Resource Thread: Identifying Psychopaths

[petrus4]

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This is a repost of my original thread, for two different reasons.

a}  The original thread has been hijacked and filled with largely irrelevant material by {{{several people}}}

b}  I consider Amaterasu's subforum, in hindsight, to be a more relevant place for this thread, as acknowledgement of the existence of the psychopaths (or The Lizard Hearted, in Amy's unique terminology) is part of The Abundance Paradigm.

I want discussion and analysis of this topic, but only the topic itself, as it is described here.  I do not want individuals such as [redacted] coming into the thread and dumping great loads of irrelevant material into it, which then completely disrupts it.
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Something I am currently motivated to do, is encouraging people to acknowledge the reality that contemporary Western society is largely run and governed by psychopaths.  The reason why I want people to become aware of that, is because once people do, they will no longer defend or advocate the dishonest ideologies (such as Capitalism) which the psychopaths use to justify their own behaviour.




If you have the time, please watch these, especially the first film, I Am Fishead, and educate yourselves.

This is the missing link; the missing piece.  We can try and devise and implement whatever kind of socio-economic system that we want; nothing will work, until we confront, acknowledge, and accept the existence of the psychopaths.

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.
-- Markus Tullius Cicero

[zorgon]

You are perfectly welcome to create your own forum to promote your agenda, which the majority of people here do not agree with as being a viable solution.

You are also free to use the special guest section set up for TAP and post your info there.

You are not free to dictate or call out specific people for going off topic in a thread.

Every forum has the same problem. Once a thread's point has been made and read by those interested and they made their comments either pro or con, the thread will usually take other directions. This is human nature and also the fact that the topic is vague and encompasses a wide range of related material, so it is easy to wander off topic onto related side tracks

[undo11]

with your permission, petrus, i will repost my prior comment about one of your videos. i am interested in your response

This video, to show it again as an example, is a fantastic introduction to psychopaths, for the person who probably does not know anything about them at all.

The single main reason why I want people to be exposed to this sort of information, is so that they can then begin to put 2 and 2 together, and realise that virtually all of the institutions and ideologies of modern society (such as Capitalism, Socialism, Communism etc) which they usually defend and advocate as being good things, are actually the creations of psychopaths.

wonder why he thought conda lisa rice was a psychopath.  i note that it covers all spectrums but he seems to be mostly taken with republicans and christians lol

also, the idea that competitiveness is a sign of psychopathy might be over the top a bit, as humans need that aspect of being human, to survive.  it's just that some take it to the extreme.  for example, i play wow.  sometimes i go to battle grounds.  i note people who just pvp and collect their points and move on.  and others that pvp, stop and spit on your corpse, snack on your corpse (cannabalize), make rude gestures at your corpse, t-bagging your corpse, and etc. that, i think, is over the top examples of competitiveness.   they don't just want to win, they want to stomp your face in the dirt, then laugh about it for awhile and brag to their friends later.  just the point of excelling at it isn't enough.

[petrus4]

You are not free to dictate or call out specific people for going off topic in a thread.

Point taken.  I truthfully felt nervous after having made the post, because I thought I probably had gone too far.

[undo11]

Point taken.  I truthfully felt nervous after having made the post, because I thought I probably had gone too far.

didn't mean to cause you that much unnecessary displeasure and discomfort!   just talking alot cause, well,  i think alot.  i think you think alot too, that's why you're here with the rest of us trying to figure out what's up with everything and, in the case of your thread here, how to recognize people who might be the cause of it or a condition that might be the cause of it. i just dunno how to connect psychopathy to competitiveness. without stepping over that fine line of making everyone who plays a game or has a debate or disagrees, into monsters.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

a}  The original thread has been hijacked and filled with largely irrelevant material by {{{several people}}}

Guilty as charged, M'lud....

as acknowledgement of the existence of the psychopaths (or The Lizard Hearted, in Amy's unique terminology) is part of The Abundance Paradigm.

Oh yes. This is important.
Amy, if you're reading this, it's important to let people know there is a problem, before telling them there is a cure for it....
We are discussing the problem, being psychopaths.
I found that film from the OP very interesting, i've seen the 'corporate psychopath' at work

Something I am currently motivated to do, is encouraging people to acknowledge the reality that contemporary Western society is largely run and governed by psychopaths.

I agree with you......what we need to do (once we have all agreed this is the case) is to work on a solution.
TAP is a solution, but it won't happen without blood & tears being shed.

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.

Cicero was right

Once a thread's point has been made and read by those interested and they made their comments either pro or con, the thread will usually take other directions.

always...

