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Ancient Aliens debunked?

Started by Littleenki, October 18, 2012, 09:11:09 PM

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Littleenki

I watched this today, a pretty good compilation of debunking the show Ancient Aliens..let us know what you all think!

Its in HD so fire up the big screen and enjoy!



Cheers!
Le
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Amaterasu

I was disappointed that They didn't address the number of stones in the pyramid and the fact that if it was built in 20 years as claimed, stones would have had to be going into place like every 5-10 minutes...

Though They may not have used weird tech...  I'm certain They are far older than claimed, and took a LOT longer to build - especially with the methods as described.
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Littleenki

Quote from: Amaterasu on October 19, 2012, 12:33:04 AM
I was disappointed that They didn't address the number of stones in the pyramid and the fact that if it was built in 20 years as claimed, stones would have had to be going into place like every 5-10 minutes...

Though They may not have used weird tech...  I'm certain They are far older than claimed, and took a LOT longer to build - especially with the methods as described.

I agree, Amy..where this video shines is in its common sense approach to how AA is just to be a money horse for the History Channel..but where it wanes is in its explanations for how everything was done, and what timeline was involved.

They approch it from a mainstream standpoint, and tell us that the copper tools and various ridiculous lifting and placement techniques were employed..but as for the reality of it, they dont address the fact that it was all done by past advanced civilizations, instead of aliens.

They talk about how everything was built in the current era, and how the typical explanations for who and what are correct..but I and apparently, you, know better.

I also sensed a certain respect for the christian religious viewpoints on several of the issues there, so to trust these guys is going to take a lot more foundation aside from the stuff they debunked.

Sure the AA folks have an agenda, and Giorgio is a complete dippoop in my opinion, but the past civilization theory I personally hold dear applies here, and many of the artifacts and megalithic sites have a much more mysterious past than they tend to suggest.

Off to post my ideas on the post you made earlier..I do have a interesting viewpoint on it..and I like the gist of it as a whole!

Cheers!
Dave

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ArMaP

Quote from: Littleenki on October 19, 2012, 12:52:06 AM
I agree, Amy..where this video shines is in its common sense approach to how AA is just to be a money horse for the History Channel..
Like most of those connected to TV shows or videos of "alternative theories".

Some years ago I posted a video on YouTube, taken from a NASA site, showing the breaking of the tether from that famous experiment, and I received a copyright complaint. Some company was clamming that what I had posted was from one of their documentaries, as they were into those "alternative theories" and had one documentary with those images. To show that they were important people they told me that most of the management came from other big companies, including Sony, so that shows that although they appear as "alternative" to the MSM they have the same people behind them.

PS: I showed them that I got the video from a NASA site, so things ended there.

Amaterasu

Quote from: Littleenki on October 19, 2012, 12:52:06 AM
Sure the AA folks have an agenda...

Indeed They do.  They're not particularly credible - although I think the basic premise is sound.  And, as You pointed out, this piece too has an agenda.

Until we get into The Abundance Paradigm...agendas will abound.
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

Amaterasu

"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

Littleenki

Hehehe..I talked to Filip recently and he told me about thjs article but I forgot..thanks Amy!
Le
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petrus4

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Quote from: Littleenki on October 18, 2012, 09:11:09 PM
I watched this today, a pretty good compilation of debunking the show Ancient Aliens..let us know what you all think!

Its in HD so fire up the big screen and enjoy!



Cheers!
Le

I sat through about half of it before I got bored.  I will give the guy who produced it credit, though.  AA Debunked is the very first time I've ever seen a materialistic/"skeptical" refutation of literally anything, where the author either didn't resort almost exclusively to the appeal to authority fallacy ("person X isn't recognised by academia, therefore obviously anything they say should be dismissed out of hand, because they're not a member of the mainstream circle jerk") or hysterically emotive ad hominem.

I also thought the author was correct about AA's claims about construction being outlandish and non-credible.  The Greeks and Romans built architecture which in some cases wasn't all that much less awesome than that of the Egyptians, and in their case, if you tried to say that aliens did it, you'd immediately get laughed at.  Greco/Roman construction methods are a matter of historical record.

The Egyptians were extremely intelligent, and I don't believe that AA gives them anywhere near enough credit.  It's actually quite insulting, when you think about it; the idea that we absolutely had to have alien help to build the pyramids, because obviously we're far too stucking fupid to be able to have done so ourselves.

As for Giorgio, he truthfully doesn't bother me at all.  He makes me laugh, if anything.  If you want to talk about someone on that show who I think is really in the twilight zone, then that would be David Childress.
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Amaterasu

And then there's THIS:

http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/387/

Ancient Aliens Debunked Debunked Debunked – My Response to Philip Coppens
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

petrus4

Quote from: Amaterasu on October 19, 2012, 07:14:17 PM
Found this article:

http://www.philipcoppens.com/aaq_art5.html

Debunking Ancient Aliens Debunked

Unfortunately, Philip refers to the author of AA Debunked as "stupid," which is regrettable.  I think AA Debunked raised some valid points, (particularly regarding construction and architecture, as mentioned) but I didn't agree with it on all points.  AA Debunked's coverage of the Dendara lightbulb was particularly unsatisfying, as it completely ignored von Daniken's possible reproduction of the bulb, as well as another reproduction of a very similar arc light bulb which I've seen on YouTube.
"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburgers."
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Amaterasu

Yes...  Honesty is being stretched a wee bit on both sides, I think...
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

Pimander

Quote from: petrus4 on October 19, 2012, 07:48:41 PM
As for Giorgio, he truthfully doesn't bother me at all.  He makes me laugh, if anything.  If you want to talk about someone on that show who I think is really in the twilight zone, then that would be David Childress.
Childress is just making money out of books.  You just have to take what he says with a shovel of salt. :)

robomont

i dont have dish but i did see the one on the lightbulb.really pissed me off.
we could produce a better show than that.
do they even know what the word science means?

they all need a kick in the nads.
that would force some oxygenated blood to their brains.
ive never been much for rules.
being me has its priviledges.

Dumbledore

vril

If everything they were going to say was true on the Ancient Aliens show, it would have never been produced and would have never made it past the moderators.  The best part of the show is to get peoples minds at least thinking about this sort of thign.  Though, only a small percent will begin to research and begin to have independent thought on their own.

petrus4

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Quote from: Pimander on October 19, 2012, 08:59:42 PM
Childress is just making money out of books.  You just have to take what he says with a shovel of salt. :)

The main thing that I love about Giorgio Tsoukolos, is his near-identical resemblance, both facially and vocally, to the actor Fisher Stevens.  I'd love to get them both together on-screen at the same time, or even have Tsoukolos perform an impersonation of Vincent Lotello from My Science Project.  Given the nature of that film, Tsoukolos is almost how I would have expected Lotello to have turned out as an older adult.

"Here comes Lotello, yo!"



Can you tell which is which? ;)

The other thing I have to love about Tsoukolos, come to think of it, is that he's CSICOP's worst nightmare. ;)
"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburgers."
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