Connecticut shooting and gun control debate

[sky otter]

pimander..if you lived here your entire life you may have a different take on it..just sayin


today a school district about an hour from here in Butler, Pa. (if you want to look it up)
has gun carying security in all of the schools..
this was in the works to be voted on and was going to be done..last friday's tragedy
moved it up

and the part that made me feel better was that the men carrying the guns are all retired
state police...who would only draw a gun as a last resort
they are not hot head vigilantes but mature humans with years of experience

http://www.officer.com/news/10843509/western-pennsylvania-school-districts-arm-guards

[Pimander]

Ok then, the solution to too many people getting shot is obvious.  We need more guns.  Everyone should have them, despite the fact that many people do not have the self control that should be required.

More guns is the solution to too many shootings.  How could I be so stupid? 

[sky otter]

i wasn't callin you stupid or your idea stupid
only saying that if you had lived here your entire life your view point may have been different than it is

i don't believe any one is stupid

and i didn't say  that this was the right or wrong thing..
only that it is what has been done

i don't think i stated any opinion..

[Pimander]

Sorry Sky, I was being facetious.

[sky otter]

s' ok...just didn't want you to think i was calling you stupid

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

You'll never get it will you?  You are far MORE LIKELY to be murdered in your country because of your gun laws. So are children who do not have the right to own guns.

We have few guns and few murders.  But don't worry, I know you will not grasp the fact that the solution to people being shot is NOT more guns.

I just couldn't resist.

Pim my friend you really, really don't know what you're talking about.

When someone is known to be armed and defended those that perpetrate these atrocities don't bother. Why do you think they always, always attack the defenseless?

They never, never try against the armed. That's a fact!!!!!!!

Now that's it for me....

[Pimander]

My last word on this.

I knew you couldn't resist.

I just couldn't resist.

Pim my friend you really, really don't know what you're talking about.

Oh yes I do.

When someone is known to be armed and defended those that perpetrate these atrocities don't bother. Why do you think they always, always attack the defenseless?

They never, never try against the armed. That's a fact!!!!!!!

That does not change the inescapable facts that you have chosen to ignore.  That there are few guns and few shootings in certain countries similar to the USA.  There are lots of homicides, mostly with guns in the USA BECAUSE guns are widely available.

More guns are not the solution to shootings.  But I don't expect many Americans to understand why murder is so common in their country.

Now that's it for me....

That remains to be seen.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

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[spacemaverick]

I am retired corrections and law enforcement here in the states.  I have dealt with the criminal element and in very very few cases reformed criminals (those who don't do the crimes anymore) and one of the things I have learned in 20 years is the criminal that uses a gun fears an armed citizen the most.  The only time they don't is if they are more heavily armed.  I am now in armed security (having retired from Law Enforcement) and now work in Hotels and Apt. complexes.  The noncriminal element of society for the most part is glad to have armed security around.  A good number of us have been through intensive training when we were in our various police departments, prisons and jails.  I would say in the past 20 years things have gotten to the point where the younger thugs just don't care who they shoot but they do shy away from those who have the training.  I worked with criminals for years and a good deal of them recognize me and my partners when in our security uniform  Word gets around.  One apartment complex we are in, most of the armed drug dealers left because of our connections to law enforcement.  There are times in our county that armed citizens have actually thwarted crimes and in a few incidents had to protect themselves, their property or others.  This has been welcomed.  You will always have some (but very very few) that go beyond what is allowed.  To obtain a concealed weapons permit in my state, you have to go through classes, fingerprints and background check, prove via certificate that you have been trained (vets can produce DD214 discharge papers - honorable dishcharge as training verification, pay some fees and then get your concealed carry license.  As a security officer I have to have a Security license,  A state firearms license and qualify on my gun every 2 years.  Our county has had 34 deaths this year because criminals attacked people who were not armed.  1 was brazen enough to kill one of our deputies.  Some of our schools have Armed School Resource Officers (Police fully equipped) in the school.  I can only tell you from a law enforcement point of view that I welcome a knowledgeable and trained citizens help when I can get it.  I would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

[robomont]

pimander,what does your country do with the mentally ill ?
what do you do if russia was to invade your country for its resources?

[Pimander]

pimander,what does your country do with the mentally ill ?

Well we don't shoot them.

what do you do if russia was to invade your country for its resources?

Wait for our nuclear submarines to knock out Russian cities and let the military deal with it.

[Phedre]

Clackamas Mall Shooter Faced Man With Conceled Weapon

http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

This may not be the place to put this. But is part of the Topic. Also , there is a chance not many will ever know.

[robomont]

how do keep your government from turning you into a slave?

[Pimander]

how do keep your government from turning you into a slave?

People are not slaves to their governments in the West.  They are slaves to global capital which is independent of national government.  Furthermore, guns have made no difference, otherwise the situation in the USA would be different to the UK and it is not.

[Eighthman]

The Soviet Union lost in Afghanistan because of an armed populace.  The US was driven back in Somalia (Bush Sr.) because of an armed populace.

The US has lost in Afghanistan because of an armed populace.  Unfortunately, being armed doesn't eliminate the corrupt and and evil Cabal.  They're too big for that.  However......

The Cabal are blocked at the local level by firearms.  Yes, they can screw up your life and mortgage and your job but they have one final obstacle to eliminate: an armed populace.  Meanwhile, they set up drones in the US, they take away the Bill of Rights, bit by bit, and spy on everyone.