Why 1,600 years of ice melting in 25 years is a bad omen

[astr0144]

Why 1,600 years of ice melting in 25 years is a bad omen

A glacier in Peru has melted to levels not seen since the end of the last ice age

Ice that took 1,600 years to form in the Peruvian Andes took only 25 years to disappear, according to a new study published in Science.

Lonnie G. Thompson, a glaciologist at Ohio State University, studied plants that had been recently exposed near Quelccaya, the world's largest tropical ice sheet, located 18,000 feet above sea level. Analysis of the plants showed that the ice cap is smaller than it has been for six thousand years.

Ultimately, Thompson was able to figure out that 1,600 years worth of ice had melted in less than three decades. The culprit? Global warming, scientists told the New York Times:

[T]he melting now under way appears to be at least as fast, if not faster, than anything in the geological record since the end of the last ice age ...

Global warming, which scientists say is being caused primarily by the human release of greenhouse gases, is having its largest effects at high latitudes and high altitudes. Sitting at high elevation in the tropics, the Quelccaya ice cap appears to be extremely sensitive to the temperature changes, several scientists said. [New York Times]
The glacier is melting so quickly, Thompson tells The Daily Mail, that he has had to archive some of the ice "at -30ºC so that creative people will have access to it 20 years from now, using instruments and techniques that don't even exist today."

That Peru's glaciers are melting isn't a surprise. Public Radio International published a story last year about a team of scientists who are doing everything — from covering ice in sawdust, to painting black rocks white to deflect heat — to slow the melting of Peru's glaciers. According to glaciologist Benjamin Morales, the glaciers have lost at least 25 percent of their ice.

The melting of the glaciers could have a dramatic impact on Peruvians. According to Reuters, the "coastal region west of the Andes range, home to two-thirds of Peru's population and 80 percent of economic activity, receives just 2 percent of the country's fresh water." Many people in the dry regions of Peru depend on the glaciers for fresh water, which is so scarce that the country is considering a $500 million project to drill a 12-mile tunnel through the Andes to bring in water from the Amazon basin.

"How much time do we have before 50 percent of Lima's or La Paz's water resources are gone?" researcher Douglas R. Hardy asks the New York Times.

Sadly, there probably isn't enough sawdust to cover all the mountains in the Andes.

http://news.yahoo.com/why-1-600-years-ice-melting-25-years-180000961.html

[sky otter]

hey..we were warned years ago

no one listened then and they are still not listening




In 1990 the Kogi decided they must speak out to the rest of the world. They had survived by keeping themselves isolated but they decided that it was time to send a message to the Younger Brother. They could see that something was wrong with their mountain, with the heart of the world. The snows had stopped falling and the rivers were not so full. If their mountain was ill then the whole world was in trouble.

http://www.theelderbrother.com/kogi/index.cfm?ObjectID=23


The elder brothers, the Kogi people, who retreated through dense Colombian jungle to high mountain sanctuaries from lost cities,  rather than be conquered by Europeans or converted by missionaries, have sent their first emissary ever to Europe to warn us that we are are killing the earth.
Thu Sep 30, 2010
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/09/30/906137/-eKos-Astounding-Warning-from-our-Elder-Brothers


http://documentaryheaven.com/the-kogi-from-the-heart-of-the-world-the-elder-brothers-warning/

[zorgon]

Global warming, which scientists say is being caused primarily by the human release of greenhouse gases, is having its largest effects at high latitudes and high altitudes.

Any 'scientist' that says mankind is responsible for global warming should be shot IMO :. The same warming is happening on Mars... I suppose mankind is causing that too?



The reality is that our time is almost up... global warming to this degree melts the ice, triggers massive releases of methane. The fresh water mixing with the ocean water triggers mega storms that pull cold air from space and in turn trigger the next ice age.  All happens fast enough for a Mastadon to be caught frozen while digesting his last meal



And remember how I go on about ours being the fifth civilization? Well study that chart closely You might catch a pattern

My advice? Move south, stock up on blankets parkas and firewood

[The Matrix Traveller]

Any 'scientist' that says mankind is responsible for global warming should be shot IMO :. The same warming is happening on Mars... I suppose mankind is causing that too?

You aren't wrong there Z....

So why is the same warming taking place on Mars Zorgon ?

I wonder what the Common denominator might be ?   

[Pimander]

Any 'scientist' that says mankind is responsible for global warming should be shot IMO :. The same warming is happening on Mars... I suppose mankind is causing that too?

