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Started by thorfourwinds, November 30, 2012, 12:41:57 AM

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Quote from: rdunk on January 27, 2013, 06:26:06 PM
Well, "looking close to the camera", for this triangle we see, is a bit relative to our perspective, in looking at this photo.
Sure it's relative, if it wasn't we wouldn't be have this conversation, right?

QuoteBut, simply from a viewing standpoint, how close, or how far away an object looks to be, is also very relative to its size.
I don't think so, that's when you compare sizes or use size to get an idea of distance. If you are only trying to find the distance of an object for which you don't know the size then size is meaningless.

QuoteSo, if a piece of tile was right at the window, a camera might see it. But, a 6 inch tile, only several hundred feet away, if seeable, would appear as a speck of "black pepper".  And it would become un-seeable at any farther distance.
What happened to the "tele-photo properties of the camera"? ;)

The page for that photo has this at the bottom:
Camera Focal Length: 100mm

With that focal length, a 6 inch tile wouldn't appear as a speck if it was at some 30 to 50 metres from the camera.

QuoteSo, it is a U-F-O by definition, because no one seems to know what it is.
Only if the definition is "unidentified floating object", as we cannot know if it's just floating or flying on its own.


rdunk

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"Only if the definition is "unidentified floating object", as we cannot know if it's just floating or flying on its own".

"ARMAP, while I don't agree with part of what you said, there is no real reason to discuss.

Though, this is one "anomaly" that you at least probably will not proclaim it to be a "rock", a simple crater, nor or a "cosmic streak".  ;) 

More than likely, the black triangular feature is an object that has just somehow fallen from the "stargate path", as it was arriving at, or leaving, the planet.  ;D

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Quote from: rdunk on January 28, 2013, 01:56:20 AM
"Only if the definition is "unidentified floating object", as we cannot know if it's just floating or flying on its own".

"ARMAP, while I don't agree with part of what you said, this particular subject is not worth the discussion.

Though, this is one "anomaly" that you at least probably will not proclaim it to be a "rock", a simple crater, nor or a "cosmic streak".  ;) 

More than likely, the black triangular feature is an object that has just somehow fallen from the "stargate path", as it was arriving at, or leaving, the planet.  ;D

lol are you poking fun at my stargate theory? :D  say yes so i can challenge you, as a christian, to review my data.
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No, I really wasn't poking fun at the stargate possibility. With what we know right now about the black triangle, I just considered it as much a possible alternative explanation, as is being a "shuttle tile", at any distance.

What little poking-fun I was doing, was mostly of our not-so-in-the-closet skeptic, ARMAP.  :D :D - - just friendly fun!!

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The Future of On-Orbit Satellite Servicing


From a technological perspective, we are now at the point where satellite servicing is readily possible. There are still some challenges, but none of which are a detriment to moving forward.

From a needs perspective, one only has to look at the growing number of objects placed between Low Earth Orbit and Geostationary Earth Orbit (GEO) in the last 25 years. This includes a growing and dangerous category of object - orbital debris.

There are over 19,000 objects in orbit that are larger than 10 centimeters in size. Smaller debris numbers are in the tens of millions. There are however over 1500 objects considered to be debris that weigh over 100 kilograms each and which account for the 98% of the over 1900 tons of debris in orbit.

Aside from orbital debris, we've seen the number of GEO satellites increase from 50 to 398 active satellites in the last 25 years. GEO satellite slots are finite and valuable. Dealing with the removal of, or servicing of satellites in these slots is a critical issue going forward.






MDA Corporation of Canada in 2010 announced plans to move forward with an on-orbit solution it calls the Space Infrastructure Servicing (SIS).

The SIS spacecraft is an on-orbit servicing spacecraft that would initially carry up to 2,000 kilograms of fuel and a suite of robotic tools to service satellites. It seemed the venture was going nowhere as MDA was initially unable to sign on an anchor tenant needed to make the venture viable.

