Farside buildings

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

As promised..Again this is just my opinion
Peace..

[hoss58]

As promised..Again this is just my opinion
Peace..

Not sure but I think  there is  something wrong  with the video!! I am going to try the link.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Don't know, it works for me.

[ArMaP]

As you will see, I downloaded the best possible image of 'the spaceship' in photo AS15-P-9625 & 9630. I then found a full size high resolution of the same photos from the LRO.... one is 3 mb the other is 275 mb.....

The image named AS15-P-9625_CENTER_LRG.png (found here) has twice the resolution of that 275 mb image.

As for the difference between the two images you show on the video, it's easy to make the photo look different. Using photo AS15-P-9625_FULL_LRG, I chose the area below. As you say in the video, the terrain looks smooth.


Some levels tweaking in Gimp...


... and we end up with rought terrain.


And no, it doesn't look like a spaceship to me.

PS: here is a list of photos that show that "spaceship"
AS08-13-2256
AS08-14-2446
AS15-M-1037
AS15-M-1038
AS15-M-1039
AS15-M-1040
AS15-M-1041
AS15-M-1333
AS15-M-1334
AS15-M-1335
AS15-M-1336
AS15-M-1337
AS15-M-1338
AS15-M-1579
AS15-M-1580
AS15-M-1581
AS15-M-1582
AS15-M-1583
AS15-M-1720
AS15-M-1721
AS15-M-1722
AS15-M-1723
AS15-M-1724
AS15-P-9625
AS15-P-9630
AS15-P-9632
AS17-P-2806
AS17-139-21284
AS17-M-2170
AS17-M-2171
AS17-M-2172
AS17-M-2805
AS17-M-2806
AS17-M-2807
AS17-M-2808

PPS: the video works.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Yes there are better resolution files than the 275 mb one i used. The one you quoted is over 500 mb and i found it difficult to maneuver around so i used the smaller one. Any photo can be manipulated. That was my point! The one with the spaceship, IMO, has. The other was not.

[deuem]

Yes I wish there were more people looking at/questioning and posting here in this thread. But there are other interest people have such as Foo Fighter Tech, or whatever....

Hello Sarge, I just got to this thread, so many to read to catch up. I see above what might be a request for others to help out. ( we are working on Foo fighters on another thread ) I just finished reading all 19 pages and what a read that was. I am not sure if the Deuem program can shed any light so I will try it several times and not post till I am sure. I grabbed about 10 shots John posted. What you have not seen me post is any work I also do with CAD. I am not a modeler but there are other things to figure out. Size, shape, area, angles, shadows, sun angle and so on. It takes a long time but the results can be fascinating. For instance, last year I used cad and the lunar camera lens to figure out if the Earth in the photo was the right size. That took some time. So I hope I can help. Zorgon has a nice site going here.
Deuem

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Thanks for the post Deuem, it's appreciated. Nice to see someone else here with some Cad experience. The problem I find is that so many photos have been copied and manipulated in some way shape or form that's it difficult to get an accurate measurement on anything. Cad can help. But I use it as a means to illustrate what I see in the photos be it outlines of simple plines or physically modeling something. I welcome yours and and other criticisms, suggestions and or input....

Peace

[deuem]

Sarge, just for fun, I just ran this photo below in Deuem.  I am not going to post the work up, just the ideas. Similar to when you guys read photos, I try to read deuem. When I ran it, there were sections that pooped out to me. They would not to anyone else. I have circled the areas in green. If any one can do their thing on those areas and let me know if I am am just seeing things or truly seeing things it would help.  The little round crater on the left bothered me the most and two of the other circled areas seemed to have been brushed. So this is my first test, I hope I pass. If not back to the cad.


Till later,
Deuem

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Sarge, just for fun, I just ran this photo below in Deuem.  I am not going to post the work up, just the ideas. Similar to when you guys read photos, I try to read deuem. When I ran it, there were sections that pooped out to me. They would not to anyone else. I have circled the areas in green. If any one can do their thing on those areas and let me know if I am am just seeing things or truly seeing things it would help.  The little round crater on the left bothered me the most and two of the other circled areas seemed to have been brushed. So this is my first test, I hope I pass. If not back to the cad.


