDate

An example of something like what the schroteri anomaly could be:

[zorgon]

Living on the Moon: Inflatable Habitat Research - NASA

http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/208744main_fs-2007-11-01-jsc.pdf

ILC Dover's Inflatable Habitat Survives 250 Days in the Antarctic



NASA develops inflatable lunar habitat




This NASA illustration shows a moon base concept that uses both fixed and inflatable habitat elements to support astronauts living on the lunar surface.

Everyone is going inflatables LOL Even Robert Bigelow's new space station

[Pimander]

I'm definitely leaning more and more in the direction that this feature is "artificial".

I think this might be related - if this thing is articial, that is:

The schroteri anomaly if not rocks is probably a ULRV (a big one).

My 2 doubts about this being a ULRV are:

• The "tracks" just don't look like tracks from a normal wheeled vehicle.
• It must be at least 17m (56 feet) long.  Surely it must be more than a rover if it's that size.

If it is an installation then we still have no explanation for the tracks, unless something "rolled" in.