Real Suppression of Free Energy?

[Somamech]

U.S. sets steep final duties on Chinese solar panels

(Reuters) - The United States on Wednesday set steep final duties on billions of dollars of solar energy products from China, but turned down a request from lawmakers and U.S. manufacturers to expand the scope of its order.

Source:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/10/us-usa-china-solar-idUSBRE8991NR20121010

[Somamech]

The News goes a little further making a bit of Story!

Remember whilst reading this that Neither call each other out regarding the moon or what Buzz is doing in China 

[Somamech]

US self-harming tariffs on China solar panels

WASHINGTON -- American solar businesses may see cost double when they paid the Chinese factories, as US Commerce Department on Wednesday affirmed steep punitive tariffs on Chinese solar panels.

The department made a final determination that Chinese producers and exporters sold crystalline silicon photovoltaic cells, whether or not assembled into modules, in the US market at dumping margins from 18.32 to 249.96 percent, and received countervailable subsidies of 14.78 to 15.97 percent to manufacture these solar panels.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2012-10/11/content_15810593.htm

[Somamech]

US affirms punitive duties on China's solar cells

WASHINGTON -- US Commerce Department Wednesday announced its affirmative final determinations in antidumping duty and countervailing duty investigations on crystalline silicon photovoltaic cells from China, whether or not assembled into modules.

The department said Chinese producers and exporters sold solar cells in the US market at dumping margins ranging from 18.32 percent to 249.96 percent, and they received countervailable subsidies of 14.78 percent to 15.97 percent.

Source:


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2012-10/11/content_15809865.htm

[Pimander]

Hypocrisy.

When is a free market not free?  When its biggest beneficiary, USA, do not allow free trade.

Hypocrisy.

[Somamech]

SO hey whats going on Here ?

My old man's solar setup pumps back into the grid!  (its another whole story of how they try and sting ya on that one) but yeah he is providing power

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Hell, silicon valley traders have margins of 500%......

It is scandalous though, we could all have our appliances at much lower cost........

[Somamech]

Hypocrisy.

When is a free market not free?  When its biggest beneficiary, USA, do not allow free trade.

Hypocrisy.

Its crazy really.  Manufacturing in asia is what has driven prices down to some degree.  At times it annoys me but to place tarrifs on solar power when people can get it cheap is so blindingly absurd. 

[Somamech]

Hell, silicon valley traders have margins of 500%......

It is scandalous though, we could all have our appliances at much lower cost........

The company I work for presently work on 50%... which is pretty unheard of in most circles apart from the US.  Baffles me how much people are at times not saving money from prototyping in china compared to what they should be 

[Pimander]

but to place tarrifs on solar power when people can get it cheap is so blindingly absurd.

Not if you are a government in the pockets of big oil.

If the president does anything contrary to the interests of big oil he will be joining the dead Kennedys.  Ask George Bush Senior why that is.

[Somamech]

Mind you PWM and Pim.. A little birdy told me earlier in the year that a lot of TW companys setup solar shops... yet they were they were too silly to find markets

Will check that out when I'm over there in March which is a dead certa

[Pimander]

It's starting to look like black market for energy.

[Somamech]

It's starting to look like black market for energy.

Like I said mate, I will check it out... Solar Panels changes the game! 

A black market for some YES.. almost literally for those voting !

Almost beddy byes for me now mate.  (Wifey is great... but at time's she does have a point LOL)

The oz Green Party told people they would follow a ten year plan to work power out through normal means.  See it happen ?  Nope.  Not because of their Plan.... but its easier to charge me "my" 100% more for so called gold connection's (that is what the gov said)  than just provide proof.

I concur that the rapid increase in sparky is relevant to independence  

[sky otter]

hey energy isn't free and is never going to be free unless everyone has the same access
as long as there are haves and have nots..there is a profit to be made and folks willing to do whatever to make that profit

here's a little quote that sums up a lot - underline is mine

Gas producers clearly stand to benefit from export. One of the lesser known realities of the gas fields is that today's prices are not sustainable as they don't offer producers enough value to drill profitably. Even accounting for the cost of gas liquifaction and shipment, the spread between U.S. prices and global prices ensures them a better profit from export than they currently get at home.
http://theenergycollective.com/arnoharris/160796/export-natural-gas-accelerate-our-clean-energy-future


they have wells everywhere around here now and are still trying to put in more..and they are currently building a huge pipe line to connect with ports in philly and n.j.....

farms have been trashed due to the way they are changing laws about mineral rights
http://www.frackcheckwv.net/impacts/the-human-story/

they are even going so far as to say even if you own the mineral rights under your property
it only covers so many feet  down....below that they can do what they want

right now they are doing seismic surveys
http://www.beachapedia.org/Seismic_survey
by either setting off explosions or shaking the ground..even in towns
i'm curious to see what happens when they do this in the spring
because most of western pa. is honeycombed with old coal mines
and the shaking is sure to cause subsidance..watch for stories on that soon

ahh never mind

[starwarp2000]

Hypocrisy.

When is a free market not free?  When its biggest beneficiary, USA, do not allow free trade.

Hypocrisy.

This country isn't any better, Pim!
The CSIRO and Federal Police spent most of the 80's and 90's destroying all the independent Energy Researchers (Solar Cell and other). Now it seems that BHP and the CSIRO are the only players left.

Use Law enforcement to destroy your opposition and steal all their ideas!
Gee, that's a real free market!