Moon water complicates formation theory

[astr0144]

Moon water complicates formation theory



ANN ARBOR, Mich., Feb. 18 (UPI) -- The interior of the moon contained water early in its history, suggesting the formation theories of the moon may have to be re-thought, U.S. researchers say.

University of Michigan researchers and colleagues found tiny amounts of water in mineral grains from samples from the lunar highlands obtained during the Apollo missions.

The lunar highlands are thought to represent the original crust that crystallized from a mostly molten early moon, suggesting the lunar interior contained water during this molten stage before the crust solidified, a university release said Monday.

That's difficult to reconcile with the theory that the moon formed from the debris generated during a giant impact with the proto-Earth and any water in lunar rocks was added after its formation by smaller meteorite impacts or solar wind.

"Because these are some of the oldest rocks from the moon, the water is inferred to have been in the moon when it formed," UM researcher Youxue Zhang said. "That is somewhat difficult to explain with the current popular moon-formation model, in which the moon formed by collecting the hot ejecta as the result of a super-giant impact of a martian-size body with the proto-Earth.

"Under that model, the hot ejecta should have been degassed almost completely, eliminating all water."

The new findings, however, indicate the early moon was wet and that water there was not substantially lost during the moon's formation, the researchers said.

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[robomont]

Rock with water in it would have more mass than rock without.
This increase in mass would give priority to the wet rock clumping first.

I don't believe the moon was formed from ejected plasma from earth.
But I don't have a clue where the rock came from.

[Amaterasu]

It's a spaceship... And the rock was whatever was handy to disguise it as a natural body.

[astr0144]

Hi Robo,

Im no expert and may be making things over complex  ,

but when comparing say two samples of the same volume..as to which has the heavier mass.. that of  sample 1) the pure Rock without water...  against sample 2) that with water..

if two of the samples were measured in the same volume ..

Depending if  the Rock is heavier than water ..( Which we probably would expect )

it may depend upon how the Rocks / minerals density or mass
compares to that of Water and if it has holes in it for water to combine in it...or if it contains air or empty space...

Otherwise I am somewhat unsure what to make of it...

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Rock with water in it would have more mass than rock without.
This increase in mass would give priority to the wet rock clumping first.

I don't believe the moon was formed from ejected plasma from earth.
But I don't have a clue where the rock came from.

[ArMaP]

it may depend upon how the Rocks / minerals density or mass
compares to that of Water and if it has holes in it for water to combine in it...or if it contains air or empty space...

That's easy to know, throw a rock on water and see if it floats, if it does then it's lighter than water.

The only rock that I can remember that is lighter than water is pumice.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

It's a spaceship... And the rock was whatever was handy to disguise it as a natural body.

Right on!....It was engineered and towed into place!.....

[Amaterasu]

Or flown into place...  [smile]  I don't think it is a natural body.

[zorgon]

And the rock was whatever was handy to disguise it as a natural body.

Wrong.  Not just whatever was handy

The surface is covered with regolith that just happens to contain;

Thorium Oxide; A cleaner nuclear fuel

Titanium Oxide; To make spaceship hulls

Silicon Dioxide; o make glass (fiber glass)

HE3 - Helium 3; a safe clean nuclear fusion fuel with enough there to power the planet for 10,000 years or more.

The oxides can be mined by simple scoops and use solar reflectors as ovens. The by product is OXYGEN  for breathing, fuel and making water

So  its a present   We just need to go and scoop up the dust

U.S. Department of Defense
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Public Affairs)
News Transcript
Tuesday, December 3, 1996 - 1:45 p.m.
Subject: Discovery of Ice on the Moon

Warning. .gov link
http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=731

Q: That translates to what in volume?

A: We were very conservative in the press release, but if you take basically 100 square kilometers by roughly 50 feet, you get a volume of something like a quarter of a cubic mile, I think it's on that order. It's a considerable amount, but it's not a huge glacier or anything like that.

Q: Can you compare that with something you know?

A: It's a lake. A small lake.

[astr0144]

So Zorgon,

Do you think that the moon was towed to its present position ?

Is the spaceship that may have brought it here hid on the far side ?

Read an article earlier suggesting China may soon release photos of what they really found !    

Maybe just rumour !





