new sandyhook info

[spacemaverick]

http://rt.com/shows/documentary/gun-control-school-shooting/

"The Newtown, Connecticut school shooting has triggered a new debate about gun control in the United States. At the same time, defenders of the Second Amendment stand behind their Constitutional right to gun ownership. How can the government control a feature of American life that has, historically, kept that very government in check? And what lessons can be learned to prevent future tragedies from happening?"

From Russia Today in English (Video)  Another view.

Deals with it from Gun Control standpoint.  Not new info really.

[ArMaP]

Yes, there are many inconsistencies in all this, no need to look for photoshopped photos were there aren't any.

[spacemaverick]

Sandy Hook: Shots Fired After Adam Lanza Pronounced Dead – Video

[Pimander]

Its simple guys.  People were shot because other people, who were not that nice, owned guns and decided to kill other people.  Twenty odd pages in I hope you understand at least that pure as the snow is white truth.

[Amaterasu]

Its simple guys.  People were shot because other people, who were not that nice, owned guns and decided to kill other people.  Twenty odd pages in I hope you understand at least that pure as the snow is white truth.

What proof is there that anyOne was shot...?  No vid, no pics, no open caskets, fake pic in at least one case (image taken from a Flickr account as representing a vic), conflicting reports between coroner and others about weapon wounds, no families up in arms about refusal to be allowed to see dead child (in 20 families, I would expect ONE family to be STINKING mad that They could not see Their child's body), so...

NO proof anyOne died.

[burntheships]

other people, who were not that nice, owned guns and decided to kill other people. 

The official story is there was 1 shooter, Adam Lanza.

Gun ownership is not the reason people kill.

[Amaterasu]

Exactly, BTS.  The fact that One owns a gun does NOT make One a killer.  The fact that One is PRESUMED not to be armed DOES make One more susceptible to being a victim of crime (and maybe even killed...with gun or otherwise).

[burntheships]

Amy,

Yes, right on...
The right to bear arms...
Self defense, in season hunting, and as the fathers so
framed it...and even Iced T saith... The Last Form Of Defense Against Tyranny.

Of course, the founding fathers would be terrorists of this day.

[Pimander]

Gun ownership is not the reason people kill.

Perhaps not.  But you can't shoot someone without guns (or arrows) very easily. 

[Pimander]

What proof is there that anyOne was shot...?

No idea.  However, it happens so often in America that it surprises me that anyone is still shocked.

[burntheships]

Perhaps not.  But you can't shoot someone without guns (or arrows) very easily. 

Sure, and you cant hit people on the head with hammers
without hammers, cant stab people without knives etc.

The key here is people, not the weapons, come on Pim,
you know this! 

[zorgon]

However, it happens so often in America that it surprises me that anyone is still shocked.

It's not the shooting that shocks people (beyond those in the local area naturally) Its the possibility that it was staged that has people up in arms.

And a staged event would happen with or without gun control

Now ya know we love ya BUT...

I understand YOUR side of the Pond has extremely STRICT gun control already yes?  If that is true, and you think that helps, maybe you could explain these cases? Because I am confused...

The Hungerford massacre occurred in Hungerford, Berkshire, England, on 19 August 1987. The gunman, 27-year-old Michael Robert Ryan (b. 18 May 1960), armed with two semi-automatic rifles and a handgun, shot and killed sixteen people including his mother, and wounded fifteen others, then fatally shot himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre

The Dunblane school massacre occurred at Dunblane Primary School in the Scottish town of Dunblane on 13 March 1996. The gunman, 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton (b. 10 May 1952), entered the school armed with four handguns, shooting and killing sixteen children and one adult before committing suicide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

The Monkseaton shootings occurred on 30 April 1989 in Monkseaton, North Tyneside when Robert Sartin killed one man and left fourteen other people injured during a twenty-minute shooting spree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkseaton_shootings

The Cumbria shootings was a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings

So your little Island that would fit inside most of our states seems to have a very high percentage of mass shootings as well, yet you have almost impossible gun regulations especially on hand guns... yet it seems the psychos have no problem getting them to do the deeds

March 2013 News UK


Semi-automatic handguns recovered in a Trident operation in south London in 2004. Photograph: Kirsty Wigglesworth/PA Archive/Press Association
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/14/operation-trident-effectively-over-murder

A coroner has called for radical overhaul of gun licensing at the conclusion of an inquest into a taxi driver who shot dead three members of his family before killing himself.

Andrew Tweddle described the current system as flawed, adding that it was fortuitous there had not been more incidents like the one in Horden, near Peterlee, County Durham, on New Year's Day 2012.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/mar/08/peterlee-shooting-coroner-gun-licensing

A retired police inspector has been found shot dead alongside his female partner at his Wiltshire home. Neighbours alerted police after hearing gunshots, and two bodies were discovered inside the porch of the terraced property in Devizes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/03/police-officer-shot-devizes


Teenager dies in London street shooting
The Guardian, Sunday 17 February 2013 04.19 EST   
Police hunt two suspects after 19-year-old dies and another man injured after being gunned down in Clapton, east London
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/17/teenager-dies-london-shooting

Source
Gun crime + UK news
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gun-crime+uk/uk


And then THIS


Briton arrested over school shooting threats on Facebook
Schools in Tennessee strengthen security after man from South Shields allegedly threatens to kill 200 people
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/09/briton-school-shooting-threats-facebook

[ArMaP]

Sandy Hook: Shots Fired After Adam Lanza Pronounced Dead – Video

I don't get it, how does that show that the shots were fired after he was pronounced dead?

PS: there probably is a good explanation for what I asked, I'm not that well informed about this case timeline.

[ArMaP]

... no families up in arms about refusal to be allowed to see dead child (in 20 families, I would expect ONE family to be STINKING mad that They could not see Their child's body), so...

Were the families not allowed to view the children or was it their choice?

[ArMaP]

...and even Iced T saith... The Last Form Of Defense Against Tyranny.

Yeah, right.

Ignorant people with guns are useful to tyrannies, informed people, with or without guns, are the worst enemy of a tyranny.

Of course, the founding fathers would be terrorists of this day.

That's something I always find funny, people (from the US) speak of those "founding fathers" (I liked that name) as if they were perfect, incapable of being wrong, able to know how things would be 200 years from their time.