Questions for John...lost souls & back down birth canal

[Darth Yudas]

John,

I have read a lot of your threads from other boards and listened to some interviews, and have stopped for a period of time.  Only because, as you have said yourself in posts, the story just starts repeating itself after a while.  I followed your trail from a couple of forums, read up on your posts, then only to find out that you had moved on.  I am glad that I have finally caught up with you.  I know you don't like long posts or lots of questions to have to answer, so I will break it down in parts as we go if you will just be patient with me, as they are very important to me   I also understand that everything you say is "just" your opinion, and I wouldn't hold you to anything factual.  Everything I say or question you about is just based off of post from other forums.

You have said, the only personal experience you have ever had is at area 51 with Lazar, outside of that, everything else you believe is based off of years of research from other peoples work or findings.  Seeing that craft that day, you have also stated you would have no idea if it was ET's or man made.  Am I correct so far on this?

So based off of that, all your years of research have led you to believe everything you believe about the alien theory is not based off personal experience, but purely off of research.  Still correct here also right?

The theories I have heard you discuss, has always been the same for the most part, except I did catch a point in time where there was a minor (IMO major) variation to the story.  In the first version, you said when we die,  our soul will see our friends and loved one for a brief moment, then depending on if we have learned everything we are suppose to learn, it will dictate whether we move on or back down the birth canal.  When you were asked what "move on" means or what is it that we have to learn, you responded that you don't know.

However, in another variation of the story, you had said, when we die, our soul will see our friends and loved one for a brief moment, and then "whoosh" right back down the birth canal automatically back down to earth.   Then you responded to a question that was asked how do we get out, or escape, and your response was, "that we are animals on a farm with a fence around it. There is no way out."  In this version, you never mention anything about the soul moving on if we haven't learned everything we are suppose to, that it was automatic reincarnation right back down to the farm.

Which version is the correct one?

You also mentioned about how water is the only thing they are unable to harvest the soul from.  In fact, you said, that is why sailors who are lost at sea are called "Lost Souls."  What happens to the soul when it is lost at sea?  Is that just it, lights out permanently kind of thing?

I will have a couple of follow up questions based off your answers.

Thank you for your time

     

[Darth Yudas]

So what is the story, does John actually post here??  He has logged in a couple of times since my post, and it's not like there are a ton of posts for him to respond to?  Just curious if I am wasting my time, does he selectively pick which posts he will respond to, or he just doesn't bother posting anymore here also?  This is the 4th forum I have been to trying to catch up to him

Thanks!

[johnlear]

John,

I have read a lot of your threads from other boards and listened to some interviews, and have stopped for a period of time.  Only because, as you have said yourself in posts, the story just starts repeating itself after a while.  I followed your trail from a couple of forums, read up on your posts, then only to find out that you had moved on.  I am glad that I have finally caught up with you.  I know you don't like long posts or lots of questions to have to answer, so I will break it down in parts as we go if you will just be patient with me, as they are very important to me   I also understand that everything you say is "just" your opinion, and I wouldn't hold you to anything factual.  Everything I say or question you about is just based off of post from other forums.
You have said, the only personal experience you have ever had is at area 51 with Lazar, outside of that, everything else you believe is based off of years of research from other peoples work or findings.  Seeing that craft that day, you have also stated you would have no idea if it was ET's or man made.  Am I correct so far on this?

I was sure it was ET but not sure who was in it. Bob said he didn't know either, but the guy who was standing next to him when he saw it fly at S-4 was speaking on a two-way (UHF) normal English to the guy inside.

So based off of that, all your years of research have led you to believe everything you believe about the alien theory is not based off personal experience, but purely off of research.  Still correct here also right?