(I was sent some pictures by a source who claims China will be releasing Hi Res images taken by the Chang'e-2 moon orbiter, which clearly show buildings and structures on the moons surface.

China is moving toward full disclosure of the Extraterrestrial reality.)

[zorgon]

Would be nice but I don't trust China They fakes the Shen Zhou 7 spacewalk (filmed under water and they aired the 'live' transmission on Thursday when the launch was supposed to be Friday... said it was a 'technical error' . I also have it from a good source that there was no launch til Sunday, a small military rocket). They showed us one image from the first moon mission. That was copied from Clementine and they even messed up splicing, claiming they had found a new crater, but it was an overlay error

So not holding my breath on any Chinese revelation

Both John and Norm Bertrand say it was towed. We did a thread back on ATS looking for the spot where the tow ship is supposed to be buried

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

'(I was sent some pictures by a source who claims China will be releasing Hi Res images taken by the Chang'e-2 moon orbiter, which clearly show buildings and structures on the moons surface.'


Hell, I thought I did that already!

[astr0144]

Sorry if I missed them Sgt..

I have seen images on various threads that make claims of bases on the moon, but most do not seem very convincing from what I could see..
So it put me off looking at Moon Base posts...

This was posted with what I read elsewhere today and to me this seems much more realistic if it is not been faked... I can certainly make out some sort of city and clearer images on this video.

If you have posted images to do with this...or similar...my apologies for missing them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKadoX3rfcE&feature=player_embedded

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Just joking

Here's my stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SgtRocknRoll?feature=mhee

& here:

http://sergentrocknroll.blogspot.com/

[astr0144]

Hi Sgt,

As I mentioned in my earlier post, having looked at some various moon images in the past, I was never too sure about much of what was being suggested from the researchers suggestions of what they had believed to observe...

Mainly down to the fact that the images were just not clear enough for me to agree with them... as often the moon images were not sharp and often had a lot of black shadow..

So unless I could see something that I really thought was "real like" I often do not waste too much time observing them.

I just had a browse through your youtube and website videos...
and  from what I can see initially looks quite impressive in what you have been involved in...and IF what you are showing is real then great work in finding these objects / Anomalies.. I can see many a thing that you indicate with the software that you have been using which looks impressive...

( I am curious what software it is and How you obtain the moon images)

BUT again, I will say that I still find from what I have seen so far , that the moon images are not clear enough for me to really make a conclusion..and to fully agree that what you are trying to demonstrate is real or not...

( I suppose its like trying to determine if a UFO is real or not  which can be difficult )


I will say that I was rather impressed with that Video that I referred to in my previous message that was posted on GLPs..

That to me looked much clearer and convincing for some reason even though I believe that it is old footage... I really get the impression that it could be real...as the buildings and base stand out...

I note that you asked John about it and that his reply did not seem too  positive about it...I am not sure how he concludes on it ! ..


(Here is what it says:...
Possible Alien Moon Base Captured By Chang'e-2 Orbit)

Johns reply....
The video always came up as Private. But there are no such "Moon Bases"

Can I ask what you made of it ? and how you think it compares to the other bases and buildings that you believe to have come across..

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Just joking

Here's my stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SgtRocknRoll?feature=mhee

& here:

http://sergentrocknroll.blogspot.com/

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Thanks for at least looking at my videos. Most of the time I try not to pass judgement on what I'm seeing. I'm just pointing out items that I think are interesting. I have seen actual objects such as buildings, an excavator, what looks like mining operations , roads, spheres, a spaceport & other items. A lot are just geological formations.

The software I use is Autocad. I'm a 3d mechanical designer by trade. I reference in the photo and then basically draw on top of the photo.

As to where I get my photos, well NASA, Apollo archives, Lunar orbiter and LROC sites. John has sent me a number of ones and asked me to take a look to see if I spot anything. Other members here have posted photos with interesting items.

I do spend a lot of time scanning and downloading photos . I have a lot of storage space so I like to download large hi-res photos to study.

As far as the 'moon base' video on GLP. it looks faked to me. Almost 'game' like if you know what I mean. Most of these videos are not pro-active so to speak. I try to maneuver around the photo even rotate items. And I always identify the photo by number and I use the full original photo when possible.

Once again, thanks.

Peace
Rock 

(UPDATE)
Just tried to answer John on GLP and I guess I'm banned again, cause they won't post my reply to John....