Going To Extremes To Make You Get A Flu Shot: When the Government Crosses Lines

[burntheships]

http://hamptonroads.com/2011/12/going-extremes-make-you-get-flu-shot-when-government-crosses-line-between-church-and-state

Thursday, November 17th at 3:30; a conference call on seasonal
flu for "faith and community leaders" was scheduled, and

Conspicuously, the end of the invitation read:

"This call is off the record and is not for press purposes" -- but it became public when it showed
up on the HHS website.  http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/12/06/flu-shots-come-to-church.aspx?e_cid=20111206_DNL_art_1   

From Dr. Mercolas site

Fortunately one of our staff was able to get on the call.

Right on Dr. Mercola!

This snippet is taken directly from the HHS website.

As you know, faith and community leaders play an integral
role in helping to keep their communities
and congregations healthy, especially during flu season. As trusted
messengers, you are able to spread important information about
healthy practices and the need for vaccination.

Two specific ways that you can help are to host a seasonal flu vaccine clinic
in your congregation or just remind individuals and families to get vaccinated
through local meetings or informal gatherings

Dr. Mercola described this from the phone conference

As an example, they cited a priest who stopped in the middle of mass to
roll up his sleeve and get vaccinated, inspiring the rest of his parish to
line up behind him.

This leaves me with a very uneasy feeling, why the huge push with this flu vaccine?

Everywhere...Walmart, CVS, the neighborhood drug store too. Now they need to
have undue influence through the chruches? This seems quite over the
top for a vaccine thats been verified to be hardly effective.

For many years, public health personnel have cited the estimate of 70% to 90% when talking about the level of protection afforded by seasonal influenza vaccines. But last week's meta-analysis of flu vaccine studies in The Lancet Infectious Diseases—along with several other studies in recent years—has raised the question of whether it's time to change the message about flu vaccines.

The meta-analysis produced little or no evidence of 70% to 90% efficacy for most population groups. The investigators used strict criteria to focus on the most reliable studies, selecting only those that used laboratory-confirmed or lab-excluded influenza as outcomes, among other stringent requirements.

The authors found that evidence from high-quality randomized controlled trials (RCTs) indicates that flu vaccines have an efficacy of about 59% in adults younger than 65.http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/general/news/nov0411messages.html

And...more here on the dangers and ineffectiveness:

Jefferson and colleagues have published several systematic reviews of existing studies on the efficacy of influenza vaccines. Weighing the data, they conclude that there is insufficient evidence to indicate that flu vaccines reduce infection rates or mortality, even in the elderly. Jefferson, a former British army doctor now based in Rome, spoke with TIME about his quest to spur further research into flu vaccines.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1967306,00.html#ixzz1fmnRpgbM

Apparently, the huge media push, has not been effective enough, so now
they need to to infiltrate churches now?

And, if you dont have a church and just want a free flu shot, yeah theres
plenty of them I just checked on Google.

Something is wrong here, something is very wrong with this scenario.

This is a definite line the Government has crossed, really what happened
to the seperation of Church and State???

[sky otter]

This is a definite line the Government has crossed, really what happened
to the seperation of Church and State???

they are both political bodies...and i've always thought of it as competion not seperation
would be interesting to see how much stock in  big pharma is owned by churches...

[Gigas]

The last time I was enticed with a free flu shot back in 2003 was in the work place. I became horribly sick. That was the last time for that shenanigans.

My last two doctor visits turned into a, you need a flu shot. I said nope, no way, not gonna happen. I had an appointment with the cardiologist and the info taker says to me several times, time for a flu shot and a colonoscopy. I looked at him and said absolutely not.

I told my son to not allow his kids to vaccinated for flu at school. They tried to make it sound like he was breaking the law and he would be charged for refusing. He laughed at them since he was a cop and simply got an exemption available to all who refuse the forced BS for flu vaccines.

[burntheships]

This is a definite line the Government has crossed, really what happened
to the seperation of Church and State???

Yes, and whats even more interesting, the HHS and CDC wanted this
to stay out of the Press. 

This seasonal shot is so ineffective I must believe there is some scam to it...
Eugenics, to keep folks seasonally sick, or...to get shots by the trusted
religious leaders...which could lead to something very nefarious.

[burntheships]

My last two doctor visits turned into a, you need a flu shot. I said nope, no way, not gonna happen.

Good on you mate, I must admit I did the same, and even with the last tetnus
shot I was due. Forget it. I'll take my chances with nature any day.

I like your terms: shenanigans...yes for sure.

