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[Anthra]

And then there are those, such as myself, who have had first-hand encounter(s) with beings NOT from Earth, and exactly how can a third party prove or disprove what I state? Exactly--you can't, but I have my knowing. The rest (as far as I'm concerned) are merely playing CATCH UP with their "facts" and figures.

I know all about first-hand expirence with ET. Have a 62 year collection of my own.
People can scoff at our expirence; but they don't understand that everything any of us really have is "Personal Expirence". Everything we do, are, learn, know; is personal expirence.

[Pimander]

Even IF the Genetic material was comletely "alien", there is still no reason to suspect it is non-terrestrial, nt until such data, sequencing, ect. is confirmed as extraterrestrial.

We have no extraterrestrial sequence to confirm it.

Why assume DNA? Hermes. Have you read and studied the Emerald Tablet? Hermes state "As above, so below".

LOL

Pimander is my name!


THE VISION OF HERMES

It chanced once on a time, while I was meditating on the things that are, my thought was raised to a great height, yet my bodily senses had been put under restraint as in sleep, though not such sleep as that of men weighed down by fullness of food or bodily weariness. Methought a Being more than vast, in size beyond all bounds, called out my name and said:

"What would you hear and see, and what have you in mind to learn and know?"

"Who are you?" said I.

"I am the Pymander, Divine Mind of the Sovereignity, the Shepherd of Men. I know what you desire, and I am with you everywhere."

"I long to learn the things that are, " I replied, "and comprehend their nature, and know God. This is what I desire to hear."

"Hold in your mind all you would know," the Shepherd answered back to me, "and I will teach you."


I sympathise on a personal non-scientific way with you completely.  I am slightly more than familiar with the Hermetic material.  Your experiences are not being scoffed at either.  I am posting about the science.  As a SCIENTIST I need more than that.  Simple as that.  Regardless of my spiritual leanings or experiences I may have had with non-human intelligences.

Don't forget who the God of SCIENCE is.  It is an insult to science and the deity of science to not utilise science in pursuit of knowledge.


HERMES: Gr. Myth. the god who serves as herald and messenger of the other gods, generally pictured with winged shoes and hat, carrying a caduceus: he is also the god of science, commerce, eloquence, and cunning, and guide of departed souls to Hades: identified with the Roman Mercury http://www.yourdictionary.com/hermes


We may "know" there are non-human sentient beings in the Universe.  That is different to "proving" they exist.  I hope that explains where I stand a little better.

[petrus4]

Even IF the Genetic material was comletely "alien", there is still no reason to suspect it is non-terrestrial, nt until such data, sequencing, ect. is confirmed as extraterrestrial.

Why assume DNA? Hermes. Have you read and studied the Emerald Tablet? Hermes state "As above, so below". Tis is a very owerful and misunderstod stateent. Its simplicity is sublime. Since all complex lifeforms here on Earth rely on DNA, it becomes reasonable to presume that all life does as well. Especially if it originates in an area of similar conditions (if you look at the near space ... 50ly.

From everything I've seen, DNA is primarily a mechanism for storing (and according to some, transmitting) information about the characteristics of an organism.  Different computers can use some very different operating systems; VMS in particular is deeply strange.  The underlying machine is still a computer, though.

So it does make sense to me that an ET race would probably use something that is at least roughly analogous to what we know as DNA; likely it would simply be that the vocabulary or...syntactic primitives, would be different.  I think they are referred to as base pairs in genetic parlance.

[Pimander]

So it does make sense to me that an ET race would probably use something that is at least roughly analogous to what we know as DNA; likely it would simply be that the vocabulary or...syntactic primitives, would be different.

It's like this.  Languages are different in different cultures and places.  They linguistically share syntactic types and often have letters that look similar.  Languages from alien cultures are rarely so similar as to share the exact same alphabet though.  I fact some read left to right, others right to left, some are in Greek alphabet while others Arabic.  That is why alarm bells ring immediately with most scientists when someone claims they have a DNA sequence from an "alien".

[Amaterasu]

Don't forget who the God of SCIENCE is.  It is an insult to science and the deity of science to not utilise science in pursuit of knowledge.

Pim, I find it amusing that You would claim an insult to something that You cannot prove.  As a skeptic without scientific proof, I would think You would question whether the hypothetical Being, Hermes, can be insulted.

As We have no proof of Deity of any sort - unless One sees Consciousness as "God," in which case EVERY Being is proof, being Deity - We cannot assume an insult.

[Pimander]

Pim, I find it amusing that You would claim an insult to something that You cannot prove.  As a skeptic without scientific proof, I would think You would question whether the hypothetical Being, Hermes, can be insulted.

You're still misunderstanding me I think....

As a scientist I do question it.  Scientifically I can't prove Hermes exists.  On another level I may think entirely differently.

I can see why that might be amusing.  It's a bit like a judge in a court may have to sentence you for murdering someone who is a paedophile.  They might think it is a good thing that the paedophile is dead but when acting as a judge they have to act according to the law.  I might think that Jimi Hendrix is a better guitarist than Eric Clapton.  I can't prove it scientifically though....

[Gigas]

I have to giggle at this circus side show clown act.

Step right up folks! One thin dollar to see the spectacle of a life time.

It makes me want to plant this music video with the good DR Greer singing his song.

[zorgon]

skeptics will demonize the voracity of the little man because evidence doesn't matter to a skeptic who has already taken sides. Skeptics will always need further proof, and rip to shreds any findings which contradict their beliefs. This is the human condition; exceptions are almost unheard of.

BULL CRAP 

Greer is not the 'little man'  and he is laughing all the way to the bank

When Greer first came out with the Disclosure Project I was convinced that here finallay was the real deal... but over the years nothing came of it NOTHING  just some people claiming they would swear in front of congress that their story was true... but they wouldn't give us anything.

