Hastings web site about UFOs and Nuclear Weapons

[space otter]

hey Pim  you'll get a chuckle outta this one...

http://www.kecksburgvfd.com/coming-events.html

[Pimander]

 

I'd like to try the legendary burgers.

[astr0144]

If what you have told us about Phil is true A51 and Al Bielek has said what he has in the video that seems to support what Phil had either told him, that he must have believed...or else yes it seems as he and Phil had been misleading the public with such stories..

Then it does seem to discredit Al Bielek..and it would be hard to believe his story on the Philidelpia Experiment.

What I find rather strange however is that Phil had gone to Area 51 with Ron Rummel and Both witnessed the Bob Lazar type Craft flying around...

and later both were found dead...

So on the one side Phil had made some story up in relation to the UFO/ ET Dulce base ...and that he had been some Underground tunnel Engineer ..

and later on ..then he does witness the Craft Flying around at Area 51...

I do find all that rather unusual in ref to the UFO/ET agenda.

Since we have worked our way round to Al Bielek and hip waders, here's a short clip from a longer interview he did, explaining that it was him who talked Phil Schneider into getting on the lecture circuit, it figures     -

[Pimander]

So on the one side Phil had made some story up in relation to the UFO/ ET Dulce base ...and that he had been some Underground tunnel Engineer ..

and later on ..then he does witness the Craft Flying around at Area 51...

It isn't mysterious at all if you think about it.

Phil Schneider jumped on the Dulce disinfo (he may not have though it was disinfo) band wagon and then went to A51 with a researcher.  If there were craft then he might have seen one.  So what?  He is still a liar.

Do you know that Schneider was mentally ill, had serious health problems, I think he was in debt and obviously knew his life had become a lie?  That sounds like a candidate for suicide if you ask me.

As for Ron, A51Watcher knew him personally and I believe he had personal problems too.

[astr0144]

I recall some of the things that A51 Watcher has informed us about Phil (and Ron R) and his /their background..but maybe cannot recall certain facts (at least at the moment)

Cannot recall if Phil actually was some sort of Civil (or Tunnel ) structural Engineer / Geologist  or if that was part of his made up story.

I think it was suggested that he had been in debt and somehow managed to come up with his story and then tour the UFO circuit giving his lectures..

I don't think that I recall it being suggested that he had been mentally ill. but that may explain somethings..(To some they may say what he did proves so) but I think that alone could be questioned..

and also being in debt...and bad health could make him a stronger candidate towards Suicide.

YES I agree he was a Liar.. if what A51 Watchers told us is correct I agree...

I assume you mean Phil went to A51 with a researcher....meaning that he went to AREA 51 with some UFO researcher....and not that he went to "A51 Watcher"who is a PRC researcher !  and thats how they may have met or How A51Watcher got to know about Phil... (or had Ron Rummel  may have been the UFO researcher) or was the researcher someone else. ?

There was a video somewhere that showed some of the Trip that Phil and Ron Rummel did together at Area 51 that I think they do show the craft that they witnessed.. I am not sure what year it happened ...

This one maybe (Have not as yet rewatched to check..)

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=yfp-t-728%252CE829074-s&p=phil+schneider+ron+rummel+area+51+video#id=2&vid=90712693abfa25514fb5d2e45bb41aa2&action=click

IF Phil and Ron did see a Lazar Craft ...to that I would say to me that is quite unusual...How many People claimed to have witnessed one at Area 51 ?

Not that many that I am aware of..!

If there were craft then he might have seen one.  So what?

Did they both Commit Suicide ? or where they Murdered ? or die of other causes ? Im not sure !

Was they Murdered for exposing the Lazar Craft ?

Phils's... Dulce Story I was was from 1979..

Bob Lazar's Story came out in 1988/89...

I assume Phil and Ron Rummels Visited Area 51 between 1989 and 1996..

He was on the Lecture Circuit (did 30 lectures) from 1994 two years before his death in 1996.

Schneider was found dead in his Wilsonville, Oregon apartment on January 17 1996. He had apparently been dead for several days (perhaps up to a week), and reportedly had a rubber hose wrapped three times around his neck. Tim Swartz writes that "Clackamas County Coroner's office initially attributed Philip Schneider's death to a stroke or heart attack."
Some suggest Schneider was murdered; supposedly because he was leaking information to the public, unveiling conspiracies. He in fact claimed to have avoided 13 murder attempts taken on his life during the time in which he was lecturing on conspiracy theories. He suffered multiple physical illnesses (osteoporosis, cancer, injuries). Officially, suicide is now stated as the cause of death — which adds up to one apparent and three official causes of death, which is three too many.

