Minerals Belong To Us All, Not Corporations

[Anynonmouses]

When corporations and governments conspire to plunder the mineral wealth of the planet the citizenry is being ripped off, and it's completely legal. Who says the oil, natural gas, gold, silver and the rest of our natural resources belong to the corporation? Those minerals belong to ALL of us, and we are due our fair share.  I move that voters change this modus operandi and be paid.

Peace and Love,
JD

[zorgon]

The citizens want minerals? Then let the lazy ass citizens get off their butts and go dig them up. I for one am not going to do the work to give you a cut

Here is the work involved

1) Need a vehicle and gas to get to the location, usually in some barely accessible spot
2) Need tools... at the minimum hand tools like pick, shovel, screen, pan, hammer, chisel, goggles, sledge.
3) Need camping equipment because rarely will you have time to do a dig in one day

So far I have put out a lot of money. Are you going to give me a fair share of EXPENSES? If so you may be entitled to a cut..

So once you FIND a good spot with a possible pocket of minerals... you have to work hard hours digging and splitting rock.  Then you need to sort them, clean them and high grade them. Likely 10% of your work will produce anything of value. If you have a good day

Then you get them home and need to trim them to make them presentable ie trim off the access rock to make the mineral pretty enough to make someone want it.

More tools needed  a diamond saw is a minimum must have, tumblers, etc.  More money spent  still no PROFIT.

In the case of metals like gold and silver, you need to crush the ore and either screen and pan it or take it to a smelter because to have your own crusher, ore mill and smelter costs a small fortune.

So how much of the costs are YOU willing to put up as your 'fair share' so you are entitles to your cut? What's that? Didn't hear you

John Lear has such a small Gold Mine  basically a small operation run by a few family. Well the BLM decided to give the land back to the TORTOISE so all that gold is still their...back in public domain. As they didn't renew that permit, the buildings ore crusher and mill had to be sold/torn down to get back the deposit of 185,000.  Now in all those years of working that mine to get CLOSE to the ore... there was never a 1.00 profit... only expenses.  And now that it is closed before it became productive, it is all a LOSS

I am waiting for a check from you for your share of those costs...

I'll post some pictures of the mine in a bit... but you freeloaders just want the payday, and forget the costs and work involved.

Now all that gold out there in that area (Gold Butte Nevada) is owned by all the people and the Desert Tortoise...  you are free to take a hammer and shovel and dig some up, but nothing heavier.

Where is it exactly? Oh ask the government I ain't drawing you a map

[zorgon]

John and Zorgon at the Mine



Ore Crusher and Woofer Table



Assay Shack and Ore Crusher



Ball Mill



The Mill and Assay Lab  after the TORTOISE WAR



Looking to the Cabin... the old workshop and store house.
The cabin was still standing last time I was up there in May 2010



The Workshop  before...



... and after




So there ya go... all that gold in several hundred acres is FREE for the taking of any joe public that has the BALLS to do the work... just don't mess with the almighty TORTOISE or you will go staright to federal pen 



BTW that cactus is edible for humans, sold in grocery stores here... in case you do have the balls to head out and try your luck, it's good to know what can keep you alive

[Anynonmouses]

I don't care about that position; the bottom line is those minerals belong to all of us. If you want to get picky, the minerals within a state boundary should be owned equally by those who live within the borders of that state.

Your expenses in mining are not my problem. When you ask someone to hunt meteorites on their land, or hunt geese, the owner sets the terms of the deal, and usually the owner gets a cut. I don't genuflect when people with means think they can muscle their way into the treasure which rightfully belongs to all of us. The fact that the system isn't set up to accommodate the rights of the citizens, or protect (us) against tyranny or theft is not sufficient argument for the plunder the resources at will.

Permit money or other fees involved should be given to the citizens who are "out" the resources after bigshot wannabes have had their way (or not) with the minerals. Your argument against the citizens being paid their fair share (whatever that turns out to be as agreed by the voters) is weak. Your argument assumes that anyone can take anything from anyone anywhere as long as you get to it first, and by virtue of your effort and trouble in plundering.

Go fish. Love ya, but...

JD

[zorgon]

Speaking of Minerals...

I am almost ready to start selling them via Land of Legends Store. I have a few already online and will be adding them daily over the summer as soon as I get them photographed and graded

But here is one of the best ones form my own collection. You only find these rarely or trade for them from people that come to rock shows

Fluorite generally crystallizes in the octahedron or dodecahedral form...  so you will get soccer ball like crystals or two four sided pyramids back to back like these examples.


Fluorite Octahedron Crystal

These crystals are common and can be found easily for a few dollars... the one below is from the same mine in China as mine and shows the ball crystal..


Fluorite Dodecahedral Crystals size 8 inches x 4 inches
Purple Fluorite; De'An Mine, Wushan, Jianxi Province, China
Auctioned at: Dan Ripley Select Natural History Auction
Estimate: $5,000.00 - $6,000.00
Realized: $3250



Fluorite Dodecahedral Crystals
Purple Fluorite; De'An Mine, Wushan, Jianxi Province, China
Sold at: Astro Gallery of Gems 185 Madison Ave New York
Price  $15,000.00

Cool looks like they are going to hit Ebay now... that bodes well for me

Okay so my piece...

This one is a VERY RARE Fluorite Crystal from China. It crystallized in CUBIC form.

Fluorite Crystals



Location:
De'An Mine, Wushan, Jianxi Province, China

Unusually deep lavender-raspberry coloration on a white druzy Aragonite matrix. Excellent condition..
Dimensions: 7" x 5" x 5"
Weight 6lbs 5oz
Price: Contact for Price

(I will let it go at $4,200.00 before it goes to auction )

Going to post this in the mineral section that I have ignored for some time  If i sell this one I can get that new SUV to go digging again


Top view

[zorgon]

When you ask someone to hunt meteorites on their land, or hunt geese, the owner sets the terms of the deal, and usually the owner gets a cut.

