I need some brainpower looking at this

[Caver78]

From the top.... Over many years I've noticed that " something" is BSing humankind.
In looking at Channelers, Alien Contactee's and Bigfoot Contactee's ( habituators) I've found a common thread and would like some input.

I'm looking at this thru the prism of psychology, human psychology to be precise. In doing so I'm convinced we are being expertly manipulated by "something", what that something is is what I'm trying to determine. Be it Aliens, disembodied entities or maybe just a big black hole in ourselves.

To be clear, I'm NOT saying Aliens, Bigfoot or Enlightened Entities don't exist. I don't care if they do or don't, that isn't the conversation. How many dimensions or what kind of being's they house also isn't the conversation. Neither is what we as humans need to prompt us to spiritually evolve.



Part I


1)BF's tell people they are "special" the BF's are here to help us and guide us.....yadda...yadda....they come from the stars, they are our elder brothers....

2) they do this taylored to each person's individual "achillies heels"" If you are a raving christian they tell you they are sent from God, they let you assume they are either fallen angels, or actual angels...the whole spiel....You get a wad of bullcrap
based on your own beliefs.

3) if you are non-christian they can go that route too! (facepalm)

If you listen to what people are saying, put it in the context of is this healthy? Is it manipulative? Just basically actually LOOK AT IT and get to know the person you see very easily it's some kind of con. This is why I said look at Matt Johnson....he's a raving X-tian ( shorhand for christian) and he sucked up their line of shit an ran with it....he DOESN'T QUESTION



Now......onwards.....
We found out that if you don't fall for the first load of manure they dish out they will change the story! ......and keep changing it till they hit on something that you will fall for. In looking at to what purpose it's to disable your critical thinking skills and get you to go with the flow.  Whatever that is for THEM, the BF, or Aliens, or alleged Enlightenened Masters.
(master's of WHAT ? goes curiously unanswered)

OH YEAH......and the insisting the person involved NEVER TALK about any of it......well...in my mind only abusers play that nonsense.....they sweet-talk you, then isolate you.....uh huh.....it's amazing how smart and savvy people will withdraw from their families and human society for this BS, when if a human approached them doing this they would just walk away.
However the allure of being so special you not only saw a BF (Alien, Enlightened Being) but are engaging it just makes them idiots.
David Koresh, Charles Manson, Jim Jones, that ET Cult who all were waiting for the mothership?
All classic cases, but when a person falls into this individually is it really any different?
No...it isn't, it just go's unnoticed,keeping red flags from being raised.

So we are experiencing a "culling" using our own psychology against us. Whether it's commiting suicide, or disengaging from our own society it's a "CULLING"" make no mistake.

I can't say that's all a person's fault, the BF use emotions to hook their message on to, as do apparently aliens or Enlightened BeingsThey can blow massive amounts of caring and love at you and after awhile it's like a drug, the person is completely hooked. Anyone who disagrees with them just gets shut out. I will also say if the any of the three types withdraw, you will go thru a physical withdrawl.
So there is definately some kind of biological thing going on....

Part II

Now look at people who channel ET's or Ra.....( just used Ra as an example)
they are initially told the same things....they were chosen....they were picked to help humankind, the whole ball of wax.I know and I will assume you know you couldn't get a straight answer out of a channeled ET if you held a gun to it's head.It's all 5th density twaddle....ect...the messages are couched in dimensional BS to specifically re-route your thinking processes. Same with Enlightened Masters....same with BF, altho they seem to depend more on their physical presence to disengage your brain.

Very deliberate.....you get 1/2 info wrapped in extential bullshit and then the person runs out and they have their own following.....just ridiculous. There is no real reason a legit ET couldn't just tell you straight up I can't tell you something, or explain how and why they are here.

However....we fall for the love and light song and dance,  just assume anything that can build a interstellar ship is smarter than us, or beneveloent that we disengage our brains.


Part III
Alien Contactee's....Just look at guys like Whitley Streiber....
If you've read his books you can watch the process from the Grays initial visits and his very appropriate fear, give way to them talking him into prostelizing THEIR MESSAGE. The psychological process is laid out in his books, IF.....IF you are looking for it.

How many Alien contactee's have been told they are "special""?? How many get emotions of kindness & ""big brother" handed to them?? Right before they start espousing their "guides" alien buddy's, message to everyone who will listen??


In all 3 cases our emotions are used to manipulate us, in all 3 cases you are cut from the herd, isolated, propagandized, converted, and THE MESSAGES ARE THE SAME!!!!

this is what I am refering to in the speech patterns....all 3 use "circle speak" you are given a possible grain of truth, extranious BS is added to disengage your automatic defences and in each instance the person affected jumps to assumptions, which works for whatever is actually behind all this.

