My stance on guns

[zorgon]

Teaching your kids right.... UK imitation Gun Toys


A selection of imitation firearms seized during the summer holidays. Picture from police website

On this web page you will be able to watch a dramatic film produced by pupils from Bristol Fairfield High School about the dangers of possessing imitation guns and test your skills at spotting the difference between real and fake firearms.

http://www.aboutmyarea.co.uk/Somerset/Minehead/TA24/Archives/Archive-News/120739-An-imitation-gun-can-create-a-real-danger-for-your-children

[zorgon]

Channel gun run
Sun investigation: Secret tide of arms from France

See article for picture  They have a new copyright image blocker 
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4528145/Sun-investigation-into-the-secret-tide-of-guns-from-France.html
Spree ... Sun man Nick Francis with blank-firing and powder guns

BRITISH crooks are buying guns and other lethal weapons on day trips to France — then smuggling them back to the UK.

In a deadly and illegal version of the booze cruise to Calais made by honest Brits, gangs call it a "tools cruise".

Taking advantage of France's slack gun laws, criminals are paying less than £20 to make the short trip across the Channel.

Once there, they are free to buy replica blank firing guns which can be converted to shoot real bullets for as little as £50 by underworld armourers.

Even more alarmingly, anyone over the age of 18 is allowed to buy what are known as "black powder weapons" — guns which look like vintage muskets but fire heavy ball bearings using gun powder and are capable of killing.

They are being smuggled back to be used in gang feuds and assassinations on the streets of Britain's crime-plagued cities.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4528145/Sun-investigation-into-the-secret-tide-of-guns-from-France.html


Seems you need to clean up your own turf before ya come stomping on ours

[1Worldwatcher]

Wow Zorgon, seems as if this hit a few bad notes on the issues. It is exactly how I felt about the topic being discussed but didn't know how too say it, until I seen your posts...

Guns don't kill people, we know that. 

1WW

[rdunk]

Pimander said, "I don't think you are a real person, you are just a troll for the religious right.  Nobody could possibly just believe the complete opposite to the truth with such stunning consistency". 

One of the dumbest statements I have seen on this forum, and you are supposed to be an administrator.

If I was going to be a "troll", here, I first would have to learn just exactly what it took to be a "troll". Yes, I would/will always speak my Christian (not "religious") thoughts and beliefs, but my comments about Al Gore had absolutely nothing to do with "religious" anything.

And yes, my thoughts regarding my country of America are on the political right, as absolutely is the Constitution of this United States of America. And yes, it does absolutely support the right for the people to bear arms, as has been noted by the Supreme Court a number of times. The Constitution of the United States is the "People's right to carry (guns) permit"!

Pimander, are you actually out of high school yet - many of your comments would indicate possibly not!     

P.S. most "religious" comments are now regulated to be in the Religion cave (non-public forum board), so I do try to comply with Z's desires in that regard in the open forums!

[ArMaP]

Another thing I find "funny" in this gun situation is that many (if not most) handgun makers are from Europe (at least those that I know), and even when they have restrictive laws in their own countries they don't have a problem exporting them to the US.

[thorfourwinds]

[robomont]

i was at walmart today and the lady in sporting goods said they sell out of ar15 's within five minutes of them coming through the door.
they get three ,each shipment,first come ,first serve.
they had a sig saur assalt rifle on the shelf,i think that ones german made.

off topic ,i saw a new ar/ak model the other day.it was a hybrid.
it looked so badass.
forward assist of ar with the clip and round of a ak,bunch more stuff too.drooling man.
i could easily see this gun being used by some kinda world police.

[zorgon]

Another thing I find "funny" in this gun situation is that many (if not most) handgun makers are from Europe (at least those that I know), and even when they have restrictive laws in their own countries they don't have a problem exporting them to the US.

