TAP VS The Military Mind

[Amaterasu]

I understand you Amy, it's just that if someone (in a TAP society) was young, and in perfect health, decides to get him (or her) self killed in a duel, then they could at least do one last honourable thing, & donate organs to those of us that are very ill, after all, that very society has nurtured & fed them.
OK maybe not a restricion, but it should be encouraged, no?

Oh, I'd say encourage the hell out of it - but I'm guessing it won't be too much longer before We will have replacement organs made with Our own DNA and will not need to transplant...  Just sayin'.  [smile]

We are wandering a little off topic here.
Games wil be very important, they helped to keep Rome stable for decennia
OK so no more christians & lions (sad for both) but maybe the Duels could be attended? And stuff like the Cirque D'Soleil, which uses only (very talented) human performers, & no animals at all.

As animals are of Consciousness, any cruelty to one will earn pariah points for sure.  But as for what We choose to do - games of ANY sort, willingly entered into between consenting adults, are awesome and acceptable.

Wandering again, sorry

NP. [smile]

I think that while a reason for having a gun still exists, then we will still have guns.
They are after all just tools, like robots or cars. Cars kill more people than guns, i should think, so that's where we should be concentrating our efforts...

LIFE kills People...  Life is a risk, and to try and "pass laws" to keep Us safe from risk is futile and absurd.  We should learn from the mistakes Others make, teach Our children best practices to MINIMIZE risk, but once They are adults, risk is Their choice.

Personally, i can handle a gun, but i do not own one. I rely on my brain & my bare hands to get me out of a situation, and i always have a very large wrench in my toolbox should negotiations (or my car) break down

Let's see if he can draw & fire before he gets my size 32 angled wrench in the head

Good at wrench-throwing?  [grin]  I have no issues with guns and wish We all were presumed armed.  "Drills," hoaxes, psyops (like Aurora, Gifford, Sandy Hook, 9/11, etc.) aside, We Humans overall handle guns well.

So... I am totally unconcerned that Humans have guns.

[ArMaP]

I have no issues with guns and wish We all were presumed armed.  "Drills," hoaxes, psyops (like Aurora, Gifford, Sandy Hook, 9/11, etc.) aside, We Humans overall handle guns well.

I don't have any issues with guns, I would like to own some myself, but, even if I could, I know that I would be a more dangerous person because of that, as I know that I, sometimes, may get angry enough to stop thinking as I should.

Having seen someone killed with a shotgun in September, I didn't like what I saw and I could see how final something like that is, with no possibility of "taking it back" (it was not even possible to help the victim, he died in less than 5 minutes), so, even if I have that possibility, I don't think I will ever own a gun.

PS: the only time I tried to use a gun (a small shotgun owned by my uncle) I didn't have any problems using it and hitting the target.

[Amaterasu]

I don't have any issues with guns, I would like to own some myself, but, even if I could, I know that I would be a more dangerous person because of that, as I know that I, sometimes, may get angry enough to stop thinking as I should.

Having seen someone killed with a shotgun in September, I didn't like what I saw and I could see how final something like that is, with no possibility of "taking it back" (it was not even possible to help the victim, he died in less than 5 minutes), so, even if I have that possibility, I don't think I will ever own a gun.

PS: the only time I tried to use a gun (a small shotgun owned by my uncle) I didn't have any problems using it and hitting the target.

Heh.  No One HAS to own a gun - just that it would work better if We all were PRESUMED armed.  A higher degree of politeness emerges.

[Pimander]

I'd prefer it if I knew that people were being genuine when they are polite - not scared.

[ArMaP]

Heh.  No One HAS to own a gun - just that it would work better if We all were PRESUMED armed.  A higher degree of politeness emerges.

But it's a fake politeness, real politeness does not depend on the other person, it depends (or at least it should) on the one being polite.

That would be the same thing as being polite because the other person is richer or taller or whiter.

[Amaterasu]

I'd prefer it if I knew that people were being genuine when they are polite - not scared.

Not "scared," Pim.  Each respecting the Other, BOTH presumed armed.

[Amaterasu]

But it's a fake politeness, real politeness does not depend on the other person, it depends (or at least it should) on the one being polite.

That would be the same thing as being polite because the other person is richer or taller or whiter.

No.  It is mutual respect.  You both are taking an "OMG the OTHER guy is not armed and is just being polite because I am" approach.  And who CARES if it's real or fake as long as no One is KILLING the Other?