First of all, the Mars situation may have nothing whatever to do with Global warming on Earth.


Humans may have effected the temperature on Earth significantly.  They have pumped billions of tonnes of Greenhouse gases into the atmosphere and deforested on a massive scale.  Anyone, scientist or not, who thinks that does not effect the environment is ignorant, stupid or pretending to think that for whatever reason.  By the same token, global warming, cooling or whatever else is happening is bound to be a result of other factors too.  Humans are likely to have less effect on global temperatures that the solar cycle for example and probably other cosmic conditions and Earthly cycles.

BOTTOM LINE: Humans do effect global temperatures.  Just because they aren't the only factor does not make it clever to back up propaganda from big oil.

[sky otter]

hey
imo.. you are both right

the earth is doing it's thing.. but humans have pushed  it into over drive

as much as i luv history and the why of stuff
i think right now we need to focus more on how to make it thur this
bunches of theories on it..
even has a tv show called doomsday preppers

but ...flexiblity is the key

[1Worldwatcher]

Well, I have to side with 'Z' on this, not because he is 'Z' but because he is correct in his analogy of what global warming is as a whole. We are totally aware of being able to achieve statistically viable deductive understanding of the Earths past cycles such as the Past Ice Age and such. Though there are 'Case Scenario's' that aren't openly being discussed as a potential "More harmful than the Human species'" and they always refer to their statements as "Never seen Before" or "In our recorded History" for exampled verification of such things, quite frustrating actually.

Point being, the Earths core is burning hard, it emits radioactivity at an alarming rate there by producing insurmountable amounts of energy in the form of heat and poisonous gasses being released with in our atmosphere threw Volcanic vents, there by depositing the radioactive and poisonous gases all over the planet all the time when these events occur. They evacuate, when possible, these regions for not only the danger implemented for the possible violent explosions that occur, but also for these events being able to produce such harmful, not so immediately disastrous counter effects.

Though Mountain reigns and ridges aren't considered as Volcano's, they are the remnants of high tectonic displacement, which, when they occurred caused much havoc and transformation on the face of Earth. When these events occurred, climate was altered due to the elevation of these peaks reaching into phenomenal elevations creating their own atmosphere for weather patterns, with the actual event holding temperatures from the frictional processes involved with tectonic displacement. This is what is creating the Snow caps and Glaciers we are speaking of.

Now, if we are too deduce of the footprint left by man by way of "Green House Effects" it is relatively small too what the planet puts out there as a natural state of evolution (For lack of a better word) that becomes more harmful than the counter part of mans interaction. Though I will openly admit that man has made a 'Footprint' with 'Green House Gases' but it is nothing if we start realising that the earth is about to make some big changes, from never before 'Recorded' history. We haven't seen things like this with in our environment because there was no one there too record the events atmospherically, so of course , researchers and scientists use such terminologies such as "Human Green House Effects" and "Global Warming" with in the same text of or for explanation, they simply don't know what or why it is 'TRULY' happening so quickly. Too myself it is simple "Earth is going through natural cycles of her death throws."

We are the first of a species, with help of explanation with 'Z's charts and visual effects for the understanding, are seeing nothing more than Earth Being Earth, we just can't categorize the events as normal because it is out of the 'Normal' of what we know presently.

And by the way "I would be more concerned what the Sun is up too rather than listen to these supposedly down to Earth explanations, it is a combination that is quite frightful and the ultimate demise of our planet. CME's are very prominent and we know their cycle (We think) and they are going too be the things too watch, those things celestially and intermittently bombarding our planetary surface.

Saving our planet I am all for, but the 'Global Warming' issues have more too them than what we are led too believe, after all, we know more about the Lunar surface and Mars than we know about our Oceans and Earths Core for deductive and scientific understanding.

1WW

[Edward]

You aren't wrong there Z....

So why is the same warming taking place on Mars Zorgon ?

I wonder what the Common denominator might be ?   

Not just Mars, and Earth but all the planets have been seeing effects.  This is documented.   What we have here is not man made global warming, it's man made pollution and destroying the enviroment, with all the deforestation, pollution of air, land and water which is causing ecological problems in conjunction to what our solarsystem as a whole is going through right now.


Edward

[Anynonmouses]

Mankind isn't responsible for weather patterns changing, except insignificantly, except in the case of HAARP. You'll note that the period in question, the past 25 years, is precisely the period of time the HAARP arrays have been modifying our upper atmosphere, controlling jet streams by superheating the ionosphere and counteracting the ability of humans to function within the natural resonance of the earth.

