Almost time!

[petrus4]

http://www.sirius.neverendinglight.com/

Just six minutes and counting, before we can ask...

"Why so Sirius, PRC?"

It's Dr Steve's big day.  I can't wait.  I feel like a kid on Christmas Day, here.  I an unrepentant fan of Dr Greer, I will admit; irrespective of how much of an outcast that may potentially make me.



I am going to be relying on someone to pirate it almost immediately; although I'm scared they won't, and I'll have to wait yet another few days still.

[zorgon]

Well at least he has wheels

[zorgon]

SPOILER ALERT

Greer's Alien

"Contact has been made!..."

[petrus4]

SPOILER ALERT

Greer's Alien

"Contact has been made!..."

That's bizarre; although I am reminded of the ancient Egyptian ushabti figurines.  This potentially puts those in a new light, as incredible as that may seem.

[zorgon]

Well I think I will wait till soneone unbiased does a forensic autopsy on it... someone other than "Dr" Greer

[zorgon]

Posted by PhoenixOD
Ill never forget seeing the video where he charged people a load of money and then took them into an empty field and told them they were standing inside an invisible inter dimensional etheric space ship.



Yup I am in the wrong business

[Pimander]

I can review the DNA sequence data if it is published.  I can't show whether it is a genuine sequence without a tissue sample but you would need knowledge to fake a genome.

The sequencing data will either be completely alien (and meaningless to normal sequence analysis) or it will have certain properties amenable to bioinformatics research.

[micjer]

[Anynonmouses]

It will be discovered that some of the elements in the DNA sequences will be human, some will be unknown. The unknown stuff is the sort of thing that will fuel both sides of this issue, and regardless of the evidence, skeptics will demonize the voracity of the little man because evidence doesn't matter to a skeptic who has already taken sides. Skeptics will always need further proof, and rip to shreds any findings which contradict their beliefs. This is the human condition; exceptions are almost unheard of.

Keep an open mind, or you'll find yourself locked out of your own universe without a key.

Peace and Love,
JD

[Pimander]

It will be discovered that some of the elements in the DNA sequences will be human, some will be unknown. The unknown stuff is the sort of thing that will fuel both sides of this issue,

We don't know at this point what, if anything,  this DNA evidence shows....

and regardless of the evidence, skeptics will demonize the voracity of the little man because evidence doesn't matter to a skeptic who has already taken sides.

Then there are those of us who just want  the truth.  We do not just believe "the little man" or "the big man" without good evidence.  Only fools do that.

I think that humans will find and may already have found proof.  I will not accept flimsy evidence though.

I would also suggest that anyone who does not understand the mainstream science used to analyse the data, is not in a position to verify or refute it.  The same goes for theories about hollow celestial bodies.   To understands DNA sequence data, you have to understand what DNA does and how it is analysed using computers.

[Anthra]

I think that humans will find and may already have found proof.  I will not accept flimsy evidence though.

I would also suggest that anyone who does not understand the mainstream science used to analyse the data, is not in a position to verify or refute it.  The same goes for theories about hollow celestial bodies.   To understands DNA sequence data, you have to understand what DNA does and how it is analysed using computers.

While I would agree that those who do not know the methods and techniques of data analysis, I do not think One "needs" to be a microbiologisst to understand what the data is saying.

I'm a software engineer, I spend prolly way too much time crawling around in peoles databases, from medical, to governent, insurance , industrial, scientific, virtually any database you can iagine. I create reports and build tools for science and industry to extract and understand the data they have collected.

And, I have loked specifically at DNA data in an attempt to denstrate that particular DNA samples might not be terrestrial...daunting task.

I think there will be several "indicators" as to thether this wee beast is ET or not, based on early DNA data. In my expirence, this creature should be very close to "Human", his genome doesn't need to vary ore than 1% or so to make him non-human.

Unfortunately, non-human is as far as it can go! There is no possible method / way to Greer or anyone to prove it "extraterrestrial" at this time.

[Anynonmouses]

And then there are those, such as myself, who have had first-hand encounter(s) with beings NOT from Earth, and exactly how can a third party prove or disprove what I state? Exactly--you can't, but I have my knowing. The rest (as far as I'm concerned) are merely playing CATCH UP with their "facts" and figures.

Scientists understand exactly as much about DNA and its purposes as they understand about electricity, which can also not be quantified exactly at our present time. The notion that only scientists are privy to truths that I, a relative layman, have had for many years already is--and forgive me, but--laughable.

