NASA STS-75 Tether "UFOs"? from the new guy. The American Roadwarrior

[ArMaP]

Second, I challenge anyone to put the Luna Cognita video side by side to the original raw footage and point out to me where these zig-zagging particles are. They simply do not exist.

I'm not talking about zig-zagging particles, as I haven't seen one, I'm talking about particles that go from the bottom left corner to the middle of the frame, then make a slow turn and end up at the right bottom corner. As far as I remember it, all the changes in direction are from moving up to moving down, never from moving down to moving up or from one side to the other, but I may be wrong, I haven't looked at the video in a long time.

[ArMaP]

I need this video...

Videos sent. I hope it works.

[deuem]

Videos sent. I hope it works.

Looking.
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I have been looking at the design specs on this teather. The Satellite is 1.6 meters (5.25 ft.) across and the tether was approximately 12.2 miles long (19.7 km) when it broke. It did curl up a lot from bounce back as shown in Luna Cognitas video and again later in a NASA photo ( still working on getting that one )

But what I am really after is the teather cable. I did find the outer wire was 25.4mm in diameter. 1 inch.  So we are talking about an object going behind or in front of a 1 inch item that is miles away. I am impressed. Did the hubble take that photo.

At the time of the Ice Critters (    ) we are looking at a 1 inch (25mm) cable glowing miles and miles away. If anything is to be looked at is what happened near the head end. At least that is a little larger. 1.6 meters.

Now if your zoom on a camera is powerfull enough to pick up 1.6 meters at miles away then anything in that photo is not 30 feet from the lens. You would be looking at a very narrow area of sky.

Most of all I woulld kindly point out to you to try your own trails and show us what you get on a few moving objects before you tear down Luna Cognita for no reason other than fun. Instead of knocking him, do better than he did..I am sure even he would like to see that. If you could prove that nothing moved it would be the story of the year.

Trails are an accounting of a moving object from frame to frame. Like the video game tron cycles...

Still need theFocal point, lens and film or CCD info to work it out better.

Say an ice crystal is the size of a penny, at 30 feet you can just abput even see it. Now zoom in on the penny and the back ground will go away. say we open the iris up. The back ground will get saturated. Next zoom in on something 12 miles away and see if you can still even see the penny. It should dissapear.

Deuem

[Littleenki]

Great banter here fellas, Zorgon, I have to agree with you and Luna on this, after watching the videos so many times numerous correspondences arise in my eyes and mind....one of which was camera effect, yet that has no merit due to the non lnear movement of the critters, and the pulsating forms of their shells, and innards.

I would suggest watching the Primer Fields videos series in this case, to recognize the nature of space bound plasma, and the effect resulting from the use of bowl shaped magnets in the creation of such plasma events.



In the videos, the apparatus mimics the formation of plasma critters, and also defines the way that all is fractal within space and the entire universe....each lifeform starts as such a spark, or critter, and the subsequent formation of physical bodies such as we are embedded in here on Earth is due to the specific level of electrical inductance and gravitational effects our energy being is immersed in.

When in space, these lifeforms continue to grow into their large sizes due to the near vacuum, and high levels of electrical inductance, many times that here on earth.

What this indicates is that here on the planet's surface, we condense as humans for a short time until our inductance ability wanes through the years, while in space the high available energy level allows for the formation of electrical torus', critters that are at once, created and destroyed, rebirthing at the specific frequency of their inductance from said available energy.

The debate here should be more like..."are these critters conscious, or able to render thought, or are they just random electrical anomalies that occur due to physical properties of the ONE, or aether as science calls it?"

One vote here for semi conscious beings, which don't advance past the stage of their observed form, due to the fact that there is so much energy in space, they cannot attain any solid physical form such as we have as humans in our environment. They remain as plasma, and their curiousity exposed them for what they are.

Cheers!
Le

[undo11]

and now for a totally different theory:

American Road Warrior are you Luna Cognita?
That guy came into the john lear threads and others that several of us partiipated in, took our evidence, made his own video with it, sold it for money and then only credited a couple of the people who had generated the data.  That actually curbed my interest in sharing my views on this type of stuff.  Not even an honorable mention or a thanks for the info.

[undo11]

oh wait. that was jose escamilla (moon rising documentary) but jose was working with lunacognita.  to be fair, he did credit john lear.  no mention of z's work on the topic or mine.  i must've downloaded and scanned, colored, zoomed, brightened, contrasted, texturized, cut out and etc, thousands of pics and put them on my own website so i could show them on the various threads we were involved in. 

here it is. 
http://archive.org/details/SciencemoonRising-FullDocumentary_737

[Somamech]

You will find this new's article interesting I found tonight whilst at work!

We need to check out the name's of these PHD Clad folke to find out more 

Hyper-Intelligent Superbrains Floating In Deep Space Probably Don't Outnumber Humanity, Say Physicists

Physicists say there is now good evidence that a legion of floating space brains are not spontaneously bursting into existence throughout the universe.

For about a decade there has been a theory (really a thought experiment) that so-called Boltzmann brains - self-aware conscious entities with no external physical presence - might exist in space.

The idea roughly goes - and we'd suggest further reading - that given a suitably dramatic timescale, energy and matter, it's possible that a consciousness could form into a working mind, of its own accord, in space.