There isn't anything we little people can do to stop the government from destroying all joy on this planet and changing our weather patterns short of physically removing them via force, since other actions aren't happening which could do the trick, such as withholding payments to the federal government en mass. People are scared of jail. What can you do when you're relying on cowards? Not much.

They know this. Stop blaming "people" and their bad habits for global warming (if you do), and understand that when a Mt. St. Helens blows it releases more vile toxins into our atmosphere than the entire sum of the industrial revolution--and does so in minutes. Enough with the pollution talk; it's falling on my deaf ears. Of course we shouldn't pollute! We're humans; humans pollute. It's a symptom of humanity...to be minimized where possible, but it will always be a symptom.

When the sun rises, the exposed earth gets warmer. When the sun sets, the unexposed earth tends to cool. This is science. The rest is pure speculation.

Peace and Love,
JD

[Edward]

Mankind isn't responsible for weather patterns changing, except insignificantly, except in the case of HAARP. You'll note that the period in question, the past 25 years, is precisely the period of time the HAARP arrays have been modifying our upper atmosphere, controlling jet streams by superheating the ionosphere and counteracting the ability of humans to function within the natural resonance of the earth.

There isn't anything we little people can do to stop the government from destroying all joy on this planet and changing our weather patterns short of physically removing them via force, since other actions aren't happening which could do the trick, such as withholding payments to the federal government en mass. People are scared of jail. What can you do when you're relying on cowards? Not much.

They know this. Stop blaming "people" and their bad habits for global warming (if you do), and understand that when a Mt. St. Helens blows it releases more vile toxins into our atmosphere than the entire sum of the industrial revolution--and does so in minutes. Enough with the pollution talk; it's falling on my deaf ears. Of course we shouldn't pollute! We're humans; humans pollute. It's a symptom of humanity...to be minimized where possible, but it will always be a symptom.

When the sun rises, the exposed earth gets warmer. When the sun sets, the unexposed earth tends to cool. This is science. The rest is pure speculation.

Peace and Love,
JD

What I am saying is that global warming is NOT, being affected by man affects to the extent we are seeing it. What I am saying is that ALL the planets are seeing this changes in their tempatures and atmospheric effects ect.....all of our planets.

In regards to the pollution that which is man made.  It IS having an effect on the ecosystems of the world.  The man made pollution which comes in many many  many forms.  Takes it's effect on the delicate balance and it all adds ups.   Speaking of adding up The energy that ALL the planets are going through, in this upgrade of sorts of vibration that one can look at is that in combination with the man-made effects are contributing to things that we are seeing but yet again, The Man made global warming is a Fallacy, it really is.  What is going on is the posioning of the planet and it's ecosystem and that  in itself is a real problem and danger for the various lifeforms that relies on the Cycle of Life action.   

We are indeed at a cross-roads or point of transition.  Depends on people's take on things.  Perhaps things are meant to die off and what not so that new species can develop and grow?  This can happen naturally by the upgrades in frequency the universe dulls out.   Also coupled with any "tinkering"  that "might" happen along the way.  By whom?  Well............ I leave that to everyone's imagination.   

So while we , the planet and the solar system is in this upgrade-transitional point we as humans on this planet must try to better the planet and relieve the stresses  on ourselves and our ecosystems so that we all, humans, all life forms and the planet can go through the the changes of the Natural flow and cycles that the Universe goes through which includes our solar system.


Edward

[zorgon]

You aren't wrong there Z....

I am not anti science But the 'scientists' that think drilling a hole in the Yellowstone Magma bubble to 'relieve pressure" need to be boile in oil Same with the ones who figure small nukes could gently nudge the San Andreas fault along

So why is the same warming taking place on Mars Zorgon ?
I wonder what the Common denominator might be ?   

Well a while back at ATS and I copied it here... I showed that our solar system might not be native to the Milky Way... but moved here when the Sagittarius Galaxy collided. It would certainly explain our odd movement (bobbing up and down in 250 LY 'bobs' through the rim)   

NASA and others have said we are entering a denser region of space. Now they don't really explain what they mean precisely and I don't know what they mean... but is it a coincidence that we are currently moving back into the remaining streamer of the Sagittarius Galaxy?



The Milky Way - Welcome to your New Home Galaxy!

Or...

