Ancient Aliens debunked?

[zorgon]

Childress is just making money out of books.  You just have to take what he says with a shovel of salt.

Childress is who got John started in all the Moon conspiracies

As for the Great Pyramids, they were built by the last race. The Pyramids align perfectly with the stars of Orion as they were in 10,000 BC, about the same timeline as the recent discovery of Gobekli Tepi and the Lost City of Dwarka...

So believe what you wish   but that is the truth of it.

Now if only we could have a look at that Inventory Stella   

[petrus4]

As for the Great Pyramids, they were built by the last race.

The last race.  Are you referring to the 4th Root Race, Zorgon?

The Atlanteans, who had bodies which were three meters in stature, created a very powerful civilization.  The Atlantean continent was immense; it extended from the south to the north, from the Austral region to the Septentrional. This Atlantean Root Race had its four seasons, or ages.

[Littleenki]

The last race.  Are you referring to the 4th Root Race, Zorgon?

The Atlanteans, who had bodies which were three meters in stature, created a very powerful civilization.  The Atlantean continent was immense; it extended from the south to the north, from the Austral region to the Septentrional. This Atlantean Root Race had its four seasons, or ages.

I think Zorgon is referring to the Zep Tepi people, or those of the "first time"

Pre-Khemitians, Pre-deluvial, and definitely Pre-modern human as ourselves.

Theres many who claim to have found the reason for the pyramids and what they did..of course all speculation...some say they were cosmic ray collectors, some say HHO generators, some say Torsion field concentrators, some say gravity generators, etc, etc, but until mainstream archaeology loses their grip on the dogmas of todays beliefs concerning the pyramids, we shall be destined to wallow in uncertainty about their true use.

Regardless of who built them and where they were from, it is a fact that at some point our forefathers lived on other planets and their DNA resided in other galaxies..that can be said with nearly 100 percent accuracy.

So, TV show debunked or not, Ancient Aliens existed and will never be proven wholly untrue by anyone.

Its all in the definition of what youd call an "alien".

Le

[Pimander]

The other thing I have to love about Tsoukolos, come to think of it, is that he's CSICOP's worst nightmare.

They have worse nightmares to come.

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We support the proper application of the Scientific Method, which involves the updating of one's hypothesis to the fit the data, rather than rejecting any and all data that doesn't fit into an a priori hypothesis, which the PseudoSkeptics do, which is totally unscientific and the antithesis of the Scientific Method.

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Check out the site.  Become a SCEPCOP.

[Littleenki]

Cool site Pimander..enjoying right now..thanks!

[Pimander]

Childress is who got John started in all the Moon conspiracies

Childress is onto something for sure regarding civilisation being far older.  I've met him.  He over-concludes and wanders into speculation though.  I think he knows he does but wants money for books.

While I agree that the monuments at Giza - especially the lower parts of the Second Pyramid, The Great Sphinx and some of the temples near the Great Pyramid - indicate a far older date of construction than conventional Egyptology permits, the 10,000BC date doesn't stand up to scrutiny.  There is no concrete evidence that the date is highly significant.

I'm a revisionist too.  That doesn't mean I can't still be a critical thinker.

[sky otter]

wahoo debunking the debunkers..been at that a bit


years age i read about old old..oldest chuches in europe having star orientation
both in thier building places and writings in or on them stating certain things
the study was done by a german , i think

i am right now kicking myself for not saving the reference to that

have you ever come across it...? anyone



I'm a revisionist too.  That doesn't mean I can't still be a critical thinker.
i hope you won't be insulted P.. if i say ditto 

[Pimander]

Closer to reality all the time.  You keep surprising me, Sky. 

It might have been a French guy actually.


THE MYSTERIES of CHARTRES CATHEDRAL.
Louis Charpentier. The occult message of numbers and relationships.
Illustrated.

You'll find that book and more on that type of material here.  Research Into Lost Knowledge Organisation

Unless it was Josef Heinsch, Principles of prehistoric sacred geography


Square of the Holy of Holies, Ark of the Covenant, and holy hill orientation.
Same metrical relations in sacred buildings as in the old spatial ordering of the landscape.

Notice any similarities between the two figures above?  Happy hunting. 

[petrus4]

They have worse nightmares to come.
www.debunkingskeptics.com

This almost brings tears to my eyes.  The cavalry have finally arrived.  It's about time we had a scientific counter to atheism.  It has been a long time coming.  We can hope that the neo-atheist insurgency may soon be coming to an end.

The next step is to liberate Wikipedia from these vermin, as it sadly became completely infested with them not long after its' inception.  From there, controlled demolition theory in the case of 9/11 needs to gain the respect it deserves, as well.  The effort to drive back the infernal minions of Richard Dawkins still has a long way to go, but this is an important first step.

[sky otter]

ah P.. i am laughing at surprizing you..you must have led a secluded ivory tower life to have never run across anyone like me...

i will have to do some nice reading here..thanks..but i'm still thinking it was a german guy

and this looks like mostly solar orientation from what i can see and what i am remembering was more oriented to constellation/s ..and it was all pre christian..and if i am remembering correctly  pre druid also..mostly small churches in small old villiages that had been overlooked but still existed
and it was there placement geographically that was telling more than just one  tale

i read a lot of chartres stuff before i made my 100' (yeah i meant ' ) labyrinth back in 2000
another example of the good ole christians taking over a paga hot spot

you've given me a good starting spot...

[Pimander]

ah P.. i am laughing at surprizing you..you must have led a secluded ivory tower life to have never run across anyone like me...

Hardly.

i will have to do some nice reading here..thanks..but i'm still thinking it was a german guy

Look above again.