Make of the data what you will. Everyone else is going to. That's what human beings do. If we all agreed with one another Earth might well be a boring planet.



Peace and Love,
JD

[Pimander]

Unfortunately, non-human is as far as it can go! There is no possible method / way to Greer or anyone to prove it "extraterrestrial" at this time.

Precisely - if the genetic material was "normal" DNA.

However the genetic material may not be DNA in an alien.  In fact it is an assumption that an alien might have DNA.

Even on Earth some viruses genetic material is RNA and in prion diseases (e.g. BSE) the heritable genetic material is actually protein and they do not have DNA.  Why assume DNA is universal?

If it is 1% different to human then it is approximately as homologous to Homo sapiens sapiens as a chimp.  95% would make it as similar as a pig.  If a monkey, likely ~97%.

What would make me think it is likely extraterrestrial would be if the DNA or similar genetic material was, perhaps subtly or even radically, BIOCHEMICALLY DIFFERENT in a way that makes it possible for the species to reproduce and code but probably evolved differently.  That would make it very likely "alien" whether it has a common origin to terrestrial life (panspermia or directed panspermia) or not.  It would also mean hybrids might not be possible in the manner imagined by many as their would not be genetic compatibility.



In all honesty, if the "alien" has DNA identical to ours, it is likely terrestrial, which is precisely why it looks like a hominid.

[Pimander]

And then there are those, such as myself, who have had first-hand encounter(s) with beings NOT from Earth, and exactly how can a third party prove or disprove what I state?

They cant prove or disprove it easily.  Neither can you.  It is interesting but just your experience.  If aliens exist then proving it should be the quest of any species who are looking to progress.  If there are intergalactic traders and so on, then humanity can't join the club yet.

Scientists understand exactly as much about DNA and its purposes as they understand about electricity, which can also not be quantified exactly at our present time.

Scientifically speaking, it is an assumption that there is a purpose to DNA.  It has function but may not have purpose.

Make of the data what you will. Everyone else is going to. That's what human beings do. If we all agreed with one another Earth might well be a boring planet.

There is no published data to make anything of is there?  That is a video with fuzzy logic conclusions like, "It isn't human so it is not from Earth" and a person saying they can't find any matches with terrestrial creatures.  Saying something isn't human is not proving it, just like saying the Moon is a hollow space ship is not proving it.  Geddit yet?

It is also easy to give a small tissue sample to other groups to test as you don't need much tissue to get a sample of DNA.  Therefore any results will be easily repeatable.

NO DATA = MORE UNVERIFIABLE STORIES

NOTE TO ALL MEMBERS:  If there is any real data published, let me know.

[Anthra]

Precisely - if the genetic material was "normal" DNA.

However the genetic material may not be DNA in an alien.  In fact it is an assumption that an alien might have DNA.

Even on Earth some viruses genetic material is RNA and in prion diseases (e.g. BSE) the heritable genetic material is actually protein and they do not have DNA.  Why assume DNA is universal?

Even IF the Genetic material was comletely "alien", there is still no reason to suspect it is non-terrestrial, nt until such data, sequencing, ect. is confirmed as extraterrestrial.

Why assume DNA? Hermes. Have you read and studied the Emerald Tablet? Hermes state "As above, so below". Tis is a very owerful and misunderstod stateent. Its simplicity is sublime. Since all complex lifeforms here on Earth rely on DNA, it becomes reasonable to presume that all life does as well. Especially if it originates in an area of similar conditions (if you look at the near space ... 50ly. All of the 'reported' visitors come from a "G" class star, about 4.6 Gyr old ... just like you.
This makes it very reasnable to presume that the lifeforms are very much like Terrestrial Humans, right down to a great similarity in DNA coding. ET is likely to have DNA like yours, but "funny" markers (like me).

If it is 1% different to human then it is approximately as homologous to Homo sapiens sapiens as a chimp.  95% would make it as similar as a pig.  If a monkey, likely ~97%.

What would make me think it is likely extraterrestrial would be if the DNA or similar genetic material was, perhaps subtly or even radically, BIOCHEMICALLY DIFFERENT in a way that makes it possible for the species to reproduce and code but probably evolved differently.  That would make it very likely "alien" whether it has a common origin to terrestrial life (panspermia or directed panspermia) or not.  It would also mean hybrids might not be possible in the manner imagined by many as their would not be genetic compatibility.




In all honesty, if the "alien" has DNA identical to ours, it is likely terrestrial, which is precisely why it looks like a hominid.