It could simply be normal cycles on the sun.    But I like my theory better as it explains a lot of anomalies... like the stars moving faster that they have spotted

Ultrafast Stars Discovered Racing Through Milky Way


But if it is the sun. we might be in serious trouble. We see today the water levels in the Great Lakes is dropping (something I was recently corrected on)  Water shortages are world wide.  We already had the Dust Bowl of the 20's and looks like we are heading that way again

Sinkholes opening around the world as the water below the ground is receding leaving a gap. San Joaquin Valley sinking over 30 feet in the past 20 odd years because water below ground is leaving

Ice caps and mountain snow and glaciers melting, causing weight to lift from the land and releasing trapped methane. The sounds we hear are likely literally the earth groaning and farting

The ice core chart shows this is a normal cycle recorded over the last 400,000 years or so, at which time Antarctica was covered with forests and lakes, not ice.  Mankind was supposedly not around then to have cause that

But I find it interesting that the evidence suggests we are the fifth civilization on Earth and I see exactly 5 cycles of warming periods in that record... coincidence?

The Martiam Icecaps are also receding faster than normal... I hear that even Pluto is warmer than 'normal'

But what is normal? we have only been recording these changes for less than 100 years... a mere BLIP in geological time.

Now if all this talk of Global warming caused by Mankind stops pollution I am all for it.. but don't talk to me about holes in the Ozone layer until you understand what Ozone is and how it forms And don't talk to me about Cow Farts messing up the air when one volcano like Krakatoa produced 10 times what we put out during the entire industrial revolution

What is happening though is the 'scientists' are messing around with Geo-enginnering to try to stop the warming. While I agree their cause is noble, I just don't trust these bozos being able to do it right

[burntheships]

While my thoughts on the matter are very much towards
the side that Climate Change always has been and always will...
I think if we only really knew to what degree experiments
have been conducted in the Oceans, the Atmoshpere,
and in Space, we would have a much better idea of mans
pollution and how that effects the ecysystems of the earth,
the weather systems etc.

Few know, and its hardly ever talked about the extensive history of
weather manipulation. Then, also all of the nuclear "tests" that
have been conducted in secret.

Back in 1965 Johnson explored the idea with congress to add reflective
particles into the ocean to manipulate the weather...

The truth is we have no idea what has been done in secret,
and if we knew there is no question in my mind that far outweighs
cows and cars and people.

Until we know what they are doing in Space, on the Moon,
spaying the Atmosphere with who knows what, we have no real
idea what is really effecting what.

In any case, imo AGW is only a theory, and a hyped one at that
with most of the data being "modeled" with skewed and manipulated
data, and much deception, and lies.

[The Matrix Traveller]

"Global warming" is only a Political football... The wishful thinking of some human Primates...

NOTE; The Sea is further out, than it has been in the past where I am !

I guess our Island is rising out of the Sea.   

As for the weather, it is very much like the beginning of the 1990's now...

Similar Patterns according to Weather patterns NOT me.


It is only a belief that humans can control anything.

This is only due to the WAR against LIFE !


IF Humankind was in Control suffering nor "Death" would NOT exist...   

Or is it people just Love to suffer and Die ?

I think NOT !

So I guess the Human Species is NOT in control after all...
It's all Pre-Written like a book and you can't change anything, nor can the Species Influence anything at all.


It is NOT the Species that experiences anything but rather it is your LIFE entity ("The True Mind")
which experiences what has been Pre-Written


It's as I said, That the Experience you are having is like a "Story" in a "Book".

1st it is Written, then it is Read !

NOT the other way around as the Human Species doesn't know HOW to create the Illusion of Time... LOL.


   It is the nature of the "human Primate" to believe they are in Control...

The Earth is merely going though its "Thermal Cycle" as usual, as the human Primate is about to find out !

Watch those "Seas", especially when the new Cycle Starts.


Re. Mars Warming.

Mars is Controlled by the same Source which Produces the Earth.   LOL.

More to learn about the Sun I guess...   

[The Matrix Traveller]

Well a while back at ATS and I copied it here... I showed that our solar system might not be native to the Milky Way... but moved here when the Sagittarius Galaxy collided. It would certainly explain our odd movement (bobbing up and down in 250 LY 'bobs' through the rim)

LOL... Now you are onto it Zorgon...   

[The Matrix Traveller]

All the effects (NOT affects) are due to the Earths "Thermal Cycles" and outside Influences
caused by the "Interactions" in believed to be Space, all of which come from One Source.

NO I am NOT referring to anything of human religious belief !