The 2nd Amendment and Guns, From a Perspective of Experience

[petrus4]

Yes, those are the biggest losers; they don't vote and complain about things don't changing...

Given voting's track record, I don't see myself as such a loser for abstaining.

[Amaterasu]

Shame on you if you don't.

I don't vote and I will tell You why.  "Voting" machines with proprietary software.  My vote is irrelevant and a waste of My time.  Why spend that time when the fix is in.  When the machines have transparent programming...THEN I'll vote again. 

Meanwhile, I don't complain.  I point out the issues and offer a solution.

[ArMaP]

Given voting's track record, I don't see myself as such a loser for abstaining.

Well, what other possibilities of making a real change US citizens have?

[petrus4]

Well, what other possibilities of making a real change US citizens have?

That is precisely the point, Armap.  Voting only works if it has a guarantee; something else to fall back on if the electoral system fails.  That is what the Second Amendment was intended to provide.

[ArMaP]

That is what the Second Amendment was intended to provide.

Here in Portugal we have a right to petition, any petition with more than a specified number of signatures must be discussed on the Parliament. Do you have anything like it?

[1Worldwatcher]

ArMap Wrote:

Well, what other possibilities of making a real change US citizens have?

It's like finger painting ArMap, we have a pretty picture in mind, bu t don't see all the colors available. With all the on going discussions o f gun Control, the inadequacies of the Us G_ov and the pushing force of knowing better than the next, it is all convoluted for real ideologies.
IMHO , seems as if control is the hindrance too progress, everyone bu t the hindrances has an idea of how too fix the problem, but with ramifications of putting us back in the stone age for conceptual thinking. All countries , in my opinion need some kind of help with this scenario, not only but a few are actually doing alright with in governement4l structure, even EU is going to be put the test for the so called 'Fiscal Cliff' scenario.
These types of discussions allows me to lean toward the mythology of days gone by, the Hydra, where one head is snapping at the other, eventually fall comes, but only at the dismay o f those ostentatious enough to pursue with no real game plan that is proven.
Tiring this topic has become, distracting from what the real goals should be, though the main stay of argument here is that we are being infringed upon by denying constitutional rights with 2nd admen. the world falls slowly apart, no real answers, no real debates being postulated on, just rhetoric and arguments.
I know the Us has its problems, bu there are much worse places too be in this day and age, that apparently are still living in the stonage ideology.
In comparison, my fathers fathers fought for our freedoms, that will never change. It is instilled upon me as a point of pride, not the fall of the Us.
Many here on these boards has someone or knows someone that has gave the ultimate sacrifice for our freedoms, whether 08ama  realizes this or not, or is truly heart felt by him, the point remains, "People kill people" not guns, And there we are again, right back to where the convo should be. Round and round we go, where she stops nobody knows...Ha ha ha.
Guess we can all point fingers, the thing of it is, we seemingly forget that there are three pointing back at us when we do so.
Us is having prob's, bu the rest of the world is in similar situation. Call it ironic, regardless, when all is said and done, the arguments will go on for this , that and the other thing, with no real resolve of anything, just more rhetoric or fodder for the fire, as I liked to use when referring to the political discussions.
I have never voted for any pres. not in schools chess club and definitely not for leader of a country, it is my choice, and it is my understanding people don't know who they are voting for anyways, smoke and mirrors, will alway be this way, because it has always been this way. There will never be civil rest when discussing such matters, only more self interpreted ideas of what should be done to resolve what ever issue the idea bringer has in mind.
I am a NRA member, I have not even let this all bother me, seems as if it may seem redundant to mention that with my input here, but it is the only way O don't let such matters get into my Dome, As many o f my friends and relatives agree, it's only politics, and citizens wanting to take control of said politics , with no real idea of if their own interpretations would even work. Just glad I am in a country where I am allowed too say that, not governed and proof read before  have the right or permission too.

1WW

[zorgon]

My stance on Guns  from John Longbrake