As for going too far, it was on the edge, and Z is strict but fair. This thread, and this forum, will survive, because we communicate, right?
(sorry about all the commas, it's my style...)

how to recognize people who might be the cause of it or a condition that might be the cause of it. i just dunno how to connect psychopathy to competitiveness.

It's a fine line, there are those who compete & are satisfied to have come so far, and there are others who are never satisfied, no matter how much they acheive.
Power junkies, i call them, mostly psychopathic in nature

[petrus4]

with your permission, petrus, i will repost my prior comment about one of your videos. i am interested in your response

I will look for this in the original thread.  I'm hoping Zorgon will delete this one before it gets too large, because I realise that I should not have made it.

[biggles]

Finally found this video of a classic psychopath, the Iceman interview.

His father was a psychopath and Richard, his son had a very abusive childhood.

Iceman tortured animals as a child and would put his victims in a cave with a camera to capture the rats eating them to death.

[biggles]

Just watch 10 to 15 minutes Petrus of above video and let me know your thoughts about this guy.

Please.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

I don't want to know about him, i've met people like him.
They mostly come unstuck, & die of their own exploits....
I'm just going to stick with the tech issues from now on, i'm not a philosopher by any means...

[Pimander]

a}  The original thread has been hijacked and filled with largely irrelevant material by {{{several people}}}

Sorry mate.  Like Beth I think a lot and get carried away.  I'm also like a dog with a bone when I have a point to make so we inevitably drag thoughts out of each other and practically forget what the thread is about.  There was no deliberate hijacking of the thread from anyone.

ETA:  Oh no, that post was off-topic.

[zorgon]

ETA:  Oh no, that post was off-topic.

[Pimander]

[Amaterasu]

I will repeat what I wrote in the T.A.P., You're It! thread:

What of the People who love power?  This is a question I have been asked, relative to T.A.P.  I ask, what of Them?  I do not discount the influence of charisma, but most of the Ones that rise to power in the scarcity paradigm have money behind Them.

Let Us consider a power-hungry and evil Person in a Society that judges Those They meet based on the three Laws.  If this Person has no other bliss, and can offer Others nothing but this Person's ideas to motivate Them to help with the plans – You can't have power over Others without having "minions," otherwise You become a "lone gunman" and We take You out of social circulation – that Person had better have some amazing charisma.  And until You have a decent sized base, You are, at most, a gang, and too many waves made will cause Us to take the gang out of social circulation.

Today, We judge Others by "laws" artificially and frequently non-ethically decreed.  Profit motive and political connections lead to "laws" that are created for special interests.  And because "laws," once enacted, just stay unless We see radical issues and move to remove the "laws" – like Prohibition of alcohol – they stay on "the books," We have millions of "laws" and cannot truly judge others except by the "laws" as We think We know them, or rather, by "laws" as We think they should be.  Many of the "laws" contradict each other, and there is no way any of Us can know them all.

What We see, therefore, is intrusion, curtailing of liberty, inconsistency, and limited ethical judgment.

You can think and believe whatever You want, but it is by Your choice of behavior You create, and so how You choose to behave will be the measure by which You are judged.  If Some don't like Your choice of behavior, don't spend time with Them.  If You are not fond of anOther's behavior, don't spend time with Them – and if the behavior breaks any of the three Laws, You (and any Others who care) may remove the One choosing poor behavior from social circulation.

Of course, as Accuser, You will be held to the same three Laws relative to the accusation, and Many who care may not take Your side.  So always choose Your behavior wisely.

From: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2759.0

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Good one, Amy

I missed the TAP thread first time round, reading it now.
In many ways similar to my thread on 'the implications of free energy' which is still in the 'closed' area, sorry about that peeps

OK so it's all a very neat idea, and there are tremendous obstacles in our path, the main one being human nature itself, i.e.distrust & greed etc.
But you are doing a fine job of setting it out in a simple manner that people can understand, and adressing all the pro's & cons. Excellent.

This list of social payment for work done is (for me at least) not even needed:

.......b.   Humans will do work They WANT to do for mere social currency
..............i.   Appreciation
..............ii.   Lauds
..............iii.   Thanks
..............iv.   Gratitude
..............v.   Reputation
..............vi.   Recognition
..............vii.   Self-satisfaction

For me, it would be a case of:
I would do it, because i CAN do it (repair machines etc).
I would do it, because it needs to be done, and i would definitely enjoy 'payment vii', self-satisfaction in seeing a job well done.