Some other facts about Phil in the link below..one being that he claimed his Father had been involved in the Philadelpia Experiment..

In a lecture videotaped in May 1995, Phil Schneider claimed that his father, Captain Otto Oscar Schneider was a captured Nazi U-boat commander who was then repatriated into US Naval Intelligence, was involved with the infamous Philadelphia Experiment, helped design the first US nuclear submarine, the Nautilus, and also invented a high speed camera which showed UFO's during the Bikini atomic tests,

seems like this article has quite a lot of interesting info (Real or hoax) on Phil that I had not seen before..

http://ageoftruth.dk/phil-schneider/

What ever , It does seem sad if they had both died .

It isn't mysterious at all if you think about it.

Phil Schneider jumped on the Dulce disinfo (he may not have though it was disinfo) band wagon and then went to A51 with a researcher.  If there were craft then he might have seen one.  So what?  He is still a liar.

Do you know that Schneider was mentally ill, had serious health problems, I think he was in debt and obviously knew his life had become a lie?  That sounds like a candidate for suicide if you ask me.

As for Ron, A51Watcher knew him personally and I believe he had personal problems too.

[Dyna]

This one from Minot AFB looks a bit freaky.




http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7112.0

I would bet some look like this

[space otter]

and later both were found dead

we're all gonna go sometime  ..so not an issue  imo

[astr0144]

To me... that  may depend when and what circumstances in ref to some of the facts that some of the theories may refer to..

Phil died in Jan 1996...he was only 49...

Schneider was found dead in his Wilsonville, Oregon apartment on January 17 1996. He had apparently been dead for several days (perhaps up to a week), and reportedly had a rubber hose wrapped three times around his neck. Tim Swartz writes that "Clackamas County Coroner's office initially attributed Philip Schneider's death to a stroke or heart attack."
Some suggest Schneider was murdered; supposedly because he was leaking information to the public, unveiling conspiracies. He in fact claimed to have avoided 13 murder attempts taken on his life during the time in which he was lecturing on conspiracy theories. 

not sure when Ron passed away ! but I dont think he was that old.

Found this on ATS....

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread472041/pg1

Another recent disturbing case is the death of Ron Rummel, ex-air force intelligence agent and publisher of the Alien Digest, on August 6, 1993. Rummel allegedly shot himself in the mouth with a pistol. Friends say, however, that no blood was found on the pistol barrel and the handle of the weapon was free of fingerprints. Also, according to information now circulating, the suicide note left by the deceased was written by a left-handed person. Rummel was right-handed. Perspiration on the body smelled like sodium pentothal, or so it is alleged.

If the facts behind the descriptions of their deaths are correct...It seems BOTH the Deaths of Phil and Ron could be seen as Suicide or Murder...

So I am not really any of us are really any wiser ! and it maybe hard to really prove either way with any certainty.

Its just ones opinion on how they may view the facts.

Admittedly they did seem to have problems...

but I think I would also have to try to find out how other associates of them may have viewed their mental states prior to their death.

we're all gonna go sometime  ..so not an issue  imo

[Pimander]

The researcher was Rummel.  I'll reply properly later, I have a match now.

There is footage here of Schneider and Rummel on the road trip to A51.

[A51Watcher]

Another recent disturbing case is the death of Ron Rummel, ex-air force intelligence agent...

Nope not true.

and publisher of the Alien Digest, on August 6, 1993. Rummel allegedly shot himself in the mouth with a pistol. Friends say, however, that no blood was found on the pistol barrel and the handle of the weapon was free of fingerprints.

That information came from his father in law, Paul Schockley.

Also, according to information now circulating, the suicide note left by the deceased was written by a left-handed person. Rummel was right-handed. Perspiration on the body smelled like sodium pentothal, or so it is alleged.

Paul never mentioned that, nor any mention of a suicide note.

I spoke at Ron's funeral, so I know a few things about his life and death.

Ron often hung out with Phil, so I met him on several occasions as well.

The above video is severely shortened from the original broadcast we did on the 'Cosmic Connection', on a local cable access channel.

