Interesting List of Respected People Who Affirm the Existence of UFOs

[rdunk]

This is a CNN iReport that has a Feb. 2010 date on it. While some of you may have seen this before, I had not, and maybe others here also have not. It is quite a long list, and there are many names on it that almost all of us will recognize. Can't vouch for its accuracy, but some on it we do already know about...............!

I would just copy it here, but as I said, it is very long, even with just a list of names with descriptions.

Just FYI !

[karl 12]

Rdunk, good post mate and I hadn't seen that particular CNN list before -there are statements from some of the names listed here and Mikhail Gorbachev's name also pops up - he's alleged to have said this in an interview for 'Soviet Youth' magazine on May 4th, 1990 but I can't find a copy anywhere.

"The phenomenon of UFOs does exist, and it must be treated seriously."

Mikhail Gorbachev,
Premiere of the Soviet Union.

Cheers!

[Cosmic4life]

Un-identified Flying Objects...UFO's.....Exist....wow really ?

What ? ..What are you saying ? This is like a list of people affirming the existence of the Moon ! .. I can see that ... look up .. there it is.

Well ...the key word is Un-identified....Many new and unusual things are known only by those whose create them...to others they are Un-known...Un-identified.....

It would appear that at some time in history the word Un-identified has been co-opted by some to infer Alien/ET in origin.

A list of Respected people affirming the existence of UFO's is completely meaningless and of no value whatsoever....96% of the Universe is Un-identified....a list of respected people affirming that is equally meaningless.

Such lists as these only serve to undermine properly grounded researchers....these lists serve the Lemming/Herd mentality and the ET belief system and those who pitch such stories to divert attention away from the more Earthly reality.

C...

[karl 12]

Un-identified Flying Objects...UFO's.....Exist....wow really ?

Yes really - here's a good statement about the definition of the term and the 'mis-interpretation of the phenomenon' taken from Dr Hynek's statement at the United Nations Hearings on November 27th, 1978:

"I refer, of course, to the phenomenon of UFOs... Unidentified Flying Objects... which I should like to define here simply as "any aerial or surface sighting, or instrumental recording (e.g., radar, photography, etc.) which remains unexplained by conventional methods even after competent examination by qualified persons."

You will note, Mr. Chairman, that this definition says nothing about little green men from outer space, or manifestations from spiritual realms, or various psychic manifestations. It simply states an operational definition. A cardinal mistake, and a source of great confusion, has been the almost universal substitution of an interpretation of the UFO phenomenon for the phenomenon itself".

Dr J Allen Hynek, Chairman of the Department of Astronomy at Northwestern University and scientific consultant for Air Force investigations of UFOs from 1948 until 1969 (Projects Sign, Grudge and Blue Book).

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Well ...the key word is Un-identified....Many new and unusual things are known only by those whose create them...to others they are Un-known...Un-identified.....

There's another relevant statement in this book taken from the man who actually coined the term 'UFO' where he discusses the classification status of an actual unknown and describes how the reports had to come from competent observers, contain a reasonable amount of data and be subjected to exhaustive investigation so I'd say many of these reports really do deserve their status.

The identification of known objects was routine, and caused no excitement. The excitement and serious interest occurred when we received UFO reports in which the observer was reliable and the stimuli could not be identified.... Of the several thousand UFO reports that the Air Force has received since 1947 [through ~1957], some 15 to 20 percent fall into this category called unknown. This means that the observer was not affected by any determinable psychological quirks and that after exhaustive investigation the object that was reported could not be identified. To be classed as an unknown, a UFO report also had to be "good," meaning that it had to come from a competent observer and had to contain a reasonable amount of data.... [Any report lacking sufficient data, like the stereotypical distant-light-in-the-sky report], if it was received by Project Blue Book, was stamped "Insufficient Data for Evaluation" and dropped into the dead file, where it became a mere statistic."

Captain Edward J. Ruppelt - Chief of Project Blue Book

The findings of Bluebook Special Report 14 also stated how 'the better the quality of the sighting report, the more likely it was unexplainable'; that 'UNKNOWNS were observed for longer than KNOWNS' and that less than 2% of reports fell in the hoax category so it's all very interesting.