But on March 15th of this year, MDA announced it had finally signed up its anchor tenant, and a large one at that - Intelsat. MDA was so confident in the venture, and being flush with cash, it decided to take a gamble and fund the initial development itself.

It would invest $200 million over the next four years.




While the deal with Intelsat was what it had been hoping for, it concerned only a portion of the commercial satellite market.

Its business plan apparently included the need to service U.S. government satellites as well. But being a Canadian company, the question is whether it would be allowed to compete for U.S. government contracts in this area.




MDA does have a U.S. subsidiary company, MDA Information Systems Inc., which has been operating in the U.S. since 1969. It's with this subsidiary company MDA hopes to able to bid on government contracts.

At this time, MDA is currently conducting an extended definition phase of its SIS initiative. The definition phase is scheduled to be completed by early November. If MDA concludes that there is enough of a market, it will move forward with the project. However, the question of whether it can compete for potential U.S. government contracts remains open and it is unclear if MDA would proceed if it could not access the government market.

What's important to understand with the MDA initiative is that Intelsat, a major satellite service provider, has shown faith in MDA's plan to service its satellites. This is a first. This points to the fact that a potentially lucrative new revenue stream in the space systems sector is about to open up.

Regardless of MDA's future in the on-orbit satellite servicing market, there now appears to be momentum building for a viable commercial solution to the much needed on-orbit satellite servicing market.

The future of on-orbit satellite servicing it seems, starts now.

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We didn't see this in Zorgon's Naval Space Command, so we will trace the origin of the present-day Combined Space Operations Initiative.




Personnel of the 624th Operations Center, located at Joint Base San Antonio - Lackland, conduct cyber operations.


Naval Network and Space Operations Command Established

Story Number: NNS020729-15Release Date: 7/29/2002 10:21:00 AM
By Gary R. Wagner, Naval Network and Space Operations Command Public Affairs


DAHLGREN, Va. (NNS) -- A new command charged with operating and maintaining the Navy's space and global telecommunications systems and services was established in formal ceremonies here recently.

The Naval Network and Space Operations Command (NNSOC), created through the merger of elements of Naval Space Command and the Naval Network Operations Command, will execute operational oversight of shipboard networks, Navy's satellite communication systems and overseas communications networks, as well as the Navy's portion of the Navy-Marine Corps Intranet.

"To this point, the fleet has not had a single sponsor for network operations," observes Rear Adm. John Cryer, Naval Network and Space Operations Command's first commander. "This organization will consolidate the strengths of its predecessors to provide crucial leadership in this area of fleet support and a more efficient mechanism to responding to fleet telecommunications requirements."

Cryer, who assumed command of Naval Space Command in December 2001, emphasizes that the establishment of NNSOC is representative of the Chief of Naval Operations objectives directed toward alignment.

"CNO's goal is to create a streamlined Navy with a good handle on efficient and effective business practices. Our objective will be to develop an efficient organization that is more responsive to fleet needs," says Cryer.


NIOC Misawa, Japan


The new organization is a subordinate element of the Naval Network Warfare Command (NETWARCOM) established earlier this month in Norfolk, Va., and commanded by Vice Adm. Richard W. Mayo.

NETWARCOM will serve as the central authority to coordinate all information technology, information operations and space activities in support of all fleet commanders in chief. Within the Navy hierarchy, NETWARCOM will have a position equivalent to that of the "type commanders" who oversee the surface, undersea and air warfare communities.

Mayo also assumes the title of commander, Naval Space Command, and the role as the naval component to the U.S. Space Command. The commander for NNSOC at Dahlgren will serve in an additional duty capacity as deputy commander, Naval Space Command.

The merger of Naval Space Command and the Naval Network Operations Command affects some 5,800 military personnel and civilian employees currently assigned to both organizations and their various components, including approximately 300 personnel at NAVSPACECOM's Dahlgren location and another 300 personnel at NNOC's headquarters in Washington, D.C.