Till later,
Deuem

No your not seeing things. There are all kinds of stuff going on here. John sent me some pretty good photos of this and I've started to work on it but got pulled away on something else.


here:



and here:

[deuem]

Ok Sarge, but so far the area you have is not the same as the area I circled. Maybe it is best If you finish what you see and then circle the photo with your areas and I will run it again and see what I missed. This is not easy with such a large B&W photo.  If there is anyway I could figure it out I could pin point everything in one pass. But don't hold your breath. It might mean Deuem 5 or call it Deuem Moon or B&W. Hey, you try, I try. We both try.
Deuem

[1Worldwatcher]

Hello everyone.
Deuem,
Have you ever used your method with video? I am not sure how that would work, but there seems to be some very strange video's of anomalies on the moon as well.
Though I do not fully understand what I am looking at or looking for with your technique, I think it would be pertinent to ask you if you can perform this technique with video for furthering our thread here.
I am asking you the same thing Sgt. If it is possible, what steps can we do as contributors to get the evident shots to to bring to the table for discussion, or can we do this at all with current set up of CAD applications?
Just a pondering thought guy's and gals....

1Worldwatcher

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Ok Sarge, but so far the area you have is not the same as the area I circled. Maybe it is best If you finish what you see and then circle the photo with your areas and I will run it again and see what I missed. This is not easy with such a large B&W photo.  If there is anyway I could figure it out I could pin point everything in one pass. But don't hold your breath. It might mean Deuem 5 or call it Deuem Moon or B&W. Hey, you try, I try. We both try.
Deuem

It's from the same photo. I just showed you the area I was working on. The circled areas you posted are below what I posted. John pointed the area out to me to take a look because he saw something there. I plan on moving down to the areas you circled later....

Good hunting...


to 1Worldwatcher

I have no expertise in video editing and I believe that's whats needed in what you're talking about.
I just draw what I 'think' I see...


PEACE

[deuem]

@1watcher,  My problem with video is that every frame when processed is over 80mb. Now times that by 30 for a second then 60 for a minute. As you see it gets very large very fast. The only thing I have been able to do is to caputre a frame or frames out of a video, maybe every 10 seconds, Work them and then gif them. I have also done more frames but it takes about 100 hours to do even the shortest videos. I have 1 now on UT for Bill UFO. That vid took my life for a week+.  If I lowered the quality for the work it would be better for Size problem but the same time for me. Until tech or money catches up with me I am stuck with doing one frame at a time. Hence my signature! The only thing I thought I could help with here, is spotting. If Sarge can circle the areas of interest maybe, just maybe I can re-write a new version that goes after those areas. If that worked, it would narrow things down a bit. If it does not work I just lose time in trying. But that is why we are all here, No?

You might have seen another vid I did on the girls helmet.  The entire section where it looks like a movie or looks like slow motion is not video. It is frame by frame in power point set to run at a certain rate.  That we can do. I do a lot of frame work in CAD and I have to talk with Sarge to see if he is doing it the same way. It would be easy for us to generate frame grab movies using CAD, just add time. I think, I push powerpoint to its limits sometimes. Every video I have ever done is PPT is then converted to AVI or Flash.

Let me sum that up.  It is very possible to frame grab accurately every frame from a video. Work with it. Align it, stabilize it, color it, size it, rotate it, and skew it, what ever you want on a frame. When done Save it as a photo, then put it in ppt as an album and set the speed accordingly. Add forward and rear presentation work. When done convert to AVI. The frame count is the question.

This process took me months to figure out but I am willing to share it with you guys if you want to try it.  You have to expect a lot of work so be prepared.  One of the things I pride myself on is the ability to make pin point gifs. Locking a point to within a mm or so. Most people just gif some photos and they bounce all around. I lock them down in cad first. Sarge should love this.

John, sorry if I went off topic a little. If Sarge or Wathcher want to do this I will lay it out in my standards thread. Ask there or PM. I have never seen this done on other sites. I am sure someone does it but if adds even a little it is worth it.

Deuem

[1Worldwatcher]

Thanks so much deuem and Sgt. I was just curious and didn't want to post artifacts and other thing's that would just take up space in this thread.
And it does seem as though there is quite a bit of foot work involved with the method you use. I wouldn't know how too begin doing it myself, I am somewhat computer illiterate when it comes to the really technical thing's. The only system I have to manipulate is my Paint studio. I contracted a nasty virus a few weeks ago and all sound cards and editing areas are fried. $ $ $ is all I can expand on with that issue.
But, back to the task at hand.
Sorry to side track as well John, just a few questions that needed answer's for..

1Worldwatcher

[johnlear]

Very clear photo's, the Apollo 20 mission is highly debated, but Zorgon and Mr. Lear and I have pretty much concluded that the mission did happen.
1Worldwatcher

CORRECTION:  I, JohnLear, do not believe that any Apollo mission happened. Especially Apollo 20 with the fake spaceship near Tsiolkovsky.