Very good point ArMap  its you dodgy Europeans that are cuasing all the stink   One of the most popular handguns here in the USA is the Italian made Baretta

[spacemaverick]

Pimander, at this point I am not happy about what you think of my country and do not care for your opinion about what you think of our politicians or leaders.  I don't think anyone has attacked what your country believes regarding guns.  It seems that the discussion keeps going around in circles.  We know your stance on guns and you know everyone elses.  So I simply would like to know why you persist in knocking my country and the opinion of it's citizens on here.  Just curious??  What does it gain?  A number of people in your country and in Australia have made videos for the people in our country advising us not to give up our guns.  We know what our rights are and a good number aren't going to let anyone take our arms.  I even met 2 fine people from the United Kingdom at a gas station here in Florida while I was in a police uniform and they told me about your laws regarding firearms.  I did not judge them but simply enlightened them to our laws and rights.  They were very nice people.  Having been in the military and law enforcement (31 years combined), I have no problem with people who legally possess, carry and use a firearm legally and properly.  Human nature being what it is (no matter where one lives) can be evil or good depending on whether the person feeds him or herself good or evil.  (Garbage in; garbage out).  I want that ability to defend my family and friends where we live.  The second thing is; when you look at the number of countries that have disarmed their citizens, you will notice that a large number of people have been terminated when a despot rose to power.  Look at the havoc brought upon Western powers and Russia by what is called a ragtag bunch in Afghanistan.  How long did the Russians survive there with their technology?  How long has NATO and Americans been there?  These ragtag "guerrillas" have kept us in battle for 12 years..  When someone says we cannot hold out against technology, I would beg to differ (As a former combat soldier).  All I would ask is for you to respect my country and not talk bad about it.  Thank you.

[robomont]

with all due respect sm,pimander should not have to respect the usa,im a citizen of the usa and dont respect her,why should a foreigner be required too?

i dont care much for pman ,but i respect his opinion.
full steam ahead pimander.

[spacemaverick]

Just my opinion.  Sometimes I get defensive about my country since I served my country for a number of years. (31 years between Army / Air Force and law enforcement) I served the people (my choice and my real intention).  Nothing personal to Pimander.  My country is the people.  Unfortunately the people are losing their way.

[robomont]

heck ,im a marine corp dropout and twenty years later i still get angry if i see a marine treated bad.
i guess some of the brainwashing stuck.

thirty years is a long time to stick to your beliefs.

no offence intended,but do you admit the military may have brainwashed the soldiers into a certain mindset that creates a cloud that blocks out the truth.

[spacemaverick]

Oh yeah.  Everyone has a different motivation for joining.  Some patriotic, some in need of a job and various other reasons.  Yes, some have been brainwashed if that's what you want to call it.  I admit to that.  I guess I have no problem with guns because I was taught as a child about guns and even fired guns under adult supervision.  The county I live in down here in Florida averages 23,000 arrests in a year.  We have gangs and especially in one area in particular.  I now worked for an armed security company and we helped the local police clean up the area.  We shot no one and no one shot us.  A good number of us were prior military or law enforcement or both.  Just about 1/2 mile South of where we worked was the worst area in the county.  More heavily armed than the area in which we worked.  The town in being taken back block by block with the help of citizens, armed security and law enforcement all working with one another.  We had 34 deaths in our county this past year.  Most by criminals who obtained their firearms illegally.  Brainwashing, persuasion or whatever you want to call it does exist within the military and many other government entities.  I took my oaths seriously as do many, many others.  Unfortunately some drink the Kool-Aid....

[Amaterasu]

... I have no problem with people who legally possess, carry and use a firearm legally and properly. 

Constitutionally speaking, ANY "law" that infringes on the right to bear arms is null and void - so... All Americans who possess and carry guns, in any fashion, are doing so legally.  Whether They are doing so "properly" may be disputed.

Of course, We have allowed Our right to be infringed in practice.  Sad but true.

[petrus4]

no offence intended,but do you admit the military may have brainwashed the soldiers into a certain mindset that creates a cloud that blocks out the truth.

I do.  I've seen it.

i dont care much for pman ,but i respect his opinion.
full steam ahead pimander.

I respect Pimander, which is why I've gone back and edited out a couple of comments I've made in recent replies, when I started to get a little heated.  I don't do that for a lot of people either, truth be told.

I also don't want to be too hard on him for expressing an opinion on this topic, which is essentially fear based.  I'm possibly going to have to have some more necrosis scraped off a leg wound that I've had for ages, tomorrow afternoon; and I'm seriously not looking forward to it.  I don't normally touch alcohol at all now, but I drank after the last time they did that.

So I do know what it is like to be afraid.  I've really been afraid for more or less my entire life.  I also know, as I've already mentioned however, that there comes a time when you have to stop running, and deal with a situation, fear or no.

I admit; in this thread I've been blowing my own horn way too much, and probably making myself sound like a real poseur in some respects.  There is a motive behind it, however; I want to try and infect Pimander with a little Orcish spirit, if I can.