Future plans call for relocating all personnel from the Washington location to an expanded NNSOC facility in Dahlgren. Funds for a military construction project to build a 75,000-square-foot addition to NAVSPACECOM's current building have been programmed for fiscal year 2004. Construction is planned to start in the spring of 2004.

Organizations assigned as subordinate commands to NNSOC include the Naval Satellite Operations Center in Point Mugu, Calif.; Fleet Surveillance Support Command in Chesapeake, Va.; and the regional Naval Computer and Telecommunications Area Master Stations (NCTAMS) in Norfolk, Va., Naples, Italy, and Wahiawa, Hawaii.

For more information on the Naval Network and Space Operations Command, go to www.nnsoc.navy.mil.
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DCMilitary.com -- Dahlgren Base Guide


Naval Support Facility Dahlgren
Naval Network and Space Operations Command


Naval Network and Space Operations Command (NNSOC) was established on July 12, 2002, through the merger of elements of Naval Space Command at Dahlgren, Va., and the Naval Network Operations Command in Washington, D.C.

This action was part of a broader organizational realignment that also established the Naval Network Warfare Command (NETWARCOM) as the service's first type commander for the Navy network and the information technology, information operations and space systems that support it.




NETWARCOM was created to be the central operational authority responsible for coordinating all information technology, information operations, and space requirements and operations within the Navy.

As a subordinate of Naval Network Warfare Command, NNSOC is responsible for operating and maintaining telecommunications and space infrastructure that supports naval operations. NNSOC executes oversight of shore-to-ship network services and operations to include messaging, voice and IP connectivity, ground and space segments for Navy's satellite communication systems, overseas communications networks, and the Navy portion of the Navy Marine Corps Intranet (NMCI).

Additionally, on April 4, 2005, Commander Naval Network and Space Operations Command also assumed the title as Director of Global Operations for NETWARCOM.




Headquartered at Dahlgren, Va., NNSOC consolidates headquarters and operational elements of the former Naval Space Command and Naval Network Operations Command. Organizations assigned as subordinate commands to NNSOC include the Naval Satellite Operations Center in Point Mugu, Calif.; Fleet Surveillance Support Command in Chesapeake, Va.; and the regional Naval Computer and Telecommunications Area Master Stations (NCTAMS) in Norfolk, Va., and Wahiawa, Hawaii.


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Restructuring Boosts Navy Information Sharing | SIGNAL Magazine

The evolution began in September 2005 with the integration of the Naval Security Group (NSG) and its subordinate commands into the Naval Network Warfare Command (NETWARCOM), Norfolk, Virginia. It continued unfolding in September 2006 when the Naval Network and Space Operations Command (NNSOC), Dahlgren, Virginia, was disestablished, and NETWARCOM subsumed its responsibilities as well.

Many of the NNSOC's 250 billets are being used to staff NETWARCOM's Network Information Operations and SpaceCenter. The amalgamation of capabilities positions NETWARCOM to achieve the vision crafted for the command when it was launched four years ago.

Vice Adm. James D. McArthur Jr., USN, commander, NETWARCOM, explains that merging the NSG into the command particularly will benefit the Navy in the area of information operations.

"NSG used to be an Echelon 2 command under the chief of naval operations located in the National Capital Region. Now it's been subsumed by NETWARCOM, which has given NETWARCOM the opportunity to bring those skill sets into full mission alignment for support to Navy component commanders," he says.

Coordination between the intelligence community and the Navy will help the military dominate the battlespace, especially in the information domain, the admiral states. Attaining this dominance was more difficult under the previous structure. "The alignment of the information operations mission for the Navy under NETWARCOM led to the merger of the NSG with its mission of information operations and, historically, cryptology. This brings together Title 10—man, train and equip—with Title 50—intelligence.