[ArMaP]

No.  It is mutual respect.  You both are taking an "OMG the OTHER guy is not armed and is just being polite because I am" approach.

It can only be respect if it is present regardless of being armed or not.

Don't you have respect for a snail, for example? Don't you have respect for plants? We should respect things for what they are, not for what they carry.

And who CARES if it's real or fake as long as no One is KILLING the Other?

I care, I would rather be killed than to be a two faced cheater that nobody could know if I was being honest in my respect or not.

PS: I have to had that I wasn't expecting something like this from you. 

[Pimander]

And who CARES if it's real or fake as long as no One is KILLING the Other?

I care.  I'd rather share the planet with people who do not need guns to show each other respect.

ArMaP, I fear you might be wasting your time.... I'm also shocked.

[zorgon]

PS: the only time I tried to use a gun (a small shotgun owned by my uncle) I didn't have any problems using it and hitting the target.

Wow ArMaP The hunter... who woulda guessed?




Hey I ordered one of these for you

[Littleenki]

The Marching Discipline is Shocking in this display..

Posture, and timing is terrible.

The Lower Leg should be vertical when the knee is raised and the toe pointing downward.   LOL.

Some are producing, what we refer to as "Platting".      The Alignment of the Legs cross over in the step as though they are on a "cat walk" !  LOL.

They look like they have been out on the plonk the night before.   

In the 1980's I was a Marching Instructor with my 1st wife.

Usually the Chinese put on a far better display than this...   

So Im not losing it, eh Matrix?
I thought it looked a bit weird...not that Im a marching instructor. just wrong for some reason...

Happy Holidays anyhow!LOL!
Dave

[Amaterasu]

It can only be respect if it is present regardless of being armed or not.

Don't you have respect for a snail, for example? Don't you have respect for plants? We should respect things for what they are, not for what they carry.
I care, I would rather be killed than to be a two faced cheater that nobody could know if I was being honest in my respect or not.

PS: I have to had that I wasn't expecting something like this from you. 

There's a difference between being "a two faced cheater that nobody could know if I was being honest in my respect or not" and encountering someOne and feigning politeness so as to ensure no weaponry is drawn.  Where do You get this hyperbolic image of something not connected?  We're not talking friends, here.  Friends usually don't worry about such things (and all the less so in TAP, where there is nothing to steal that One cannot have for free.

And when I say respect, I am thinking I am using it not as emotion-ladened as You are.  I'm talking the respect of strangers meeting.  Willing to give the Other politeness.  Not idolize Hume.

[Amaterasu]

I care.  I'd rather share the planet with people who do not need guns to show each other respect.

ArMaP, I fear you might be wasting your time.... I'm also shocked.

[sigh]  When You eliminate crime, that will be what You have.  Sadly, until We no longer need to account for energy, there will be crime.   And governments trying to tyrannize...  In TAP, there IS NO GOVERNMENT, so...  None to tyrannize.

[ArMaP]

There's a difference between being "a two faced cheater that nobody could know if I was being honest in my respect or not" and encountering someOne and feigning politeness so as to ensure no weaponry is drawn.

Not to me. To me, someone that lies is someone that cannot be trusted in what he/she says, someone that feigns emotions is someone that cannot be trusted when he/she displays some emotion.

I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing that I was a liar.

Where do You get this hyperbolic image of something not connected?  We're not talking friends, here.  Friends usually don't worry about such things (and all the less so in TAP, where there is nothing to steal that One cannot have for free.

Even in an imaginary, fairytale perfect TAP, people will be responsible for their own actions, and people should respect each other (or not) because of what they do and how they act, so a liar will still be a liar, a faker will still be a faker, and I cannot have full respect for people like that, so I cannot act like that.

And when I say respect, I am thinking I am using it not as emotion-ladened as You are.  I'm talking the respect of strangers meeting.  Willing to give the Other politeness.  Not idolize Hume.

Yes, respect of strangers meeting, but not because I am expecting the other person to carry a weapon, respect because, to me, a stranger starts out as being another person like me, with things that make them happy, sad, nervous, mad, calm, etc., so I begin by respecting their own personality so I will not affect them negatively with anything I may say or do.

In the same way I respect a snail that goes about it's business, trying to live it's live like all other living creatures, even if I don't know if a snail can be happy or sad, I do know that there's no reason for me to make it's live worse than it may be.

That's how I see respect.

[Pimander]

[sigh]  When You eliminate crime, that will be what You have.

I don't need to eliminate crime in order to know that the world is a better place with less shootings.