SOURCE:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/23/boltzmann-brain-theory-space_n_3324003.html

Like I said a lot of checking to do on that one and even the article writer sorta hints that in the link's embedded in the article, but all the same it make's me at least think of Critters 'being a legion" of floating brains LOL 

And I am a critter believer  

[deuem]

I was able to read a lot of the comments on the teather vids. Can't see the vids but the comments ok.

Also saw that you made a bunch of videos on something you call the black line. Ok I was able to figure that out without the vid.

ArMaP was kind enough to send me Lunas video and I made a couple of screen shots to look at the black line.

So here is a sample of what I got from Lunas vid.

Hum?










It sure looks like that black and my red line are in front of that rather large Ice Critter.

For us Cad guys, the film stated that it was 77 natuical miles away. That is 142.604km or 88.61 miles

I am going to post a couple of other numbers that are a guess to talk about.

1) the teather broke off with 12+ miles of cable out. It then bunched up a lot.
For the math I will use 9 miles. Meaning we are looking at about 9 miles of teather bunched up on the angle with a 1.6 meter or 5foot+ head at the end. The vid shows us it is on an angle so a straight number can not be used even if the entire 12 miles were streached out straight. Also that trather is glowing like a glow bug under that type of camera. Lots of power there for a very well insulated cable that is only 1 inch round. 25mm and 88 miles away hum!

Round 2... ding   

Deuem

[deuem]

Deuem is having an ODD moment.

If a camera is set on infinity, then the focus is at the extreme. When one changes the focus you actually are doing a short zoom, a crop of the original photo, It moves the lenses or electronics inside the camera and you get a crop of the original but in focus.

Thank you for pointing out the focus part.

Now my part! When your video first starts up they are at some 80 nautical miles apart, even further than I wrote before. So what we are seeing is the lens set at infinity which is focused past the tether. Nice camera set up. I want one...

All lenses in the camera are at the extreme mode. They can only be moved in to focus.

So IMHO, it looks like most of the Ice Critters are even further away than I thought they were. They are in focus at the infinity level of that camera. Every lens setup has its own max. Infinity is just a word used in the camera game meaning what ever it can see. Each lens made has a different infinity level. 

When they did a focus, the tether gets larger as it should ( it cropped the picture ) and all the ice critters got smaller as they should. Meaning the lens pulled in to focus on the tether and that pushed the critters farther away in focus making them smaller. If the critters were on this side of the focus they too would have gotten a lot larger. The focus had to be set past the tether to start with because it got larger in the cropped focus. If the focus was on this side to start with the tether would have gotten smaller in the crop but in focus. If you pulled the focus into 30 feet, you would never see the tether at all. Maybe some lights in the back ground.

Using your logic that any simpleton who understands focus can work this out, I think I just did.

I think you should read the camera thread and do some more research on focus and let me know what you find.

The focal plane is the focal plane no matter how it is diced.

And that is what I think happens..... Deuem

[undo11]

If the critters were on this side of the focus they too would have gotten a lot larger.

this sounds accurate.

[Littleenki]

this sounds accurate.

Indeed!

Good point D!

[zorgon]

There is a common misconception that where the Shuttle is in the upper atmosphere there is NO gravity or wind drag. This is actually not the case. There are definite subtle forces of gravity and drag surrounding the ship.

No one is denying that there are gravity effects, but some of those particles are moving away from earth.

Can you show us in ANY of the other NASA videos this same gravity and wind drag in effect?

Can you explain how gravity and wind drag effect different particles at different rates? Gravity is a constant and it does not act instantly on small particles already moving at orbital velocity. Even a large satellite takes a long time to be pulled out of orbit

Gravity is also not selective... it acts on all orbital objects equally

There is a video uploaded by a youtube user: Luna Cognita which has been put to a program to add tails on many of the objects in question demonstrating that many of them do not travel in a straight line.

Yes I posted that link... I see you read that post?

I believe that video to be flawed.

No surprise there LOL

They simply do not exist.

Enjoy your bliss

[zorgon]

So lets look at STS80 clip...

Explain THESE as 'ice particles'

Explain how the one in the center moves in and comes to a STOP at 1:40 and lights up.  What gravity or wind drag effect will allow one to STOP?

Then watch the big one move over the storm and brightens up... then STOPS and stays over the storm. Then it stays over that storm and moves off the screen with the orbit. Near the end the NASA camera zooms back in on it as it is almost off camera.

These are NOT close to the camera.. these are NOT camera artifacts and it is clear that NASA is aware of them.




You are welcome to believe as you wish, but in my opinion you are simply in DENIAL

[Somamech]

It reminds me of my now 93 yo grandma's experience whilst in bed with grandpa when he was still kicking about. 

They both saw a ball of white light zoom through their bedroom only later to to ask the neighbour's who lived next door what was going on in their next meeting (who wouldn't ask?) and the neighbor's said they saw the ball's of white light in their paddock. 

Ball Lighting doe's not explain that true story

[zorgon]

Ball Lighting doe's not explain that true story

Ball lightning or ice particles also do not explain this huge one on NASA's mission control screen that they are watching where the opening closes and opens












Problem with most skeptobunkers is they never look at ALL the evidence...