Hastings web site about UFOs and Nuclear Weapons

[astr0144]

Thanks for offer to advise Pimander,

I have heard of Paul Bennewitz and probably  have  read threads about him on PRC..but I may have not recalled what may have been the connection that you refer to...

I will try to reread some things about him..

Maybe there is a particular thread on PRC that you had already created or recommend ! if it may cover somethings that are hard to find elsewhere..

I am more aware of the Bob Lazar Story and recalled somethings about Phil Schneider...

Hopefully A51Watcher  can also answer some questions that I asked about Ron Rummel..

Astro, I can help you answer these questions about how the story came up and whether there is any truth in it.

If you first familiarise yourself with the Paul Bennewitz story so I don't confuse you then I can "educate" you in a way that might help you understand the UFO scene in the 80s and early 90s.

Some of the key players connected with thelivingmoon website were around and involved in this story and you could learn a lot here and not have to spend as much time as I did to get there.

[Pimander]

There are some discussions on here but I really think you should look into the whole Bennewitz story before reading them to really get the picture.  I have enough to write a book on this mate.

Zorgon posted some stuff here.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2248.0

There is another thread where I make a few important points but please familarise yourself with the story first.

[astr0144]

Thanks for the link Pimander.

I will have to try to decide if I think its worth investigating Paul Bennewitz too indepth as I think you are suggesting...

especially if your or the general end conclusion suggests he was a fraud..

Based on some prior things that I may have read and maybe having some thoughts on what he may have been aiming to claim or suggest if he was a fraud...

even just based on what is said on Wikipedia about him..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz

Then unless there is some possible truths to what he said...I am not sure its worth the indepth research.

Some of the things that he seems to have claimed or suggested seem similar to the basis of the "X- Files" series storyline....although such things may also have come from earlier Sci Fi or Alien conspiracy material.

Having said that.. what he has seemed to suggest is no doubt the sort of thing that seems very interesting and the stuff that many would be very interested in..

Alien Bases and Tunnels , Colonisation...

and even if it was all a hoax... it is still the sort of things that is interesting to consider..

I can envision maybe Phil Schneider  using such material to create his story that would entice his audiences that at that time would not know much to question him...and that would be taken in by that sort of story.

Could there be any possible truths to any of it ?

If so that would still be interesting !

[Pimander]

especially if your or the general end conclusion suggests he was a fraud..

Paul Bennewitz wasn't a fraud.

Could there be any possible truths to any of it ?

Behind the nonsense, Smokescreens, disinformation, stupidity and outright lies there is a grain of truth in there.

I think it is useful for anyone who has a serious interest in UFOs to familiarise themselves with what happened.  To this day absolute BS is recycled from material that emerged as a result of the Paul Bennewitz affair and related topics.

[astr0144]

Your Comment Pi may offer incentive to make it worth the effort to research about him Further.

Its a while since we last had certain types of discussions in ref to certain topics to do with Aliens / UFOs...being for real or not ! or the many other theories such as its all been a CIA type smoke screen ....as I know for a while yourself and Sinny made many a suggestion towards..

and at one time I think my impression of some of your past replies back at that time did not seem to support the possibilities of Alien Life or what some may suggest as real E.T UFO type craft...

Out of much of the whole of the UFO / Alien theories that we come across.... the arena is a mine field and great topic for what maybe over 90% of what we come across in books or websites TV programs/ Videos..  Ideal for the hoaxers..

We went thru a stage with the Bob Lazar story and some other similar or connected topics for some time that I thought  you still did not believe it may have truths to it...

Then I think many on PRC maybe have been having doubts on certain past things that they may had believed in..after so many other suggestions had came along that made us consider alternative reasoning behind the subject..

Even after considering the  "Tall whites" story at that time..seemed to offer some other possible stronger theories...but even Dan (Shot in the Dark seems to have lost faith in Charles Halls story from what I can gather..) after he really seemed very keen of that story at the time and wrote a lot of material about it in his main thread about it..

Now as less and less   longer term members discuss such things in much detail anymore....

there is not the same incentive as there once was..