I told my son to not allow his kids to vaccinated for flu at school. They tried to make it sound like he was breaking the law

For the seasonal flu shot?  See, I dont see how they can do this at school either.
and even so, how they can claim its the law....wow just wow.

[Somamech]

Yes, and whats even more interesting, the HHS and CDC wanted this
to stay out of the Press. 

This seasonal shot is so ineffective I must believe there is some scam to it...
Eugenics, to keep folks seasonally sick, or...to get shots by the trusted
religious leaders...which could lead to something very nefarious.

Well interesting perspective on all counts. 

Miss Soma  is still getting over a flu that has lasted  1.5 weeks which is not normal.  Getting better now but yeah its not normal even for her who tends to be a person that does get a flu every now and then.   

Back in the day at where I work we had an "active" OHS person (miss those days honestly).  A Great human did organise a flu shot through pretty much his own care and lack of knowledge in the area.  In my own observations which were ofc not that scientific, but it always seemed that the people that got a flu jab were the ones that got a bad flu. 

I kinda assume these people would have got a bad flu regardless.   All in all it would not surprise me that They Make Flu, People who get Flu get it. 

Its Free Energy..Perpetual motion    



   

[sky otter]

yeah some friends of my mom talked her into getting the flu shot..so they went as a little group for sbout 3 years..
every year they all got sick..but just didn't think it was THE FLU.. or the flu shot
it was something else
that was when my mom was late 70's early 80's and i pointed out to her
what i thought and she said ..no way

soooooooo i said hey
just as an experiment don't  get the shot  this year and see what happens

she wasn't sick that year at all but the ones getting the shot were..in varying degrees of symptoms and time

she's looking at 90 and hasn't gotten one since..and has not been sick thur any fall/winter since not getting the shot...

she tells all her friends and fewer of them go every year..

when i worked in the lab some times i would be the only one not lining up..and the only one not getting sick later...not even when the shot folk came to work sick..few of them ever understood the conenction and they all had science/bio jobs ..
still makes me scratch my head

[Somamech]

when i worked in the lab some times i would be the only one not lining up..and the only one not getting sick later...not even when the shot folk came to work sick..few of them ever understood the conenction and they all had science/bio jobs ..
still makes me scratch my head

Me too 

"There's NEW strain of Flu"

"Better get our shots"

"Well that didn't work so we should support *the nutcase science ward who don't make miracles*;  to supply us with a better symptom next year and a better cure .   

   

[Gigas]

For the seasonal flu shot?  See, I dont see how they can do this at school either.
and even so, how they can claim its the law....wow just wow.

Fear factor for obedient compliance.

In the 50s I was vaccinated for the polio scare they created. Polio was not epidemic. They infected millions of kids with the sv40 monkey virus which was cancer in the vaccine. The school I was in had a day setup where everyone was to line up in the auditorium and be shot in the arm with the polio vaccine. I remember some kids bolting from the line and running away from the mass inoculation.

As one of the 50s generation, I can now look forward to cancer taking my life over as the pharmaceutical industry feeds off my medicare life support.

Ironic, take this then to save us from one killer while administering another killer for later on.

[sky otter]

Gigas
I can now look forward to cancer taking my life over as the pharmaceutical industry feeds off my medicare life support.

you get what you think about..so change that thought..PLEASE

i was one of those stand in line kids for the polio shot and then later the sugar cubes
we didn't know we could opt out then..
we do now

cancer is everywhere but partially activated by anger (strees and other triggers)

my morning mantra is:
i have no problems i can't handle - i see beauty in all things - i am grateful and AWESOME

and i abid by that 60's graffitti of

~ if you see someone without a smile - give them one of yours ! ~

life really is what you make it

[burntheships]

Miss Soma  is still getting over a flu that has lasted  1.5 weeks which is not normal. 

I am sorry to hear Miss Soma has been under the weather.
I hope she did not undergo a shot, and if so maybe forgo all
futures.

I am sure they have their ways of spreading these new flu
bugs once they have created them. 

[burntheships]

Sky Otter,

she tells all her friends and fewer of them go every year..

when i worked in the lab some times i would be the only one not lining up..and the only one not getting sick later

Nice to hear that news, I am glad for her to use her smarts. And you too,
I tell ya that last nurse I wouldnt take my tetnas shot with, she was onto me.

[Somamech]

I am sorry to hear Miss Soma has been under the weather.
I hope she did not undergo a shot, and if so maybe forgo all
futures.

I am sure they have their ways of spreading these new flu
bugs once they have created them. 

Ahh tnx BTS!   

Miss Soma is feeling a load better now!  Still a bit of cough but she is on the quick mend now.  Never seen her with this length of flu though which is odd.