Correct

The theories I have heard you discuss, has always been the same for the most part, except I did catch a point in time where there was a minor (IMO major) variation to the story.  In the first version, you said when we die,  our soul will see our friends and loved one for a brief moment, then depending on if we have learned everything we are suppose to learn, it will dictate whether we move on or back down the birth canal.  When you were asked what "move on" means or what is it that we have to learn, you responded that you don't know.
However, in another variation of the story, you had said, when we die, our soul will see our friends and loved one for a brief moment, and then "whoosh" right back down the birth canal automatically back down to earth.   Then you responded to a question that was asked how do we get out, or escape, and your response was, "that we are animals on a farm with a fence around it. There is no way out."  In this version, you never mention anything about the soul moving on if we haven't learned everything we are suppose to, that it was automatic reincarnation right back down to the farm.

Then I met Sleeper (Lou Baldin) who set me straight. When we die we go to a kind of waiting room/reception room that is awesome. Quoting Steve Jobs just before he passed, "Oh, WOW, Oh WOW, Oh WOW". We then get to socialize with relatives and friends who have passed before us. I don't know exactly how long but maybe a few minutes to a few hours.

We are then shown all of the good things and bad things we have done in our life. It always amazes people how the ET's can keep track of the teeniest, tiniest events both good and bad. There is no judgment except your own, how you feel you have done when it is all put before you in extreme clarity. The purpose we are on earth is to learn how to live with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed.

For some it takes a few lifetimes. for some it takes many many lifetimes. When you are deemed by the ET's not to have made it, you are sent back to earth or a similar planet to try it again. To try and live with integrity and without envy, hate or greed.

If they deem that you have made it then you a deemed fit to join the glory and splendor of the universe. You will start of as  baby but will be born onto a planet where there is no grief, no pain, no strain, no hunger, no strife. And from thee you keep evolving into a better person through many lifetimes to land on planets even better.

The soul from our previous life is put into the new born baby sometimes still in the mother, sometimes just after birth sometimes about 3 days after birth. We have a say in the choice of our new parents.

As far as being animals on a farm with a fence around it this is not quite correct. We are on a planet with no escape except to learn how to live with integrity and without envy hate or greed.
This is the purpose of the Van Allen belt. To insure that nobody gets beyond low earth orbit without the specific permission of those in control.

The Apollo mission were pure fantasy and never happened. We (the U.S. or Russia) does not have the technical capability of shielding a crew from the intense radiation of the Van Allen Belt. One of the reason for the Apollo hoax was to make the public believe that we could go anywhere we wanted.

You also mentioned about how water is the only thing they are unable to harvest the soul from.  In fact, you said, that is why sailors who are lost at sea are called "Lost Souls."  What happens to the soul when it is lost at sea?  Is that just it, lights out permanently kind of thing?

I was wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. In fact the ET's can recover the souls from anyone anywhere, dead or alive. There are no lost souls except for once in a while someone does somehow get lost and these are what we call 'ghosts'. Eventually they do find their way back.

Whitely Strieber once told me that 'The Light' that beckons people after death is a trick of the grays. A trick to get you to come that way. In fact, it is not a trick. It IS the way. Whether you can in fact go the other way I do not know. I am surely going to go toward the light when my time comes.

I will have a couple of follow up questions based off your answers.

Thank you for your time

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
All the best.
   

[Darth Yudas]

Thanks John for taking the time out.  Well you certainly blew my theory right out of the water (so to speak)!  I was going to say, if it was lost souls in the waters, and they couldn't do anything about it, then why couldn't I just take a boat out into the middle of the ocean and drown myself.  I thought I found a loophole in your theory of "no escape." 

I have another question for you then.  If there is no such thing as Heaven and Hell, ET's control our destiny soul wise, no fear of eternal damnation from suicide, and let's say you have a miserable life.  You live in poverty, no family or children that could be affected, and you're much older now where the time left isn't going to make much of a difference.  What about offing yourself to get a do over in life then?  If one was to commit suicide, and not a single person would be affected by it other than you, you probably didn't learn what you were suppose to learn anyway, why not do it and get a fresh start on life again and hope whatever lesson you were suppose to learn can be achieved in the next life since this one was shot to hell (so to speak)?  You have said many times in your writing that we truly have no free will anyway, then wouldn't that be what the ET's had out for you anyway?