So is the case if the land owner owns the mineral rights, which out west here most do. City dwellers in apartments etc can hardly own those rights but I suppose if a meteorite hits their apartment or car, its theirs. BLM already is allowing permits to hunt them on BLM land and rockhounding is now listed as a Recreational Activity in many parks so long as it's done by hand

Your argument against the citizens being paid their fair share (whatever that turns out to be as agreed by the voters) is weak.

Let them eat cake!...

Well once Amy gets her Abundance Paradigm to the tipping point and until it becomes a viable reality... I will be out there digging   I don't see the robots being able to do that job

You are free to come and help or sit in your armchair whining about what you think is your fair deal... it's still a free country

[Anynonmouses]

Hey, mister--I LIKE CAKE! lol

I truly have no problem with hand mining or scavenging. I'm basically upset about corporate miners who reap billions in post-overhead profit. In South Dakota, where I'm from, the Homestake and other corporate mines act as if those resources aren't the people's property, and are stealing (legally) from us.

Happy Trails, tin pan.

Love and Respect,
JD

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

This is really funny. You mean to tell me that I'm rich? All I gotta do is dig it up? Tell me more. By what right do I own any gold or jewels or oil unless I have a deed? This is so ridiculous. Lol. I can't go on.

Peace
Rock

[1Worldwatcher]

Anynonmouses,
"Are or do you currently live on a 'Mineral' rich area? Or are you speaking collectively from point of view of that all minerals ever being mined should be left to the people of the state?"

Guess I am a bit confused, but as 'Z' has pointed out, there are scenario's involved when under going such adventures and they sometimes can yield very costly and very devastating results. Just curious?

With Great Respects,
1Worldwatcher

[zorgon]

You mean to tell me that I'm rich? All I gotta do is dig it up?

Well actually... YES   I can tell you were to look... and how to look... but I cannot guarantee you will find any.

Did you know that you can hunt GOLD in the trash bins? 

Actually there are many locations where you can pan for gold... it's just tedious work. But at current prices... doesn't take much

[Anynonmouses]

This is really funny. You mean to tell me that I'm rich? All I gotta do is dig it up? Tell me more. By what right do I own any gold or jewels or oil unless I have a deed? This is so ridiculous. Lol. I can't go on.

Peace
Rock

Sgt Rocknroll...by what right do you NOT own it? All breathing humans should be getting their piece of the mineral pie which corporations in collusion with our legislators are keeping "private."  I get that you are as yet not evolved enough to grasp the concept that corporations treat all of our resources as their own property, but I can forgive your present state of understanding and still call you a brother. You have much evolving to do if you still don't get what I'm trying to get across, because these are simple principles to understand.

Anynonmouses,
"Are or do you currently live on a 'Mineral' rich area? Or are you speaking collectively from point of view of that all minerals ever being mined should be left to the people of the state?"

Guess I am a bit confused, but as 'Z' has pointed out, there are scenario's involved when under going such adventures and they sometimes can yield very costly and very devastating results. Just curious?

With Great Respects,
1Worldwatcher

1Worldwatcher...I'm not limiting the conversation to particular minerals or geography; I'm explaining how things SHOULD be, and will be soon, if I have my way about it. What are considered unimportant chemicals or minerals today might become the revolution of tomorrow. We are inventors. Stay tuned.

As I told Z earlier, the costs incurred by speculators are their problem; doesn't detract one iota (whatever an iota is) from the point.

Thank you all for such interesting and blissfully challenging dialogue. On with it.

Next!

Peace and Love,
JD

[zorgon]

By what right do I own any gold or jewels or oil unless I have a deed?

On that...it is very simple. Prospecting requires no permits. Rockhounding requires no permits (yet) on public land. IF you strike it big you are allowed to stake a claim (on public land) and then you are required to work that claim. If you do mot show signs of work, then you forfeit that claim

IF you hunt on private land... you need owner permission

IF you find something of value like gold or oil, you then check with the owner if they own the mineral rights.

IF yes  you make a deal with the owner to allow access usually for a percentage

IF no, you have the right to demand that the owner allows you access to the mineral with compensation for any damage you do

[zorgon]

All breathing humans should be getting their piece of the mineral pie which corporations in collusion with our legislators are keeping "private."

In principle I might agree with you...  The Native Americans thought as you do and look where that got them as they had no concept of land ownership. But even animals are pack rats and want to hold private treasures. Look at Ravens and especially Ferrets LOL  Those little critters can really get mad when you try to take it back

In practise I don't see it ever happening until the human evolves to the next plane of existence. While we are in THIS physical material plan... we will be pack rats and hoarders.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Living in a fantasy world might be your cup of tea, but I live in the Real here and now. And I have two brothers, Fred & Tom.

Lol

[zorgon]

As I told Z earlier, the costs incurred by speculators are their problem; doesn't detract one iota (whatever an iota is) from the point.

The point no... but the practicality most certainly. If the mining corporations had to share all those profits with each citizen equally they would not have any reason to go dig them up and then NO ONE gets anything

Sure in the future maybe we can get a transporter device like star trek that can just beam the minerals out of the ground... then maybe... but that day isn't here yet and even such a teleporter like device would really suck energy... so you would first need that free energy device.

And so far in my long years of study all I have seen so far is possible maybe's that never get to the working replicable models.

No reason to stop trying.. but so far its all a dream still. And as much as I believe in and practice "The Secret" I don't see any sudden materialization happening. In fact from my studies and trial it appears some outside force is blocking our ability to manifest