My stance on guns

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," the group's top lobbyist, Wayne LaPierre, said at a Washington news conference.

Good point, and maybe the only acceptable one for everybody.
Yes, the media does this to our minds, & the minds of our kids.

I had a computer game where you scored 100 points for running down an old lady etc. At the time, i was a youngster & i thought it was great.
I still think it's great, but i recognise it's just a GAME & i would no way ever, in real life, even think of harming another person.

But in game-world you can kill to your heatrts consent

I always preferred games like Alien Species on the Amiga, where you wiped out aliens & helped human survivors escape, it was US against THEM.

But i've come to realise that there are many people out there who can't tell FACT from FICTION.
I have even myself experienced the most vivid dreams, i know that i'm perfectly capable of killing someone, gun or not..
But i have no REASON or WILL to kill anyone, much less out of fear of my life.
If someone was out to kill me, then i will kill them to protect myself, & those around me, be they strangers, they are all HUMANS.

I think that people have entirely forgotten what it is to be realy human, this is all part of the 'confusion' program we are living in these days....

Don't fall for it, be yourself..

[Pimander]

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," the group's top lobbyist, Wayne LaPierre, said at a Washington news conference.

Good point, and maybe the only acceptable one for everybody.
Yes, the media does this to our minds, & the minds of our kids.

So why are there more shootings in the USA that UK then?  There are 20 times as many guns per capita in the USA -  yet those 20 times as many guns still seem to allow more shootings rather than stop them.  Your logic falls at the first hurdle.

Like I keep saying... Do the math.

More guns are NOT the solution to too many people being shot.  Can that be any more obvious?

[petrus4]

Good point, and maybe the only acceptable one for everybody.
Yes, the media does this to our minds, & the minds of our kids.
So why are there more shootings in the USA that UK then?  There are 20 times as many guns per capita in the USA -  yet those 20 times as many guns still seem to allow more shootings rather than stop them.  Your logic falls at the first hurdle.

Like I keep saying... Do the math.

More guns are NOT the solution to too many people being shot.  Can that be any more obvious?

The problem is, Pimander; I know you've said that the American public did not employ said guns against the government after the illegitimate election of George W. Bush, and that it may not do so at any future point...but I think this is a question that needs to be asked.

If, even assuming only hypothetically, that a scenario involving concentration camps was to occur in America at some future time; then assuming that the public has been entirely (or at least partly) disarmed as a result of earlier laws, how would you propose that they prevent themselves from being forcibly dragged to these facilities for execution?

I ask because there is evidence that the construction of just such camps, has at least been on the backburner for quite some time now.  There was Operation Garden Plot in the mid 80s, which involved Executive Orders establishing the legal basis of this, and then during 2011 and 2012, we started seeing advertisements from contractors, seeking employees for the camps.

So if guns are either regulated or banned, either scenario meaning that there are ultimately less guns in people's hands, how do the people ultimately protect themselves from this situation, if it occurs?

[zorgon]

Considering the sheer number of people on this planet ... even one shooter a WEEK is such a small percentage of people to not even make statistics.

Yet that small percentage gets all the control freaks screaming CONTROL

Imagine if just 1% of the people in the world were killers....

Do the math

[Pimander]

The problem is, Pimander; I know you've said that the American public did not employ said guns against the government after the illegitimate election of George W. Bush, and that it may not do so at any future point...but I think this is a question that needs to be asked.

Precisely.  They didn't use them to defend democracy?  Why?  Cos it is the right wing maroons - who would prefer to have a non-elected republican president than an elected democrat one - who own most of the guns.

We believe in our freedom.  We believe in democracy.  Unless it means having someone who isn't right wing in power.


As for guns being a defence against the government, the whole argument is utter nonsense these days.

I agree that when the American Constitution and Bill or Rights were drawn up that guns were a very useful deterrent against tyrannical government.  But the government Army is not a bunch or rifleman, cavalry and a few artillery now.

Trying to fight the military with guns today would be like taking a pea shooter to a tank or a bow and arrow to an Apache Helicopter Gunship.  I would not recommend it.

Try removing the bastards from office using your democratic systems.  No waiting for abundance that they won't deliver.   No having a gun in the house so assuming you still have freedom.  If you don't trust them then kick them out with your votes.







"Shall I take out the F16 or the Apache, Dad?"  "I think you might have to wait until one of them are in range son!"  "But Daddy, Hellfire Missiles have a 5 mile range."  "Look son, while I have my gun, at least we are free.... I think."BOOM!


To defend yourself from tyranny takes one thing.  Political organisation.  Without it you are next to helpless.