I can't help but think based off your philosophy, that it really doesn't matter what we do, and there really is no consequences other than not moving on to the next realm, if you learned what you were suppose to learn.  If you don't believe that isn't going to happen anyway because you wasted this life, why not go for the do over and tell the ET's to screw themselves because that was my free will working.

We don't even know if the next realm is a good one based off what you know.  It sounds like a crap shoot, and maybe this is as good as it gets.  Besides, depending on what your thinking is, who wants to be around for NWO transition if it comes to WWIII or something of the like.  Why not get off this boat before it sinks by your own means, and get a fresh start?

Of course, I am not suggesting this as a solution to just anyone, nor do I want anyone to take this as a serious solution.  Most folks have family, friends, children, people that would be affected.  However, I don't at all.  There isn't a single person in the world that would be affected by my loss, so why based off of all your research and ideas, would I stay attached to this life if there is no real consequences other than starting over?  I am just thinking if what you say is Gospel, then I have a better chance with suicide of getting a fresh start to try again, rather than sit around for whatever time we have left waiting for the same results anyway.

I am sure this could be considered a very touchy subject, but we should look at everything from ALL angles.  Please don't provide the politically correct answer, but look at it as a serious question

Before anyone gets spooked or anything of the like, I am not suicidal or about to off myself.  It also doesn't mean that if you were to give me a non-politically correct answer,  I am going to run off with that information and act off it.  Just trying to gather all the information and look at it from all angles.

Thanks

[Darth Yudas]

John,

Don't answer my last question in the post above please.  I don't want to give ammunition to anyone who can perceive it the wrong way, or worse, use the information the wrong way.  I have realized since I posted this that it's not important.

I have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours, if not thousands of hours researching the last couple of months trying to figure out what is going on in this world and what is happening to me.  I just became awake this year, and all I have seen is different paths in front of me as to which awake I am going to take i.e. religious, spiritual, new age, UFO/ET, NWO, etc... It's been overwhelming how many different ideas, doctrines, and philosophies are available to my choosing, including yours.  Everyone believes "their" reality as much as the next person believes theirs.  I think what I figured out is that instead of grasping onto someone else's reality, I need to figure out what my own is.  I have been lost for a long time, but now I am not.

I think if you look hard enough in life into any direction or path you want to walk down, you will find proof of what you are looking for.  I think the possibilities are endless.  From my experience, when I start feeding into paranoia, I find more things to justify the paranoia with and to stay paranoid.  I am not using that as an example about you, but about myself and my experience.  I think your 20+ years of research have taken you down the path of the reality you have built for yourself.  After that long, the path gets set in concrete, and looks as real as it will ever get.

I think you are a kind man, and have offered a lot to people that seek their truth.  What I have realized for myself, is that this isn't the path I want to walk down anymore.  Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong, but either way, there isn't much that I can do about it.  What it is, it will be.  I worry for you (in a kind way), and will pray for you

I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving, and God bless you.

Sorry to have taken up your time.

Peace and Love

[A51Watcher]

" Seeing that craft that day, you have also stated you would have no idea if it was ET's or man made.  Am I correct so far on this?"

I was sure it was ET but not sure who was in it....

John, I'm curious what made you sure it was ET.

[sky otter]

ok..maybe my comments don't fit here but i find an unquestioning acceptance of this theory very upsetting..
so i guess my question to you seekers of what the hell comes next is

why would you believe this any more than the religious clap trap we have been fed?
or the mythologic that abounds on the planet....
i feel none of it to be the whole account...just pieces as seen thur even older belief systems
and passed down

personally, i have to go with the gnostics and their belief that  we don't have the brain power YET to get it...
and  that brings in the 2012 stuff..not as the end of the world..but the end of not knowing
all these stories are just that
stories for the kiddies not old enough to hear the whold truth

question everything   

[sky otter]

came back to clarify something
in no way do i think John has lied or made up this stuff...that wasn't my point

it sounds like the story parents tell kids at christmas about santa...pacification

my point was:
why should we believe it?


why would an e t  tell this in the first place?

what or how much distortion takes place from e t  thought/language and ours?

my point is WHY 

[hobbit]

IMHO, In My hobbit opinion, We choose to come here to whatever life experience to experience exactly that.
When We dream an overload of DMT enables a TRIP to occur that is litterally onto different geometry within the self same space We occupy now, there You download information and collect information required.
It is Yourself in that alternate dimension that knows lots.
I have had experience of connecting to such whilst awake, and this entails achieving what the DMT enables which is an expansion of Your personal field to thus connect to the alternate dimension gemetry.