Now....

1) get in a ET's face about anything and you are told "your species isn't evolved enough" or better yet you'll understand as you spiritually grow...

REALLY!!! that's just a shuck and jive, it redirects a human to feel "less than"" an we hork it down like a bag of dorito's!!!
However the questions are never answered....it's always....later....just wait....we'll tell you when we're ready...we'll tell you when you're ready...

The same happens to people dealing with bigfoot, the same with channelers. The other simularities are humans a lot of times are approached by all 3 groups of entities when they are asleep....or unsuspecting....you defenses are already down and you are automatically disorientated. Very easy to manipulate....to have your perceptions altered.

All 3 groups play heavily on our inborn desire to be better than we are and our willingness to be handed the answers rather than working for them.

I'm just trying to get people to LOOK AT THIS!!!
maybe in the looking some answers will emerge....I'm not saying people didn't experience what they did in all three cases, just that it's suspiciously unkosher behavior.

We all know the behavior underneith the surface is standard cult-leader crap....but dress it in a nordic alien image....dress it in a 12 ft tall hominin.....dress it in a enlightened being coming to help humanity and our brains drop out our butts.
I don't think we as humans are that stupid to drink the Koolaide of whoever is behind this.

Not to mention we're here on earth, living the HUMAN EXPERIENCE....for good or bad. Something or some entity diverting us from our "thing'' is curious.  Regardless if we were sent here to this planet as prisoners, are someones lab experiment or just born here doing our own thing....

SOMETHING is messing with us. I'd like to know what, who, why.

[Ellirium113]

This happens when you read something, watch something etc. EVERYTHING influences your experiences and your emotional affinity to it. There are cases of UFO abductees that have NOTHING pleasent or good to say about their experiences where do they fit in?

[Caver78]

Well they are sort of an exception since that is usually a straight up kidnapping.

But....if you want to factor them in, it's not unheard of for BF to kidnap people as well. Really in that case only Channelers would be exempt.  I have massive empathy for abductee's as it's against their will.

[1Worldwatcher]

SOMETHING is messing with us. I'd like to know what, who, why.

Well, Emotions are implemented outward reaction's, there for 'Nothing' can 'Make' you feel 'Anything' if 'You' don't allow it to affect your perception's. You, me, we have more conscientious control than you give yourself credit for, 'You' have too understand what comes from where as far as 'Information given' and 'Reaction response's' no one can make you 'Feel' angry, you allow yourself to 'Become' angry. No one can can make you feel belittled or small/insignificant, you allow yourself too believe it as truth. etc. etc. etc.

It is all about 'How You' are capable of understanding 'Accountability' with in the emotional structure of things presented to you. We as a species are always going to have the 'Automatic Response' syndrome, but, if one can validate it's time and place, for every case scenario, then the 'Corrective Thought Processes' begin to be the norm.

Keep in mind, I do understand what you are conveying here, but it is not these influences that are the cause with in such people, places and things, it is the individuals inability to translate any given information into the questionable state of reality,  This is not your burden, it is our's, the people around you with in such effects of 'Unawareness' and 'Inabilities' of good self deduction and understanding exactly how much power you truly have, for you have been apparently affected by these event's, and yet you hinder your own progress within 'Self realization' that it is 'You' allowing 'Yourself' too Feel this way.

It has nothing to do with Bigfoot, nothing to do with ET's, nothing to do with anything that involves you, it is how you are perceiving these events and can't personally accept them, or deal with them, there by leaving you subject too your own mental anguish and inability of understanding that all this has nothing to do with you as the blame, it has everything to do with you in the accountability of allowing it to get to you in the first place.

Changing your mind is easy, changing your thought perceptions is just as easy, trying to change another persons ides or thoughts? Forget about it!! It is not your job to do so, but educate them on the emotional parts, and let them take it from there.

I agree that abductions, Bad Bigfoot encounters and being swindled by your neighborhood preacher are all traumatic event's, but you have the initial ability of deductively realizing who or what is the 'Accountability' with in these case scenario's, and if you are insightful enough t catch it, you can save yourself a tonne of worry over nothing, provided you make the 'Right Choices' too proceed with in such self enlightenment of 'True Understanding' with in the 'Accountability' of your own actions or perception's.

Be well Caver78, this has a lot to do about nothing, unless 'You' allow it too.

With Great Respect,
1Worldwatcher

[Eighthman]

I've been thinking about the very matters you bring up - and you raise some fair points.