Then I found out several of them were outright liars...

Soon Greer changed his tactics and started selling moth hunting trips for a thousand bucks a head to the gullible and is still raking in the cash.

It may be find for believers to sit in a field and have someone convince them they are inside an invisible ethereal spacecraft... but some of us need a little more than such bull crap

It is the age old cry of the blind believer that the skeptic is the shill... but that blind believer, like a lemming, will just believe anything these snake oil salesmen dish out. Look at how much money they made with the 2012 crap... yet when nothing happened did they apologize for being wrong? Did they refund any of that money? No they are simply regrouping to decide the next scam they will perpetrate on a gullible audience

If you want to believe that Greer has a mini alien that has already been admitted to as a hoax years ago (this is just a rehash of an old case) be my guest... but don't expect the rest of us to go "ooooo ahhhhhh alien"

If this was real,  we would not NEED to ask for proof... because the real scientists would be all over it

[A51Watcher]

I might think that Jimi Hendrix is a better guitarist than Eric Clapton.  I can't prove it scientifically though....

Cept Eric himself will tell you it's true! 

[zorgon]

And then there are those, such as myself, who have had first-hand encounter(s) with beings NOT from Earth, and exactly how can a third party prove or disprove what I state? Exactly--you can't, but I have my knowing. The rest (as far as I'm concerned) are merely playing CATCH UP with their "facts" and figures.

Quite true... but on the other hand there are several THOUSAND people who have made up contact stories to get attention....

So that leaves us a quandry... do we just believe any old story that comes along because the story teller says its true?

So why can not ONE person who claims they contact ET all the time just ask them to pose for a photo with them? I mean when I meet interesting or famous people, I ask them to pose for a picture with me or my family. John has done the same over the years... His walls have tons of proof of what he claims...

So why is it that in today's world where everyone carries a cell phone camera we cannot get one ET to pose with those he visited?

[zorgon]

Scientists understand exactly as much about DNA and its purposes as they understand about electricity, which can also not be quantified exactly at our present time. The notion that only scientists are privy to truths that I, a relative layman, have had for many years already is--and forgive me, but--laughable.

What I find laughable is that people will make statements like your and in the same post show a video that says DNA testing was completed and that testing was only done by Greer himself

LMAO  and the picture of him using the Avro Car as a saucer?



Believe what you will....  It seems no one gives a rats ass about any truth or research... any old story will do because the want to believe so badly

Carry on

[Anthra]

I sympathise on a personal non-scientific way with you completely.  I am slightly more than familiar with the Hermetic material.  Your experiences are not being scoffed at either.  I am posting about the science.
As a SCIENTIST I need more than that.  Simple as that.  Regardless of my spiritual leanings or experiences I may have had with non-human intelligences.

Don't forget who the God of SCIENCE is.  It is an insult to science and the deity of science to not utilise science in pursuit of knowledge.

We may "know" there are non-human sentient beings in the Universe.  That is different to "proving" they exist.  I hope that explains where I stand a little better.

Sounds like we are qite alike in some respects. I to demand the rigrs f science, though, in my case it is usually Mathamatics assisted with machine (boolean like) logic.
Still I find the education, training, etc of my Magical and spiritual "self" to be very valuable when considering the science.
I was once told; "Your Magick is a technology, use it as such." Though at times it is more useful or changing things, rather than understanding them. Point is the fundamentals of "esoteric sciences" are just as useful and correct as anything modern science has. Using Heretic rincials to gain a better understand of the unknown (or ET) seems a logical and correct thing to do, where possible.
Likewise using and understanding our own expirences aids us in the understanding of the unknown.
I'm not sure IF One can "prove" ET at this time. I can infere that ET exists rather easily though. And get some rather strong probabilities.

[Somamech]

If I have learnt anything over the year's.. and especially since the web was a part of every day life is that it seem's the like's of Greer and Stanton Friedegg-Man work hand in hand. 

One take's the side of the one extreme and the other knocks it out.  And reality is neither share any expert experience in either area other than to confuse matter's more than they already are confused for people like myself who know what they saw or experienced. 

That is NOT Scientific Study on both count's. 

[zorgon]

Giants & Little Aliens
Chile Alien
Date:    11-09-06
Host:    George Noory
Guests:    Steve Quayle, Dannion Brinkley

Author Steve Quayle spoke about a small 'alien' found in Chile and also shared his latest research on giants. The remains of a creature, a mere six inches tall, was found in a part of Chile known for petrified trees and mineralization, he reported. It came to his attention through an "exobiologist," Ramon Navia-Osorio. Interestingly, Quayle said that there've been live sightings of such beings in Colombia, just two months ago-- and that an outbreak of illness was associated with their appearance.

Similar tiny creatures were drawn by Shoshone and Crow Indians andreports and legends of them span the globe, said Quayle, who theorized that earth changes may have caused such entities and spirits to be loosed upon us.

On the other end of the spectrum, there is both modern and ancient evidence for giants, with skeletons ranging from 17 to 19 ft. and beyond, Quayle contended. According to Pravda,Professor Ernst Muldashev conducted an expedition to Syria, Lebanon and Egypt and found the graves of giants.Quayle believes that many of the giants were the cannibalistic offspring of the Fallen Angels or Nephilim and that these "fearful and ferocious" beings will be returning. For more on giants including illustrations, view this special page.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2006/11/09













So as I said  OLD NEWS

What's even funnier is that free_spirit posted that at ATS too  and free_spirit is none other that Jamie Muassan's right hand man Santiago Garza

Yawl have been HAD

Screw real reseaerch  who needs it when ya have a good story

[zorgon]