The US NonDisclosure Disadvantage

[Eighthman]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-17/diplomatic-escalation-russia-publicly-exposes-cia-station-chief-moscow

The Russians upped the ante by exposing the CIA station chief in Moscow.  They (Putin) seem especially ready to challenge the US.  Sec. of State John Kerry was recently kept waiting for 3 hours and came away looking feeble on Syria.The US also seems subservient to China in regard to North Korea.

Something is wrong.

No one in the mainstream media will say it but I think Russia and China are ready and willing for Disclosure and the US isn't.  This could be a huge disadvantage as it can be used as leverage in politics.

[robomont]

i dont know about disclosure but we are very quickly turning into a second rate country.
our monetery policy is being frowned upon and our military is being portrayed as structurally weak.
the propaganda isnt working on the populace or the governments of the world.
the governments hypocracy is being shown to the world.
china russia realize the stock market is manipulated by he fed.
kerry got his purple heart under false pretences .i cant prove it but a military guy probly tried to kill hillary on her plane and another fellow shot him.the plane dived for oxygen and hillary got a concussion when she hit the roof.the plane made an emergency landing in iran as we were threatening them.iran let them fix the plane and leave secretly.

that would be my guess

[petrus4]

This doesn't have anything to do with UFOs, and disclosure is not mentioned.

What is relevant as far as this story is concerned, is that it quite clearly demonstrates that an international diplomatic revolt against, and ostracision of, the American government is currently underway.  Contrary to what America's advocates will try to claim, this will also ultimately be extremely positive for humanity as a whole.

[undo11]

This doesn't have anything to do with UFOs, and disclosure is not mentioned.

What is relevant as far as this story is concerned, is that it quite clearly demonstrates that an international diplomatic revolt against, and ostracision of, the American government is currently underway.  Contrary to what America's advocates will try to claim, this will also ultimately be extremely positive for humanity as a whole.

unless you live here, then it's more like, aww crap, why can't the internationalists fight their own wars instead of dragging our military around the globe, pissin' people off.

[Eighthman]

The Zerohedge citation concerns the recent spy scandal in Russia, not UFO's, true enough.

And yes, the world will be better off without the US behaving as an empire.

However, how can we go on treating the fact of ET existence as having no effect on politics or relations between nations?  If no other nation will 'go on the record' officially declaring Full Disclosure, then what sort of control does the US exercise over them?  And in the case of crash retrieval in foreign lands, how does the US get involved?

If we say that other nations are asserting true independence from American hegemony in general, then what happens to disclosure specifically?  In the recent past, the Russian PM made a number of remarks about aliens among us, while some people say the Chinese are 'waiting on us' as regards UFO disclosure.
Do they get tired of waiting while UFOs shut down their airports?

At some point, this non-disclosure must become something that 'they hold over our heads' - I can't see how it could be otherwise.  Intuitively, I think this is 'putting two and two together and finding four'.

[starwarp2000]

More likely concerned with what Germany is doing at the present moment than any thing else.
Germany seems to be surrounding Iran on all sides with Military presences and Arms sale to Libya, Egypt, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, Turkey.... and just about every African Nation. They are 'encircling' Iran.
Why?
Easy to understand. They are wholly reliant on Middle East Oil. Therefore they are gathering an Arab World Alliance to countermand Iran's 'Radical' Islam. Therefore Russia (Who want's the oil) and China (Who want's recognition as a Superpower) are both chaffing at the bit over the balance of power change in the Middle East.
While the whole world is focused on other things, Germany is also 'staying' in Afghanistan, to fully encircle Iran!
More likely the reason 'why' nobody cares about American diplomacy anymore, they are 'withdrawing' from it, and the gap is being filled.

[ArMaP]

Therefore Russia (Who want's the oil) and China (Who want's recognition as a Superpower) are both chaffing at the bit over the balance of power change in the Middle East.

Germany gets a third of it's natural gas from Russia.

[Eighthman]

Germany?  They had to borrow a transport plane from Uzbekistan at one point, I recall.  The days of the Wehrmacht are long gone.

The US is still killing people with drones and screwing around in Libya, Syria and elsewhere.  They are retaining bases in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The Pentagon just informed Congress that they have a blank check to intervene as they wish, with no specific permission.  A group of senators is rather upset.
Regardless, the US seems to get no respect...

I believe my point remains.  Non Disclosure is a US weakness, not shared with Russia or China.  In the near future, this weakness may extend to Brazil, France, or the EU generally. Culturally, other nations just don't have a problem with it, to the extent the US does.  It's hard to see how this can go on.

[Littleenki]

i dont know about disclosure but we are very quickly turning into a second rate country.
our monetery policy is being frowned upon and our military is being portrayed as structurally weak.
the propaganda isnt working on the populace or the governments of the world.
the governments hypocracy is being shown to the world.
china russia realize the stock market is manipulated by he fed.
kerry got his purple heart under false pretences .i cant prove it but a military guy probly tried to kill hillary on her plane and another fellow shot him.the plane dived for oxygen and hillary got a concussion when she hit the roof.the plane made an emergency landing in iran as we were threatening them.iran let them fix the plane and leave secretly.

that would be my guess

Youre most likely closer than you know there, Robo....too bad he didnt get her, eh?

Absolutely zero pride in my country at this point...but still I wouldnt like to live in any other place. Soon that might take the turn for the worse though.

Such absurdity we create as humans...

[VillageIdiot]

The US government is as corrupt as any other. Until the hypocrisy ends we'll not gain anyone's respect. We lost the moral high ground and the way back is dark and slow.

[robomont]

heres some things to ponder on the ufo thingy.theres a song out by shiny toy guns.talking japanese is the name.listen to the lyrics .then there is a song out by an icelandic group that has a vid and the vid is kinda a answer that goes with the other song.confusing and strange.the japs have aliens in a base in the trench between them and china.we dont disclose because thats our fallback tech incase of  ww3 or alien invasion.our last big hammer and you never show all your cards.

[robomont]

of monsters and men.little talks is the other vid.great music and video .vid is created by we were monkeys?dont know much about them but they produce great animated vids.

[Eighthman]

I never, never, never would have thought that, one day, I would find myself agreeing with the leaders of Russia and China against what the US is doing - or trying to do- in the world.

You stand back and wonder 'how can they support Al-Queda in Syria? Or why are trying to overthrow the whole Middle East?'.

There is a powerful blog at Activist Post asserting that Obama will survive an infinite number of scandals as long as he guides the country into war with Iran and martial law at home. 

Whatever the case,  Disclosure is somehow a part of the picture....

[starwarp2000]

Germany gets a third of it's natural gas from Russia.

You can't make Petroleum out of Gas!

[starwarp2000]

Germany?  They had to borrow a transport plane from Uzbekistan at one point, I recall.  The days of the Wehrmacht are long gone.

Thank you Neville Chamberlain!