There is a lot of footage that shows nothing but complete black, but eventually Ron manages to get the Moon into frame, but that's about it.

His main problem was the craft remained about the same brightness as stars, and so did not appear in frame.

I had the same problem and have lots of black footage myself, except for when they get extremely bright and do show up on film.

When I returned home after my Area 51 trip, I invited Ron over for a viewing of my videotape.

He watched intently during the initial black part and commented on how he had had the same problem.

When they finally brightened up enough to appear on screen, he hit me on the arm and pointed to the screen and yelled "That's THEM!!"

I just laughed and said yeah I know.

When the tape finished I asked him so what do you think?

He said "You scooped me dude!"

[A51Watcher]

I am now the owner of Ron's videotape from Area 51, as well as his entire UFO collection.

I donated whatever they wanted of it to his son (seen with his mother in the above video) and father in law.

Here are some further clips from the original broadcast of 'Dead Men Tell No Tails'

Ron finally getting the moon in frame -






Note that even though the moon shows up fine, stars are no where to be seen.

The LUX capability of those videocams were so poor they could not pick up star light.


And another clip from their room at the Lil Ale Inn after their excursion -

[A51Watcher]

It isn't mysterious at all if you think about it.

Phil Schneider jumped on the Dulce disinfo (he may not have though it was disinfo) band wagon and then went to A51 with a researcher.  If there were craft then he might have seen one.  So what?  He is still a liar.

Do you know that Schneider was mentally ill, had serious health problems, I think he was in debt and obviously knew his life had become a lie?  That sounds like a candidate for suicide if you ask me.

As for Ron, A51Watcher knew him personally and I believe he had personal problems too.

Yes in the past Pim and I have spoken quite a bit about Ron and Phil.

His summary above is accurate.


It would make a great spy novel to pretend otherwise, but I don't think it's the truth.

[A51Watcher]

I am now the owner of Ron's videotape from Area 51, as well as his entire UFO collection.

I donated whatever they wanted of it to his son (seen with his mother in the above video) and father in law.

I gave Ron his first 8088 computer and taught him how to connect with BBS systems in those pre- internet days.

He and Phil were mightily impressed with the continuous sheet UFO related printouts I would bring over from BBS files and various new books being published, and new videotapes being circulated.

So I taught Ron how to do it himself. That computer allowed him to write the 'Alien Digest' series.

The one videotape that mesmerized Phil was an early Bill Cooper lecture. He was awestruck and said "Well, I guess it's time to rally round the flag boys!"

If you watch Phil and Cooper lectures side by side, you can see that Phil mimics Cooper completely. He never spoke that way in real life.

What finally did it was a printout of The Dulce Papers. Phil popped a cork.

He did take that printout to our local UFO group meeting and at breaktime out on the veranda started telling people the Dulce story was real and telling them he was there!!

Quite a crowd gathered and he pulled out the printout and was pointing to it as proof he was there. (I don't think he had any corbomite to pass around yet).

(I made sure we broadcast that clip in the video shown above.)


Anyway after break time was over and the people went back inside, I went up to him as he was packing his gear back up and said WTH are you doing??

He sheepishly looked at me and said "well all this stuff is important information and has to get out, it's time to rally round the flag!!"

I said yeah but not like this!! I was furious and stormed away.

Not long after this I got ahold of a copy of the recently broadcast TV special from Nevada called UFO's The Best Evidence where George Knapp spills the beans about Area 51 and the Alien Craft there and culminates with the Bob Lazar Story and interview.

Ron begged me for a copy and then of course showed Phil his copy, and within 2 weeks they were suddenly GONE.

Ron did not have a car but Phil DID.... so he talked Phil into driving down there.

Quite odd that Phil never showed or mentioned in his lectures that video that shows him standing by the warning signs at the perimeter of Area 51, and of course picking up rocks for souvenirs. Never mentioned he went there and saw saucers being test flown.   

He did include the 'subject' of Area 51 in one 'lecture' he did, but no mention of his trip being there.

And BTW, Ron was never in the Air force as rumored above, or any branch of the military at any time, and never claimed to be.

But to no avail, the legend of Frankenstein Phil will never die.

I have seen many over the decades spend incredible amounts of time trying to corroborate his claims, and wound up conclusively discounting them.

But the public's memory is fickle and like the zombie horde, every new full moon brings the legend back to life like it's never been discussed before.

BWAAAAAHHHAAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!