[Amaterasu]

Good point, and maybe the only acceptable one for everybody.
Yes, the media does this to our minds, & the minds of our kids.
So why are there more shootings in the USA that UK then?  There are 20 times as many guns per capita in the USA -  yet those 20 times as many guns still seem to allow more shootings rather than stop them.  Your logic falls at the first hurdle.

Like I keep saying... Do the math.

More guns are NOT the solution to too many people being shot.  Can that be any more obvious?

And like I said, more gun control=more gun crime.  In the "wild west" where everyone was presumed to be armed crime rates were significantly lower than in equivalent (population, industry, economics) eastern towns with gun laws.  SIGNIFICANTLY.

[Amaterasu]

Considering the sheer number of people on this planet ... even one shooter a WEEK is such a small percentage of people to not even make statistics.

Yet that small percentage gets all the control freaks screaming CONTROL

Imagine if just 1% of the people in the world were killers....

Do the math

Exactly, z!

[Pimander]

And like I said, more gun control=more gun crime.

BS.  I simply will not allow that lie to go unchallenged.

There is a much higher rate of crime and especially murder in America than the UK and 20 times as many guns per capita.  If your theory were correct then there would be much less crime in the USA and there is not.  You are wrong.

Few guns=low gun crime.

No guns = NO GUN CRIME.

If you are collectively too slow to grasp that then I'm not surprised you had an unelected president with 20 times as many guns as us and thousands more homicides.

[Pimander]

Yet that small percentage gets all the control freaks screaming CONTROL

Control freaks are the exact kind of people who love guns.  Should go without saying.

Imagine if just 1% of the people in the world were killers....

Do the math

I have.  Imagine if the entire 1% had guns.

[Back]

I have to put my 2 cents worth on this post.

PIM
I dont know where you live but in the US there are so many guns.
If guns are outlawed only the Gov an criminals will have guns.

I would ask all of you here to look into what kind of perscription drugs that these young mass killers are on. I have. I think that I s part of the problem if not most.

After 20 years ago in the USMC I thought that I would not want to have anything to do with guns ever again.

Fast foreward
I now have a family
If some druged freek comes into my house with a gun they are going to be blowen out of my house.
Bless
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[Ellirium113]

If, even assuming only hypothetically, that a scenario involving concentration camps was to occur in America at some future time; then assuming that the public has been entirely (or at least partly) disarmed as a result of earlier laws, how would you propose that they prevent themselves from being forcibly dragged to these facilities for execution?

At that point being armed does NOT mean they will leave you alone. It means you are either going to give up your weapon or be killed. Thinking your gun can protect you from a tyrannical government only is logical if your in a cartoon. There definitely needs to be tighter regulation on who should be allowed to have a gun. My guess is that 75% of people are not disciplined enough or emotionally stable enough to be carrying a weapon around. Every single individual with a firearm is a potential psychopath that could snap anytime. 

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

At that point being armed does NOT mean they will leave you alone. It means you are either going to give up your weapon or be killed. Thinking your gun can protect you from a tyrannical government only is logical if your in a cartoon. There definitely needs to be tighter regulation on who should be allowed to have a gun. My guess is that 75% of people are not disciplined enough or emotionally stable enough to be carrying a weapon around. Every single individual with a firearm is a potential psychopath that could snap anytime.

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[Ellirium113]

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[Sgt.Rocknroll]

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[spacemaverick]

Okay, I must stick in my two cents.  I have just retired from 20 years in Law Enforcement and corrections.  Yes, I made it through!  I retired as a Lt. and have had to deal with criminals the entire 20 years.  They have their way of getting guns and it's not through a gunshop.  A lot of times you can buy them from another criminals, or they are stolen from someone.  I have seen criminals use machetes, knives and the younger thugs say if they want something, they are going to take it.  Some of the reformed thugs, (yes it does happen) have told me that the young ones do not care...I have the training to use my firearms and those who have concealed weapons permits go through training to know when and how to use the.  Our local Sheriff's Department from which I retired offer citizen defensive firearms courses.  Our murder rate in my county has been lower until this year.  This year most of the gunmen went after unarmed people or were dometic situations.  Some have used knives, some used machetes and some used guns.  In a knife fight someone is going to get cut.  Machetes are the same issue.  I now work armed security where I live and we helped clean up an apartment complex that had fallen to drug dealers.  The local police department helped outfit our group with vests.  We helped reclaim this piece of property for the tenants that just wanted to live in peace.  This was a low income area.  The dealers didn't mess with us because a few of us are retired law enforcement and recognized.  The criminals wanted no part of us.  So if your antigun, you are entitled to your opinion and good luck with that.  Me, I am going to defend my family against all enemies foreign or domestic.  That was my oath for the Army, the Air Force and my law enforcement and corrections career.  I may be retired but I still adhere to that oath.  Besides, I would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.  Thanks for your attention.