If you have any experience with RV or psychic matters generally, you know that it's extremely difficult to distinguish a solid message from a self generated fantasy or personal interpretation.  In Remote Viewing, this may be referred to as 'analytical overlay'.

So, these messages are chock full of wild fantasy.  However, I think there may be some truth in their common themes.  Perhaps this is because the channelers are like broken radios or receivers that pick up a signal full of distortion and static.  Anyhow,  in RV, you get separate people to view a place and see if they come up with the same answers.  So, .....

Let's look at the common elements of these narratives:

The world is dominated by a shadowy 'Cabal' - banks, corporations, secret societies and so on.  The governments are largely a facade.

This Cabal wants to hold on to power by any means,  often psychopathically - but is losing its grip on the world.

A New Age awaits us if we can break the suppresion of alien technology that the Cabal has - especially free energy and antigravity.

We need to let go of divisions and hate and fear and embrace a oneness of mind that takes us to the next level of evolution.  We are approaching a moment in history that will quickly change nearly everything on earth.

In addition to channelers, much of the above is echoed by researchers like Dolan and Greer.

I believe it is possible to interpret the trends of recent history in light of the above, in a manner that would not allow for alternative explanations.

One more thing:  Have you noticed that alien encounters or UFO sightings are culturally modulated around the earth?  These incidents seem to be much bolder in 3rd world countries than the US in particular.  This (again) suggests a Unified collective purpose and program of exposure by extraterrestrials.

For example, if the reported airport buzzing by UFOs in China had occured here, I think it would stir up panic.

[Ellirium113]

This Cabal wants to hold on to power by any means,  often psychopathically - but is losing its grip on the world.

To whom? This loss of grip on the world is also a fallacy. They do not reliquish power. Can prisoners in maximum security prison "WILL" their way to freedom?

A New Age awaits us if we can break the suppresion of alien technology that the Cabal has - especially free energy and antigravity.

Our society is based on individuality and self preservation. This would require either a massive mind control project or a genetic manipulation of the masses to get beyond our self-centered ways of life.

We need to let go of divisions and hate and fear and embrace a oneness of mind that takes us to the next level of evolution.  We are approaching a moment in history that will quickly change nearly everything on earth.

Religion "A" says that is a great idea while religion "B" will condemn this. In order for everyone to be on the same page religions as a whole must either be amalgamated or wiped out.

[Eighthman]

The Cabal's fall might be seen as simply the triumph of decentralization thru technology.  Power flows away from governments and banks and towards common people.  Free energy would be devastating to centralized control of populations.  This is not a new idea - it has even been predicted by science fiction plots in the past.

The TBTF Banks are losing profitability as mass markets dry up.  Wall Street is beginning to question their need to exist and shareholders may find more value if they broken up.

The Internet snuck up on those in control, who underestimated its power - and who are now upset at its ability to undermine the controlled media.  Viewing of national TV news is giving way to the internet - which lacks the domination of the 5-6 corporations that control what's reported.

Don't take my word for it - consider the words of retiring Jay Rockefeller who lamented the very existence of the internet recently.

[zorgon]

This Cabal wants to hold on to power by any means,  often psychopathically - but is losing its grip on the world.

To whom? This loss of grip on the world is also a fallacy. They do not reliquish power. Can prisoners in maximum security prison "WILL" their way to freedom?

One thing that almost everyone forgets is that those you call the "Illuminati" are NOT all evil. The USA was founded by Rosicrucians/Masons that had the intent and ideal to create a place where FREEDOM really meant something... It wasn't until 1914 when the evil "Cabal" again took a foothold
Today their are many "Secret Societies" the TRUE Illuminated ones... that fight for the good of humanity. 

Both these forces are pretty equal in power... sometimes the evil side holds sway, other times the good rises up to the top again

But I will make one point VERY CLEAR 

All the internet and forum talk speaking of the cabal, the illuminati etc and constantly talking about the EVIL side... gives them power and existance.

If all that energy was put into supporting the good side... the TRUTH and the side for freedom... things would change.

As long as people are focusing on the negative entities... even by just speaking against them, all that though energy is directed for their gain  while the good side gets lost in the Shadows

I have tried in my years to educate people on the difference between the bad "Illuminati" and those that work for the good.  But few listen... few bother to find out the truth...

It is just easier to jump on the band wagon and attack all those evil "Illuminati" and then pat yourself on the back that you did some good...

AS LONG AS YOU FOCUS ON THE EVIL... THE EVIL GAINS STRENGTH

So okay next week I will do my thread on who/what I think is behind the blocks

[Back]

Z
My friend that is so spot on that I give you back your gold if I can figgure out how to do it.