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Not to keep going on about it but the Craig papers also state that the true number of unexplained UFO cases in the Condon report was 50% (not 30%) and apparently about 30 or 40 per cent of Bluebook cases may have been 'miscategorized' by the USAF as 'identified' and the true number of credible cases grossly underestimated - hardly surprising when you look at the almost criminal way many truly puzzling UFO incidents were 'explained away' by the U.S. Government and the fact that the Bluebook team from the 1960's went back and substituted official summary cards for unexplained cases 'to reduce the number of unknowns at any cost'.

"Much more disturbing are the indications from my limited review of BB cases that there may be as many as possibly 4,000 Unexplained UFO cases miscategorized as IFO's in the BB files. McDonald similarly stated in 1968 at his CASI lecture that from his review of BB cases he estimated that 30-40% of 12,000 cases were Unexplained, or about 3,600 to 4,800. These are mostly military cases and many involve radar".

Comprehensive Catalog of 1,600 Project BLUE BOOK UFO Unknowns

It would appear that at some time in history the word Un-identified has been co-opted by some to infer Alien/ET in origin.

Well there's been plenty of extremely strange and unexplained UFO/USO cases over the years and there's plenty of reasons to take the subject seriously but you're not wrong about there being alien connotations - there are a few theories about origin (ET/ED/CT etc..) but here's Doc Hynek again making a relevant point about 'a horse in a bathtub' - I guess all a person can do is look at the raw data and speculate.

Horse in a bathtub:

In considering extra-terrestrial intelligence, said Dr. Hynek, we may be putting the cart before the horse. As a humorous example, he added:

"'Speaking of horses, suppose someone comes here and tells us... there is a report of a horse in the bath tub. I think it would be rather pointless to then ask, what is the color of the horse, what does he eat, how could he have gotten there, who who installed the bath tub? The question is, IS there a horse in the bath tub?

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A list of Respected people affirming the existence of UFO's is completely meaningless and of no value whatsoever....

I wouldn't say the list has 'no value whatsoever' -it contains the names of a lot of influential and credible people and may actually wake up the average Joe sixpack who just thinks the UFO subject is a load of silly nonsense -just take these three statements from different Directors of the CIA: 

"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense."
Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.


"Maximum security exists concerning the subject of UFOs."
CIA Director, Allen Dulles, 1955.


"It is my view that this situation has possible implications for our national security which transcend the interests of a single service. A broader, coordinated effort should be initiated to develop a firm scientific understanding of the several phenomena which apparently are involved in these reports..." (1952 memorandum to the National Security Council.)
General Walter Bedell Smith, Director of the CIA from 1950-53

..those who pitch such stories to divert attention away from the more Earthly reality.

There are quite a few UFO cases out there that have puzzled a lot of people for a very long time mate and below are just a few of them.

Can you elaborate on your comment about on 'Earthly reality'?

The Edwards Air Force Base UFO Incident

The Coyne Incident

The Tehran Incident

The Colares Incident

The Portage County Incident

The Shag Harbour Incident

The RAF Boulmer Incident

The Little Rissington UFO Incident

The Gosford Incident

The Minot AFB Incident

The Bariloche UFO Incident

The US Coastguard Lake Erie UFO Incident

The Bethune case

The Davis-Monthan AFB UFO Incident

The Red Bluff UFO Incident

The Holland Michigan UFO Incident

The Lake Tequesquitengo UFO Incident

The Tocopilla UFO/USO Incident

The Umm Alaish Oilfield UFO Incident

The Harold E. Holt US Naval Station UFO Incident

The Mellen Wisconsin UFO Incident

The Kirtland Air Force Base UFO Incident

The Captain W. J. Hull UFO Incident

The Manchester Airport UFO Incident

The La Joya Military Base UFO Incident

[Pimander]

from Dr Hynek's statement at the United Nations Hearings on November 27th, 1978:

"I refer, of course, to the phenomenon of UFOs... Unidentified Flying Objects... which I should like to define here simply as "any aerial or surface sighting, or instrumental recording (e.g., radar, photography, etc.) which remains unexplained by conventional methods even after competent examination by qualified persons."

You will note, Mr. Chairman, that this definition says nothing about little green men from outer space, or manifestations from spiritual realms, or various psychic manifestations. It simply states an operational definition. A cardinal mistake, and a source of great confusion, has been the almost universal substitution of an interpretation of the UFO phenomenon for the phenomenon itself".