"If you look at the force, the people in [the NSG], it's a mix of Navy-funded billets and National Security Agency- or intelligence community-funded billets. It was an independent Echelon 2 Service Cryptologic Element under a Title 50 application or umbrella. The new alignment under NETWARCOM allows us to appropriately—and you need to qualify it—appropriately mix Title 10 and Title 50 together, particularly in the information domain of the battlespace.

This is still relatively new. It's fairly complex, but the challenge is to be dominant in the information domain, and in order to do so, you need that mix of Title 10 and Title 50. The Navy thought that it had relevance, and it was important in terms of a supporting commander's role. The Navy component commanders and joint forces were willing to make that commitment," he says. U.S. Code Title 50 governs war and national defense activity, particularly in the intelligence realm.

Assembling these capabilities under the NETWARCOM umbrella is important because the command's responsibilities comprise three elements and a complex mission set. The command is a functional, operational commander that supports the Navy's component commanders as well as joint commanders.

In that capacity, it serves as the service's component commander of the U.S. Strategic Command.

In addition, NETWARCOM carries out traditional force commander responsibilities that accommodate its type commander tasks as well as its third role as the chief executive officer of the Naval NETWAR/FORCEnet Enterprise.

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NETWARCOM

Naval Network Warfare Command's Mission

Naval Network Warfare Command's mission is to execute tactical-level command and control of Navy Networks and to leverage Joint Space capabilities for Navy and Joint Operations.

Operate the Navy's networks to achieve effective command and control through optimal alignment, common architecture, mature processes and functions, and standard terminology.

Enhance network security posture and improves IT services through standardized enterprise-level management, network information assurance compliance, enterprise management, and root cause and trend analysis.

Deliver enhanced space products to operating forces by leveraging DoD, National, commercial and international space capabilities and serves as the Navy's commercial satellite operations manager.


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U.S. Fleet Cyber Command U.S. TENTH FLEET




NATAMS PAC
NCTAMS PAC
Naval Computer and Telecommunications Area Master Station Pacific
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An artist's rendering of the Advanced Extremely High Frequency satellite. AEHF-1 launched Aug. 14, 2010, and reached its operational geosynchronous earth orbit Oct. 24, 2011. Image by the Space and Missile Systems Center (courtesy of the 50th Space Wing public website)


Defense.gov News Article: Stratcom, DoD Sign Space Operations Agreement With Allies

By Cheryl Pellerin
DoD News, Defense Media Activity
WASHINGTON, Sept. 23, 2014


Officials from the Defense Department, U.S. Strategic Command and three allied nations signed a memorandum of understanding yesterday on combined space operations to strengthen deterrence, enhance resilience and optimize resources.

At a meeting in Ottawa, Canada, officials from DoD, Stratcom, Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom signed the Combined Space Operations, or CSpO, Initiative memorandum of understanding.

The initiative will give participating nations an understanding of the current and future space environment, an awareness of space capability to support global operations and military-to-military relationships to address challenges and ensure the peaceful use of space, DoD officials said.


Operations focus areas
Focus areas for combined space operations include space situational awareness, force support, launch and reentry assessment and contingency operations.

"As space becomes more congested and contested, it is imperative that we work together to ensure we preserve access," Stratcom Commander Navy Adm. Cecil D. Haney said in a statement.

"CSpO agreements afford participating nations an understanding of the current and future space environment, an awareness of space capability to support global operations, and a military-to-military relationship to address challenges," the admiral said, adding that the agreements stress the overarching need to act responsibly in and maintain the peaceful use of space.


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Quote from: thorfourwinds on November 08, 2014, 01:44:25 AM
We didn't see this in Zorgon's Naval Space Command, so we will trace the origin of the present-day Combined Space Operations Initiative.


Most likely because, as was pointed out to me recently by 21SOPS, Zorgon is sorely out of date   :P

What about THESE guys?  I bet they know the NAMES of those ships Gary saw :P


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What about this one?  ;)



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