TAP VS The Military Mind

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Ah, who needs guns anyway?
Once they are out of ammo or start to rust, it will be back to sticks & stones

There are other ways of protecting yourself, than filling someone with lead.....

[petrus4]

But you haven't been able to show to what end they would stage something like that...

Its not accomplishing anything  so what reason would they have..?

They want to legally disarm the population if possible, so that they will have minimal difficulty/casualties when they activate the concentration camps.  Realistically, they have to know that they are not going to literally disarm the majority of the population, but outlawing the posession of guns could still make things a lot easier for them.  More importantly, it will cause gun advocates to become social outcasts, at least among those members of the population who value perceived governmental security over reason.

Pimander might say that the civilian population has no chance of successfully rebelling against the government, given their current weapons, and he's right.  However, said weapons do still have the potential to cause large scale loss of life among government forces.  The government wants to try to minimise said loss of life as much as possible.  That is what this is about.  It's not about the government needing to secure its' position in that sense, because it doesn't need to.  It is about the government reducing the level of damage that it might otherwise experience.

I know your next question will be to ask why the government is going to activate said concentration camps.  The reason is that as a political meme, fascism has a progressive lifecycle, and concentration camps and mass murder come at the terminal phase of said lifecycle.  America has been following the fascist timeline now since at least Nixon, which means that unless it is fundamentally disrupted, the activation of the camps is only a matter of time.  It might not happen under Obama, or possibly even still the next President; but it will happen if the country's government continues to adhere to the fascist process.

[Ellirium113]

Yeah it has.  Gun-grabbing efforts are under way.  Many more People are THINKING about it and a number are even saying it would be a good idea.  Jefferson is rolling in His grave.  And Old Bennie's words ring clear:

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

What is it called when you give up liberty for corrupt governments? Do these people neither deserve safety or liberty? Where does liberty fit in when it is your own government coercing you to give up your rights under threat of penalties?

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Loved that post, Petrus!

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Where does liberty fit in when it is your own government coercing you to give up your rights under threat of penalties?

It depends on what the 'safety' is.
If you were asked to give up tour gun & rely on the cops protecting you in a dark alley one night?
I have lived many years in England, where the cops had nothing but a whistle & a stick.
And they used those sticks, & it worked, they kept order.

Now, many of the UK cops are armed, even if it's a 9mm in the trunk or a so-called armed response unit. Plenty of stories on that, but the main thing is, can people not simply reason out if they are safer or not on the streets in a particular place?

If i walk the streets of Amsterdam, i carry no weapons, even though i know that there are tons of weapons in that city.
If i walk the streets in London, i carry a big knife, or maybe some Ninja-type weapons.

The difference is in the FEEL of the place, if you feel threatened, go & live in the hills.
As Z said, it makes no difference if there's a drone with your name on it.

But it takes a lot of infrastructure to keep those drones in the air, in a SHTF scenario, i don't think they will be flying for long...

We the People still have a chance, my advice is: keep those weapons, but try not to use them!

[ArMaP]

The government wants to try to minimise said loss of life as much as possible.

The government (any government), if they learned something from other governments in other countries, know that while the military and the people see each other as, at least, "the other side" (at most as "the enemy"), people will never be a match to the military. What the government tries to avoid is to make people and the military to see that they are the same, the only difference is in what they do for a living.

When (if) the people and the military see that they are the same then the government doesn't have a way of turning one against the other.

[ArMaP]

We the People still have a chance, my advice is: keep those weapons, but try not to use them!

My advice is: ignore the weapons, what you need to use is information, make people see what is happening, make people see that we are all the same and all in the same position, only a few are above the common people's problems.

[Amaterasu]

Ah, who needs guns anyway?
Once they are out of ammo or start to rust, it will be back to sticks & stones

There are other ways of protecting yourself, than filling someone with lead.....

Only if You get up close & personal - and if THEY have a gun... Really hard to even get close.

[Amaterasu]

What is it called when you give up liberty for corrupt governments? Do these people neither deserve safety or liberty? Where does liberty fit in when it is your own government coercing you to give up your rights under threat of penalties?

It's called tyranny.  And Those who let it happen, "deserve" it...  In tyranny, "liberty" does not fit in.  And if They are "coercing," You have a choice to rebuke that coercion.

[Pimander]

Continually mentioning dead kids isn't really indicative of detachment.

Stop mentioning dead kids then.

[Pimander]

Amaterasu is right when she says that adequate information will free us.  Your own perspective, Armap, and that of Pimander, is based on the assumptiony.

Your conspiracy based theme regarding the shootings are based on fantasy.

[petrus4]

Your conspiracy based theme regarding the shootings are based on fantasy.

Prove it. 

[ArMaP]

Amaterasu is right when she says that adequate information will free us.  Your own perspective, Armap, and that of Pimander, is based on the assumption that the government's claims about these shootings are correct; namely, that they are committed by a mentally disturbed young adult, who randomly, and without other explanation, "goes off."

It looks like you have missed all my posts where I say that information is more important than weapons.

[Pimander]

Prove it. 

Prove a negative. 

[Pimander]

It looks like you have missed all my posts where I say that information is more important than weapons.

ArMaP, Ghandhi, Martin Luther King and Pimander are right.

ArMaP, I put us in the same sentence as some greats there.  I am almost embarrassed. 

[Amaterasu]

Prove it. 

Gold for that.