Dr J Allen Hynek, Chairman of the Department of Astronomy at Northwestern University and scientific consultant for Air Force investigations of UFOs from 1948 until 1969 (Projects Sign, Grudge and Blue Book).

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{Emphasis Pimander's}

It is true that the definition says nothing about high strangeness.  That statement ignores the fact that many unexplained UFO cases also have elements of "manifestations from spiritual realms, or various psychic manifestations" and in some cases humanoids.


Jacques Vallee (right) with his mentor Allen Hynek (left)

Jacques Vallee (who Dr Hynek mentored and co-authored with) has filled books with examples of high strangeness UFO cases so any UFOlogist who ignores them ignores vast amounts of the material available.

The answer to the UFO question cannot ignore these cases.  There is likely more than one answer to the UFO question and high strangeness needs explaining by at least one.

Don't forget who Hynek was working for at the time of that speech! 

[Cosmic4life]

Can you elaborate on your comment about on 'Earthly reality'?

I could .. but I cannot .. so I will not. 

C..

[ArMaP]

The only problem I see with that list is that anyone can make a list like that and post it on CNN's iReport.

[rdunk]

As the OP, I am not skeptical at all about the relative truthfulness of this list. I am sure many knowledgeable UFO'ers can go right down the list, and recognize many of these who from their own experience know the veracity of their names being on the list. If there are a few, or even some on the list that might be questionable, who really cares!!! It is a very very long list of names!

There are some very big name people on this list that have for sure made public statements that support their being on this list!!! Nothing can be said to change that fact, regardless of skeptical question!

[zorgon]

Where is the list of important people affirming the existance of Extra Terrestrials?


Show me that list and we can talk

[rdunk]

Well Z, this is the OP link, and the list is in the link. Now, CNN used the word "respected" in their subject title! 

[zorgon]

Well Z, this is the OP link, and the list is in the link. Now, CNN used the word "respected" in their subject title! 

That is the list of those affirming UFO's...

... I asked for a list of those affirming ET

[rdunk]

Yes, E.T.'s was what you asked for. I am not aware of the existence of such a list, except for the logical fact that "existence of UFO's" would "almost" be the defining parameter for the "existence of E.T.'s".

In my opinion, this list of affirmation of UFO's simply and logically should extend to likewise affirmation of extra terrestrials being naturally involved with the UFO's - doncha think??

Yes, robotics and drone UFO's are possible (still E.T intelligent design), but, for the most part, I don't envision UFO's without E.T.'s controlling them. 

I expect that any serious guy or gal that believes in the existence of UFOs would also believe in the existence of extra terrestrials!

[ArMaP]

Well Z, this is the OP link, and the list is in the link. Now, CNN used the word "respected" in their subject title! 

No, CNN didn't do a thing, they just let their user "oldfromdc" to post that list.

As you can see on the left of the page, the article was "Not vetted for CNN", the iReport area of CNN's site is for anyone to post their stories, those are not CNN articles.

[deuem]

Where is the list of important people affirming the existance of Extra Terrestrials?


Show me that list and we can talk

Short list, Paul Hellyer

[zorgon]

I am not aware of the existence of such a list,

Precisely my point... 

except for the logical fact that "existence of UFO's" would "almost" be the defining parameter for the "existence of E.T.'s".

How so?  90% or higher of UFO reports and sightings turn out to be something else, something mundane...  that leaves maybe 10% that 'might' be ET, hardly 'almost' a "defining parameter"  and in my opinion 80% of those are Plasma critters, 15% black ops craft and 5% the true visitors...

In my opinion, this list of affirmation of UFO's simply and logically should extend to likewise affirmation of extra terrestrials being naturally involved with the UFO's - doncha think??

No  actually I don't

Yes, robotics and drone UFO's are possible (still E.T intelligent design), but, for the most part, I don't envision UFO's without E.T.'s controlling them. 

ET's would control Alien Space craft... the plasma critters are under there own control and local inhabitants . The Drones are more or less under USA control

I expect that any serious guy or gal that believes in the existence of UFOs would also believe in the existence of extra terrestrials!

And there in lies the problem... the fact that UFO has become synonymous with Alien Spacecraft.

But then anyone believing in gods and demons has by default proof of ET anyway...  all those UFO's in the Bible... heck it's littered with them. Must have been very busy with all them saucers flitting about pretending to be gods

See now THAT is a logical extrapolation