 

[astr0144]

Thanks for your comments A51 and info on the Phil and Ron story.

Hope to check it out further later and may have some further questions !

Interesting to see how Phil's Dulce story came about..and he must have had some Nerve to make it up and go on the UFO circuit telling it..as well as some abilities to make it all up and tell it..

To have been involved in anything like he described.. I would have only thought likely if he had say been a Tunnel Engineer or within the Military..

Unless I have missed you indicate in your reply..Can you confirm  was Phil Schneider ever a Structural or Tunnel Engineer.. or had he ever served in the Military ?

Was there ever another similar related story about Dulce that may have suggested anything similar to Phils.. Dulce Story that you had been aware about ?

If there had been ... and generally there was little detailed further info on it.. then It would have been easy for Phil to have claimed he had been involved in it..and no one maybe able to question or prove any different..

Dulce is maybe still considered a real possible Alien base (To those who may believe in such a thing)
and if Bobs story is truth... then I see no reason why its not possible..

As Phil was doing his lectures... from 1994 to 1996.. the Internet was relatively new... so trying to check him out or facts about him probably was not possible and he could more easily get away with telling tales without anyone trying to prove any different to what he was telling his audiences..

It does seem unusual that he never mentioned anything about the Craft that he suggest that he witnessed at Area 51..

Looking at the video footage.. It is probably not as good or clear as yours or Bob Lazar's was..

Also maybe they did not really know what they were filming...if all they saw was something from so far away...  where as you say you got to see the craft much closer up.. and not just as a far away dim light..

so maybe both Phil and Ron did not really know for sure what the object was...ALTHOUGH  they were aware of Bob Lazar's craft story from the material that you had gave them...and I assume their trip was between 1989 and 1996....or maybe even closer to 1994 when Phil Started his lectures..

Do you have a date when they made their trip to Area 51 ?

I saw Phil refer to Ron Rummel's death, so Ron had passed away before Phil...and in the Video at Area 51.. Phil looked some years younger..

Phil died at 49 yrs old....in 1996

What year and How Old was Ron when he passed away ?

What do you make of how they died ?

Natural Death, Suicide or Foul play ?

It seemed that both Phil and Ron had family / Children...so I would not think they would have been suicidal ...and at the time of Phil's lectures..I don't think the videos suggest that his mental state appears poor other than we now know that he was telling lies..(if what you tell us is the more likely truth)

Is it just pure coincidence that you and Ron may had been the only ones to have known the real truth behind Phil's story ? and that very few people otherwise know any different within the UFO world !
or How many people would you think may be aware of the truth behind Phil ?  MAYBE more prove has since circulated around the Internet since..and many of the facts or info about Phil's past has came out and become more well known..

or has his story been much more dismissed over the years would you say , if  you had later told many people the facts and maybe it then went viral..

or maybe you never did release such info on a larger scale say on ATS..or other forums ....or maybe it would be hard to prove it..or not many would want to believe any other story..

I don't think that I have seen any websites that actually dismiss his story !!! other than PRC..
But I assume there maybe some threads around on some forums / ATS ..but they will have been lost in time...and faded away for most folk..

Does anyone know of other main website that may discredit his story  ?

[Pimander]

Interesting to see how Phil's Dulce story came about..and he must have had some Nerve to make it up and go on the UFO circuit telling it..as well as some abilities to make it all up and tell it..
[snip]
Dulce is maybe still considered a real possible Alien base (To those who may believe in such a thing)

Astro, I can help you answer these questions about how the story came up and whether there is any truth in it.

If you first familiarise yourself with the Paul Bennewitz story so I don't confuse you then I can "educate" you in a way that might help you understand the UFO scene in the 80s and early 90s.

and if Bobs story is truth... then I see no reason why its not possible..

There are links between this story and Bob's but not exactly how you will imagine.  There is evidence about this that is not just based on internet hearsay.

It does seem unusual that he never mentioned anything about the Craft that he suggest that he witnessed at Area 51..

Again, I can explain this and it is related to Paul Bennewitz.

Does anyone know of other main website that may discredit his story  ?

I think it would serve you well to do this yourself with a bit of help from detective Pimander.  If you look at the Paul Bennewitz story and start a new thread I reckon I can help you.

Some of the key players connected with thelivingmoon website were around and involved in this story and you could learn a lot here and not have to spend as much time as I did to get there.