I think that later you did have further thoughts on the lazar story...and may now be more in the middle..

I know our views can change as we research more and more related topics and material...and one is not always sure where each of us are upto or how we may view things..

we can believe something for many years then come across something that changes our views..

I don't think that I was aware of your views on Paul Bennewitz back then if you may have concluded some possible truths to his story if it may relate to E.T life connected to Earth...although back in the earlier days I was very unaware of a lot of other related topics..

many of the longer term members had 5 to 10 years prior background to me when I joined PRC.

I can see you started your more indepth research on Paul Bennewitz...  almost 4 years ago in August 2012 based on one of the posts that I came across in the thread that you referred to..

You have suggested its a indepth research with lots of misleading material to make your eventual conclusion that he was not a total fraud..

I am not sure if he had wrote/told  his theories /stories in a way to use smoke screens for a reason... but some may see those as making some parts to his story as being or making him at least a partial fraud..


If I can I will try to start looking into him more..

Im not sure if there maybe a certain best route to follow about him or the things that he came up with..that may differ from what material we already have on some of the topics within threads that we have about him ..

Paul Bennewitz wasn't a fraud.

Behind the nonsense, Smokescreens, disinformation, stupidity and outright lies there is a grain of truth in there.

I think it is useful for anyone who has a serious interest in UFOs to familiarise themselves with what happened.  To this day absolute BS is recycled from material that emerged as a result of the Paul Bennewitz affair and related topics. 

[Pimander]

We went thru a stage with the Bob Lazar story and some other similar or connected topics for some time that I thought  you still did not believe it may have truths to it...

Bob may have told the truth.  That does not mean that the information he had was all true.

Scepticism is to treat every claim with doubt. 

Now as less and less   longer term members discuss such things in much detail anymore....

there is not the same incentive as there once was..

That is hardly surprising when
so much of the field has been a load of nonsense.

I don't think that I was aware of your views on Paul Bennewitz back then if you may have concluded some possible truths to his story if it may relate to E.T life connected to Earth...although back in the earlier days I was very unaware of a lot of other related topics..

Like I say, I think it would serve you well to look into the whole thing.  Go in with an open but sceptical mindset and you'll see how the UFO scene ended up the way it is.

[astr0144]

Well I think it was a stage / step that  those interested in Bobs story was taken thru and addressed quite a lot of the things that had raised doubts which we looked into in some detail...and at least came out  the other side with it still in tact after it was at one stage being almost torn apart...

At least we came up with some possible answers to some of those tricky questions..and the story continued on..

Bob may have told the truth.  That does not mean that the information he had was all true.

Scepticism is to treat every claim with doubt.   

Did PRC research make many members consider that there maybe little validity  left in the UFO/ET subject, to keep them interested due to too many related parts to it seeming to not have enough valid evidence to support  many of the stories / theories...that led to too many disappointments...

or is there still a lot of other things still to consider that has since created some other or overall facts or theories still worth further investigation that had still remained as yet to be dis-proven..

I still think there is some things that maybe could be pieced further together where things relate to various facts...worth further consideration.

That is hardly surprising when
so much of the field has been a load of nonsense.

Again just looking at some of the basic description on Wikipedia on Paul Bennewitz....his theories seem to relate from the 1980s..

I am not as yet sure how much earlier facts as far back as Roswell that he may have considered into his initial theories....

but some much came about in the 1980s...from Rendlesham  in the UK to Area 51..and Bob Lazar...
and Dulce.

Then there was so much later that referred to things being connected to the Nazis after WW2 and CIA like smokescreens../ mind control...

I have continued with some other connected further research that pieces much of the facts that have been researched or raised....that may make up how things relate to each other...but there is still what maybe a lot of disinfo thrown in but also some facts that could be valid and could explain what maybe going on..

Maybe further research may also connect it with Benniwitz's story..

Like I say, I think it would serve you well to look into the whole thing.  Go in with an open but sceptical mindset and you'll see how the UFO scene ended up the way it is.