Dumb Old Lady vs. Ancient Aliens Debunked

[undo11]

Hey PRC.  I wrote a thread on ATS I wanted to share with you.  Hope you like it.  I'm trying to get it enough air time that it'll draw the attention of Mr. White and Dr. Heiser, the guys who made the video, ANCIENT ALIENS DEBUNKED.
log in there if you can, and star and flag that bad boy. ..that is, if you agree with my premise.  So far it's on the front page of ATS, just need to get it closer to the top of the page.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread906276/pg1

[petrus4]

I thought AADB was ok, until I saw this movie:-



Then I realised that, like most debunking, putting it bluntly, it's just a case of materialistic atheists shooting their mouths off about things that they really don't have a clue about at all.

I think the Freemasons do have antigravity technology, which they've preserved from the ancient Egyptians.  There's a big war memorial in Melbourne, called the Shrine of Remembrance, which AFAIK the Masons built.  There is no way known that any crane or anything else mainstream science has, could have moved stone blocks that large today, let alone back when it was built.

So no, it's not aliens, but it's not mundane technology like AADB claims at all.  Maybe some of the stuff the Egyptians knew, got sent to them by an ET group via channelling; but then again, everything the old rishis in Hinduism's history ever knew about, they got from meditating themselves.  I reckon the Egyptians were just really effective meditators, and they got everything they knew from that.

[Littleenki]

Undo, on the attack! 
Go get 'em sister!

Ill wait for updates as I personally dont care to go to that other place I dont like so many pop-ups, spyware, and ads. Also, I  wont visit sites which look like a cross between a commercial and a boringly unartistic body of text. Onward though....

White is a first class skeptical debunker, who uses literary sleight of hand and wordsmithery to achieve a platform for his desires to expose things as false, but as youve shown, a perceptive viewer can expose a great deal od douchebaggery in his movie.

He also approaches it with the mindset of a fundamental Christian, which no offense to that group has absolutely no place being in the alternative science scene, even to debunk it..their agenda is as clear as a bottle of cheap gin and about as valuable to me.

As for one place in particular Im quite knowlegable about beyond the typical person..or at least Ive spent a lot of time studying it....Puma Punku.

I especially like the zeroing in on Puma Punku, as it was his grail of sorts to show that Giorgio was a "liar" and red sandstone isnt so hard.

Poor Giorgio, his hair mustve fell a foot or two when he watched this...nah..he told me it was something he expects from all angles in the work he does, and it happens every day, just not in a slickly financed video.

Giorgio, along with the rest of the cast, has actually been there and experienced PP numerous times, he has first hand knowledge of the effort it took to construct something like PP.

I doubt Mr White has ever even come within a hundred miles of any of those Pre Inca sites.....so he is a parrot like the rest of his henchmen. Repeating what he has been told.

Although AA does bend the truth a bit to make its segments flow and fit together as well as those H Blocks do, they do a fantastic job of presenting somewhat factual evidence about the sites and technological requirements involved there.

Puma Punku has been taken apart by locals for centuries and the various parts used for numerous construction projects around the region, and they do this why? Because current technology cant make stones that large, perfect, and accurate, without extreme investment.

So with 5 percent of a veritable treasure trove of human and perhaps, alien, history, Puma Punku is a shell of its former self. Where would this argument be if it were intact and the other 95 percent still in place? Yep, a much different set of viewpoints would materialize for sure!

Anyone who goes there will see for themselves it was no minor feat of engineering, and that yes, the site is a completely different style than anything at Tiwanaku or Cusco, Ollantaytambo or any of the various sites within 50 miles of it.

It was anomalous when they built Cusco and Tiwanaku to those builders, as it is to us today.

Using Diorite and andecite is not an easy task for modern stone workers either. It might be red sandstone, but those cuts are so precise they would be difficult for ancient stone workers to achieve, even with modern tools and drills.

My personal opinion is that it existed when the Incas and Pre Incas decided to start building their monumental works there, and either the Pre Incas successfully battled the occupants of Puma Punku for supremacy in that region, or it was already abandoned.

For the best info on the Peruvian sites, check this youtube channel from an acquaintance of mine named Brien Foerster..hes a well versed and clear headed researcher who has made his life's work in the area.

http://www.youtube.com/user/brienfoerster?feature=watch




Then read this, an article from another person I sometimes correspond with, Philip Coppens.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/aaq_art5.html

Both of these guys are on our side Undo...great workers in the search for the truth instead of reasons to follow the mainstream sheep which seem to want to hide this knowledge from the world.

Great workers..... like yourself!

Cheers!

[burntheships]

Undo,

Excellent, your brilliant mind shows clear!

I am so thankful for your work, in the stargate thread, and now
this! You have really helped me to understand the world in an entirely
new way...

[undo11]

Pet

Interesting I keep forgetting about the masons!  Wow, they even had masons in south america, all those millenia ago.

LE

Woot.  Nice vid!  Can you send Giorgio a link to my thread on ATS, maybe?   I think i have vindicated some of their points.   I am not prepared to debate the pyramid information or the ancient nuke concept.   The pyramid because there is so much information and thus too many different possible answers and the nuke because there's not enough data to look at.

Anyway thanks for the data.

BTF

thanks *hugs*

[Littleenki]

Link sent Undo..hes real secretive so he might not contact you, but rest assured he will check it out!