I have much explained , but it is difficult to readily remember as the infrmation is in the alternate dimension.

Thje so called flying saucers achieve this field expansion to move in time, they don't move as such when they trip between dimensions and leave this one.

Thats what a rather clever hobbit told Me.
hobbit

[hoss58]

John,

Don't answer my last question in the post above please.  I don't want to give ammunition to anyone who can perceive it the wrong way, or worse, use the information the wrong way.  I have realized since I posted this that it's not important.

I have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours, if not thousands of hours researching the last couple of months trying to figure out what is going on in this world and what is happening to me.  I just became awake this year, and all I have seen is different paths in front of me as to which awake I am going to take i.e. religious, spiritual, new age, UFO/ET, NWO, etc... It's been overwhelming how many different ideas, doctrines, and philosophies are available to my choosing, including yours.  Everyone believes "their" reality as much as the next person believes theirs.  I think what I figured out is that instead of grasping onto someone else's reality, I need to figure out what my own is.  I have been lost for a long time, but now I am not.

I think if you look hard enough in life into any direction or path you want to walk down, you will find proof of what you are looking for.  I think the possibilities are endless.  From my experience, when I start feeding into paranoia, I find more things to justify the paranoia with and to stay paranoid.  I am not using that as an example about you, but about myself and my experience.  I think your 20+ years of research have taken you down the path of the reality you have built for yourself.  After that long, the path gets set in concrete, and looks as real as it will ever get.

I think you are a kind man, and have offered a lot to people that seek their truth.  What I have realized for myself, is that this isn't the path I want to walk down anymore.  Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong, but either way, there isn't much that I can do about it.  What it is, it will be.  I worry for you (in a kind way), and will pray for you

I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving, and God bless you.

Sorry to have taken up your time.

Peace and Love

You say you have done a lot of research, have you read any of Lou Baldins books?I f you have not then I would like to suggest that you do if you are as awake as you state. Lo's material has a way of explaining this world in a way that is easy to grasp if your mind is open.And just for the record it is NEVER ok to commit suicide, thats cheating , you are expected to never to give up . There is a hefty price to pay for that, you won't like where you will end up.

[sky otter]

here's yet another theory to toss on the pile..


One person, Benedict, who reported his near-death experience in great detail, came close to describing eternity. After seeing shifting images, Benedict became aware that what he was actually seeing was the Higher Self matrix, a cosmic pattern of consciousness. Each person has a Higher Self that serves as an oversoul and also as a conduit back to the source.
Gazing at the matrix of souls, Benedict became aware they were all connected; humanity formed one being; each of us is an aspect of this wholeness.
Benedict asked the light to reveal the entire universe to him "beyond all human illusion." He was told to ride the stream of life. His speed accelerated beyond the speed of light as he left the solar system, passed through the heart of the galaxy, and became aware of many worlds and many life-forms. What appeared to be travel through space was in fact the expansion of his own consciousness.
Benedict describes entire galaxies disappearing into a point, of all life-forms making their presence known, of a second light that contains every vibration in the universe.
Passing into the second light, he experienced a profound shift into silence and utter stillness. He could see to infinity. He was in the void, pre-creation, and his consciousness was limitless. He was in contact with the absolute, with unbounded awareness. He perceived all of creation generating itself without beginning or end. Millions of Big Bangs were constantly generating new universes. Since he was beyond time, this was happening simultaneously in all dimensions.
After reaching this cosmic epiphany, Benedict's journey reversed itself, step-by-step, and he woke up with the unshakable realization that death was an illusion.
Adapted from Life After Death: The Burden of Proof, by Deepak Chopra (Harmony Books, 2006).
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