Heinsch, a regional planner in Germany, developed his landscape-geometry theories in the 1930s. He published them in various places, the most accessible being this paper delivered to the Geographical Congress in Amsterdam in 1938. His theories became known to the Straight Track Club in England, and an English translation by R.P. Jones (which I have not seen) was summarized in F.C. Tyler's book The Geometrical Arrangement of Ancient Sites; from there Heinsch's theories were quoted in John Michell's influential work The View Over Atlantis (Sago edition, 1969, p. 21).

http://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/repubs/ggw/heinsch_gvkg/pages/gvkg_en.html

[sky otter]

 
hardly, he says..english humor is so dry...

anyway.. i did read your guys and that was not it..not early enough
so i am still looking..i haven't found what i think i remember (phew)

but i have found a nice little reference to what i was looking for
a prelim of sorts

i have copied some parts ...and we are kinda - sorta going off center
so if you move this to somewhere..just let me know where to find it..
even though i am fair at tracking, i'm gettin lazier than i like to admit..sigh

here ya go

http://sacredsites.com/europe/sacred_geography.html


this first part was just an interesting tidibt that made me think of soma and his orgone stuff
and free energy stuff some of the guys here are attempting as new..

Often erected directly over power points along the Earth's meridian lines, the dolmen megaliths served to tap terrestrial energies for the benefit of human beings.

Another fascinating thing to know about many of the dolmens is that they were originally entirely covered by alternating layers of organic and inorganic materials. While the purpose of this construction technique is presently unknown, it is interesting to note that the scientist and psychic Wilhelm Reich used the same technique in the construction of his so-called orgone generators, these being (much smaller) devices that were able to generate, concentrate and radiate a mysterious form of energy. Could the ancient builders of the dolmens have been using their unique construction techniques for a similar purpose?

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Thom's evidence, however, could not be dismissed. Both overwhelming in quantity and painstakingly accurate in presentation, it undisputedly demonstrated the phenomenal astronomical knowledge, mathematical understanding, and engineering ability of ancient megalithic people. Indeed these abilities were so advanced that they were not equaled by another European culture for over 4000 years. Thom's excellent books, Megalithic Sites in Britain and Megalithic Lunar Observatories, show with eloquent certainty that megalithic astronomers knew the yearly cycle to be a quarter of a day longer than a round figure and that they recognized the precession of the equinoxes, the 9.3 year major and minor standstill cycles of the moon, and the lunar perturbation cycle of 173.3 days which allowed them to accurately predict eclipses. Furthermore, these megalithic builders were extraordinarily keen engineers and architects expert in advanced geometry 2000 years before Euclid recorded the Pythagorean triangle theorems and over 3000 years before the value of Pi (3.14) was 'discovered' by Indian mathematicians. Surveying sites with the accuracy of a modern theodolite, these ancient builders developed a unit of measure, the megalithic yard of 2.72 feet, which they used in stone monuments from northern Scotland to Spain with an accuracy of +/ - .003 feet or about 1/200th of an inch. Following the leadership established by Alexander Thom, the English scholars John Michell and Robin Heath have gone on to demonstrate even more of the brilliance of megalithic mathematicians and engineers.



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Imagine the surprise and, at first, strident disbelief of the archaeological community when megalithic construction dates of 4000-2000 BC were factually established. The stone monuments of Europe were suddenly a thousand years older than those previously believed "world's oldest stone monuments," the Egyptian pyramids.

Carbon-14 dating had thus effectively and totally undermined the diffusionist theories as suitable explanations for the development of Europe's megalithic culture. This accurate archaeological dating technique, in conjunction with Thom's site surveys, demonstrated with irrefutable certainty that megalithic culture was indigenous to Europe, that it had developed wholly on its own (though perhaps with a mysterious Antlantean influence), and that it was the most scientifically advanced culture in the world during the long ago time of 4000 to 2000 BC.

As mentioned previously, each specific power place is unique by virtue of both its location and its energetic emanation. Certain power places were noted by ancient people as having energetic emanations which were influenced by particular astronomical cycles. The astronomical observatories erected at these power places were designed in such a manner as to be oriented toward the celestial body or bodies which influenced their power place emanations. While there were similarities in astronomical orientations between various observatories, there were no constant alignment patterns used, as each power place was unique in both its Earth surface location and its astronomical correspondence point. The energy link between these two unique points, planetary and celestial, produced a subtle energy emanation unlike any other place upon the Earth. As these energy emanations varied from place to place, so also did the type of structures that were erected to study the periodic changes in emanation of the earth energies.

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Myths and legends traceable to periods of the early Neolithic seem to indicate that a mysterious group of 'astronomer-sages' knew of the periodicity of cometary objects and their potentially lethal effect upon the planet. Authors Knight and Lomas in Uriel's Machine make a convincing case that the stone rings of megalithic times were used as both calendrical indicators and cometary prediction devices in service to mankind.

alright..back to the hunt..good thing the stupid football game sucks or i would be in front of the tube instead of intellectual stuff like this...

[sky otter]

 

can't find what i was looking for..sigh..but found a lot to read and that's always a good thing
so sorry for the side trip

[Amaterasu]

... the 10,000BC date doesn't stand up to scrutiny.  There is no concrete evidence that the date is highly significant.

[Pimander]

I've read the book and seen the film.  I completely agree that the end of the ice age played a major role in removing lots of evidence of civilisations and also probably in catastrophic changes.  I am not especially convinced by Graham's attempt to tie in star patterns or the precise dates they (Hancock and Bauval) give for the Giza monuments

Regardless of quibbling over precise dates (covertly in an attempt to vindicate Edgar Cayce but they are not open about it), Hancock has done a lot of good work.  He has made so many questions about conventional archaeology and its shortcomings and also injected new life into historical/prehistoric revisionism.  I have loads of time for him and others like him.