Bless Back

[robomont]

i second the motion .z hit it pretty good.

i do believe in the culling part though.
avoid religion and only watch the msm for laughs.
pegasus pretty much has the answers and as a bonus we got a pretty good handle on world events so it makes it my personnal favorite site.

that almost sounded cult like? oh great zorgon...

[Littleenki]

that almost sounded cult like? oh great zorgon...

Cue the Mothership.....

And don those sneakers folks!

Your post is rather accurate in many ways Caver, and if it went off the mark here or there, well nobody's perfect..well said overall.

We should be concerned with who is running what, and how they act in our best interest at all times, not be any more an apathetic populace which assumes that someone else will do what needs to be done.

Zorgon, you know Ill be looking for that thread....

Cheers!
Le

[Caver78]

AS LONG AS YOU FOCUS ON THE EVIL... THE EVIL GAINS STRENGTH

the evil cabel = isn't specific ,nebulous at best. Human? Non-human?

focusing on the evil, or negative = same thing. Who, what, where? Don't give me symptoms, give me specific's.

As WorldWatcher said we have choices...
But who, or what pulled those evil entities strings? Who used them to give us those choices?

Big questions I don't expect to be answered in my lifetime. However....by keeping Alien Researcher/Contactee's specialized....keeping Bigfooter's isolated....Not analyzing the speech patterns, actual way that language is used and twisted with the Channelers we're missing something right in front of our faces.

UFO's are seen as well as their energy signatures, BF leave tracks and hair, Contactee's have physical injuries...SOMETHING is interacting with us in the physical. Whether I choose to engage or not it doesn't negate that it's happening and is ongoing.
AND it's using us  individually against ourselves. It has the ability to "screen"", alter our perceptions and use our own psyche against us.

So who or what is it?
Wazzup with keeping us at odds with each other? This is where our indivduality becomes our collective achille's heel. Human or non-human interference as it maybe,  we're pulling a tower of Babel instead of getting to the meat and potato's.

I came for the beef!!

Somewhere in Zorgon's FOIA's or files.....John Lears experience....Deuem's creativity...WorldWatcher's
overview, Elliriium's curiosity  and the rest of the members  genius we can pull a rabbit out of our hat.
There is one voice behind all this and it's past time we quit grabbing the easy answers and got on with it.

Thanks Littleennki it's rough I know, but I did sprain several braincells working on it.
Robomont, and Back I don't know your expertise, but we need everyone!!

[Eighthman]

An excellent post, Zorgon.

After watching Sirius, I thought about this too.  I know a private library (a sort of new age spa) that is loaded with books on UFOs donated by Laurence Rockefeller. He has gotten to Hillary Clinton with the Disclosure Now message ( in private).

It is human nature to demonize one's opponents - they're ugly, cannabalistic, heartless, etc.  The truth is more complicated.  I believe Buddha understood this very well.

BUT I HAVE ONE QUESTION !!!!

It seems that we are called upon by various New Age/UFO/Channeler authorities to believe that merely exposing and believing the truth is enough to change the world deeply.   More people that 'Awaken' somehow solves the Big Problems.

But how?
How do we change things without violence?  Does exposure eventually numb people into hopeless cynicism?

I don't want to invest in a Mosin-Nagant or 3-D created AR-15.  I sincerely want hope apart from reactionary measures that involve bullets. 

Like Sandman pointed out in Hell ( Neil Gaiman),  hope trumps all.  Gimme some, please.

[The Seeker]

As always, on the Mark, Viceroy Z...

I will have to use the analogy of Yodi and the Jedi ; we are luminous beings, dual in nature as we both have the light and dark side within us; it is up to us to choose and utilize the truth and goodness to over power the baser, darker side...

may I also suggest that most of what is out there that decries the illuminated (awakened) ones as being of the dark side is disinfo, designed to stir the pot and keep Joe Sixpack from even considering searching out the reality behind most things, content to absorb the babble and bovine feces rampant upon the air waves, television, and the internet...

We create our own reality; focus on the good, the truth of things, focus within and know thy self; anger and hatred feed the darkside, passion blindly exercised against what is perceived as the "enemy" feeds it also; anything we do that is negative begats negativity...


seeker

[deuem]

Deuem checking in and thanks for the kudos!..

This kinda of topic is a little out of line with my work but is very interesting to read all of the different points of view. If there is ever anything I can process for you, let me know and I will give it a shot.

I would agreed that it looks like the puppet masters are pulling the strings for most of the world. How to cut them strings? That is a good question. People in power like to stay there. It is what they do. I often think that even if we all had free power and no governments and much smaller countries, it would somehow start all over again. Power is power! Like energy, it is impossible to destroy. Someone wants to be in charge!  Deuem