Connecticut shooting and gun control debate

[Pimander]

Are you just ignoring my point on purpose or just don't understand it?

[sky otter]

P

we all get YOUR point
but the world is about to go belly up so no one wants to fight with you..

peace brother...

[Pimander]

The Soviet Union lost in Afghanistan because of an armed populace.  The US was driven back in Somalia (Bush Sr.) because of an armed populace.

And nobody would want to live in Afghanistan (people armed by USA when Soviet) or Somalia.  They are not nice places.

[Pimander]

peace brother...

Peace to you all.  I won't be shooting anyone.

There is a difference between a debate and a fight.  I enjoy debates but I don't enjoy shoot outs.

[Eighthman]

Oh, and please allow me to rant a bit about a gun control argument that seems to border on insanity.

Guns don't stop our current tyranny.

There are highly educated people currently repeating this argument in the mass media.  Do any of them really think about what they're saying?

OK, let's just say that my .22 rifle isn't effective against the US becoming a fascist, police state.  Does anyone pause after saying that and think,  "Hey, maybe we need to be emotionally aroused and highly upset by the fact that we are losing our freedom, for ourselves and our children, more than a single mass murder.  Yes, I said More Than A Single Mass Murder, horrid as that may sound.  What kind of a country were these innocent children destined to grow up into?

How does someone seriously consider the possibility of a bleak, dictatorial future and then just conclude, "Well, guns wouldn't help  - Yup, it's hopeless, folks. Nothing we can do.  Can't shoot the bankers so let's surrender our guns".  The sheer ease of saying this appalls me.

Where is the horror, the revulsion, the shock, or the disgust over the consistent destruction of the Bill Of Rights ?  How can people like Michael Moore scream for strict gun control AFTER exposing deep government evil such as 9/11?  Really? 

Can anyone understand that freedom is a greater priority than welfare, unemployment or anything else?


Why can't I find any pundit who will say, "You want gun control?  Give us a government we can trust to respect our rights, our property, our privacy FIRST !" 

[Pimander]

You are not any more free than we are in the UK.  You are just programmed to believe that every maniac or otherwise having a gun makes you more free.  In actual fact it just means you are more likely to be shot be shot every time a person loses it.

That is why the situation is the same regarding freedom in the UK as the USA.  The difference is we are less likely to get killed by a gun. Open your eyes.

[robomont]

@eightman,speak the gospel brother.
civil war is about to break out and they want our guns.i would lol if it were funny.

[ArMaP]

Can anyone understand that freedom is a greater priority than welfare, unemployment or anything else?

Can anyone understand that freedom based on being stronger is not really freedom?

Freedom is not just for those with guns, and while some of those with guns could help other get their freedoms other people with guns could use them to get their own version of "freedoms", a version in which other people's freedoms were not allowed.

To be really free we need to have a mind that is free from prejudice and from arrogance, that's the only way to allow all people to be equally free, regardless of their age, sex, religion, whatever, and that's not something you achieve with guns, it's something that can only be achieved with knowledge.

Which one do you think the government fears the most: people with guns or people with knowledge?

Give us a government we can trust to respect our rights, our property, our privacy FIRST !"

Government is not something that is handed to you, government, in a democracy, is chosen by the people (both with and without guns), if the system doesn't work any more, then change the system by showing to all the people that it doesn't work any longer and try to find solutions for that problem.

If you want to be able to defend your home and family with guns from any attack, why don't you want to defend your home and family by spreading and using the knowledge about things (politically) work and how to change it?

Guns are not the only weapons, and are not even the most efficient.

[Pimander]

Which one do you think the government fears the most: people with guns or people with knowledge?

Having guns is not a threat to a government in the first place.  Having knowledge is a threat to bad government.

Government is not something that is handed to you, government, in a democracy, is chosen by the people (both with and without guns), if the system doesn't work any more, then change the system by showing to all the people that it doesn't work any longer and try to find solutions for that problem.

Like trying to get political power.  If you believe in democracy and live in one, it is possible without guns.

If you want to be able to defend your home and family with guns from any attack, why don't you want to defend your home and family by spreading and using the knowledge about things (politically) work and how to change it?

As opposed to saying, we have a gun so we are "free".

Guns are not the only weapons, and are not even the most efficient.

One example of a more powerful weapon is propaganda.

If I spread propaganda that you are free if I let you have guns then you think you are free.  In the meantime, I set up companies and banks that are not even based in your country and siphon off your wealth.  Who wins?



Shall we start our run for office now ArMaP?  ArMaP for President.  I'll be your head of secret intelligence and spread propaganda.

[robomont]

our country is full of morons voting idiots into office .the morons are controlled by the msm.
the msm is controlled by the billionaires.
dont be a yesman for the billionaires.
because then your just kissing royal arse.

[Pimander]

because then your just kissing royal arse.

No, that's the Americans.

Queen's popularity sky-high in America on eve of Diamond Jubilee

As Britain prepares to celebrate Queen Elizabeth II's 60th year on the throne, the sovereign's popularity in the United States is at a 15-year high -- 82% of Americans say they have a favorable opinion of the queen in a CNN/ORC poll released Friday.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/01/world/europe/queen-popular-in-us/index.html

In the UK, the Royal family have no real political power.  They are seen by many as being inconveniently expensive.  However, compared to the President the Royal Family are a bargain.

Obama family 'costs taxpayers $1.4BILLION per year' (that's 20 times more expensive than British Royal Family)

Politicians looking for savings to deal with the national debt crisis should perhaps start by abolishing the President.  Barack Obama and his family cost the taxpayer $1.4billion per year, according to a recently published book.



By contrast, the British Royal Family costs less than $60million each year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210323/Obama-family-costs-taxpayers-1-4BILLION-year.html

Me, I say scrap the Royal Family.  I just wish that Americans would stop kissing their asses.

[Pimander]

The Kinder Surprise Egg is banned in the USA as it may be harmful to children.  Oh the irony. 

[Somamech]

Huh?

Kinder Suprise banned in the US?

I don't live in the US or check out kinder surprise but all the same I would love to hear if anyone in States has had kinder suprise?

[petrus4]

Me, I say scrap the Royal Family.  I just wish that Americans would stop kissing their asses.

Zorgon may find it surprising that I would say this, but kings can still be useful.  I just wish that the Windsors had devoted a little more effort to acting like one.  I remember the rumours circulating after Diana's death, that the Duke of Edinburgh had supposedly had her assassinated, because her own level of charitable activity was making the rest of the family look bad.  I do not have anywhere near as negative an opinion of the royal family as most conspiracists, but Elizabeth has been largely a caretaker monarch.

[08rubicon]

   There has not been a confirmed terrorist attack in
the U.S sinse 9/11/01..Not even the fort hood shooting
was terrorism, just 'work place violence'..Has anyone
on this forum considered that this school shooting may
have been an Islamic terrorist attack, and Lanza just a
cover up action ?