It is a worthy cause to reveal the truth in these matters and the people responsible for trying to keep it hidden!

Cheers!
Le

[undo11]

Link sent Undo..hes real secretive so he might not contact you, but rest assured he will check it out!


It is a worthy cause to reveal the truth in these matters and the people responsible for trying to keep it hidden!

Cheers!
Le

what caused this entire thing was, i listen to a christian radio show every so often, that's normally nice, interesting and respectful.  the last time i listened, chris white was being interviewed. they started making fun of giorgio and for some reason, that just irked me.  then i noticed some of his rationale was missing stuff.  i didn't know right off the bat, about his puma punku information having errors, but i did note the mahabharata references and
ezekiel 1 info, and anunnaki translation seemed
wrong.  so i went and watched the video. 

big mistake. they should refrain from making fun of a nice person like giorgio. he's a happy, interesting person, who really enjoys studying and researching. i realize people get irritated about his hair. his hair is great.  for the same reason i get irritated with people picking on christians, i get irritated with christians picking on other people, especially just because they have a difference of opinion.  his subject matter is what you find fault with, not his freckles or teeth or something.  sigh.

[ArMaP]

I think the Freemasons do have antigravity technology, which they've preserved from the ancient Egyptians.  There's a big war memorial in Melbourne, called the Shrine of Remembrance, which AFAIK the Masons built.  There is no way known that any crane or anything else mainstream science has, could have moved stone blocks that large today, let alone back when it was built.

Do you mean that nobody knows how the Shrine of Remembrance was built? In 1927? 

Or am I misunderstanding your words? 

[undo11]

anyway, advertising the thread again, cause i wanna get that baby to the top of the ats front page. it's on the front page, but it's not up high enough to get the real big google listing i'm after. star and flag it, if you can and agree with it, oh and post in it too, while you're at it, and say howdy

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread906276/pg1

[petrus4]

Do you mean that nobody knows how the Shrine of Remembrance was built? In 1927? 

Or am I misunderstanding your words? 

I'm saying that there might be room for more than one interpretation; just like there was at Coral Castle.

[undo11]

I'm saying that there might be room for more than one interpretation; just like there was at Coral Castle.

i was studying puma punku listings in google and came upon a forum where they were discussing how the stones in other places in peru and bolivia may also have been made .  one guy listed a reference from some famous explorer who had listed in his diary or something, a curious thing that birds were doing. they were bringing a leaf of some kind to sheer cliff faces, rubbing it around in a circle. dropping it, getting another leaf of same kind, repeating the processing and then gripping the cliff like a wood pecker, pecking a hole in the cliff face, and then making their nests in the cliff face. he saw this happen multiple times. 

so a theory launched from there, that some plant had leaves that changed the solidity of rock and that maybe the inca learned that technique from the birds, thereby explaining how they managed to get rocks to become sorta like play doh.  was an interesting theory till a chemist showed up and asked why the leaf didn't change the hardness of the bird's beak if it could change rock and the topic went downhill from there lol

[Lunica]

howdy

great job.

[undo11]

howdy

great job.

yo and thanks! 
i responded over yonder

[petrus4]

As I suspected, there is a long article here about the level of Masonic association with the Shrine of Remembrance, including mention that Lord Somers, the Governor of Victoria at the time, was also the 12th Grand Master (1927-1932) of the United Grand Lodge Victoria.  That article also lists the names of the Shrine's architects.  It does not specifically name them as Masons; but as far as I am concerned, it does not need to.

To bring this back to relevance to your thread, Undo; no, I don't think there were Masons at the time of Puma Punku necessarily, or probably not as they exist today.  The central point, however, is that I think there is a particular technology that enables its' users to nullify gravity within a localised area, which thus prevents the huge weight of the stone being used in the construction from being a problem.  As I've already mentioned, I don't believe that this tech was necessarily ET in origin; it's entirely possible that humans could have received it via revelation.  I believe the Egyptians used this to build the largest pyramids, and I also think the Masons have managed to preserve knowledge of the technique, and that they occasionally still use it (under cover of great secrecy, mind you, as did Ed Leedskalnin at Coral Castle) to construct modern stone buildings.

The other thing about this technology, is that apparently it required knowledge of the ley lines, or energy lines of the planet in order to work.  Supposedly it used the intersection between two or more of them as a power source.

Leedskalnin and the Masons both buried their descriptions of the technology in plain sight.  I am inclined to believe, however, that the extensive mention of the prime numbers and such, is actually more a form of cryptography, which utilises the hermetic principle of Correspondence, as I wrote about here, as a cypher.  The Kybalion refers to its' teachings as a "Master Key," and apparently this is true on a quite literal basis.

[Pimander]

I am fairly certain that "The Masons" do not have anti-gravity technology.  However, they do have a levitation technology.  One of the technological "secrets" regarding this, which "The Masons" are in possession of, is likely that of Sonic Levitation.

I am not a Mason, although I do enjoy a good dinner now and then.  I know this because certain groups, one of which I have been associated with do possess the secret of Sonic Levitation.  Considering that it is likely that these groups inherited knowledge from the same sources as Freemasonry, I imagine some Masons are also aware of this knowledge.





The take home message of this post is that it is NOT anti-gravity which is being kept secret.