NASA STS-75 Tether "UFOs"? from the new guy. The American Roadwarrior

[American-Roadwarrior]

Hey Gang,
I'm the new guy on the block and I have a really good feeling I'm going to have a great time here thanks to my buddy 1WorldWatcher who I met and got to know and fully respect in the Inception Radio Network Chat Room.

Now I'm sure there has likely been at least one Tether UFO thread here in the past because it's such a great case to research and study but I'm going to start a new thread here. New and fresh.

Here is generally an order of events which most people go through having to do with this Tether video phenomenon:

1. The video is found and watched.

2. To most people it looks very intriguing as a potential UFO video filmed by NASA on their 75th Space Shuttle mission.

3. a. The viewer with a healthy skepticism knows they must now verify what they believe they see. Potential SAUCERS? SPHERES?
Or is there something else at play here? Could at least part of what we see here be caused by some camera effect? One thing for sure, this looks like it "could" be something amazing.

or b. The viewer having been introduced to the video as "real intelligent craft" now feels they "know" this is "real" "intelligently controlled craft".

or c. The viewer is already completely aware of how this type camera works and is used to seeing it's imagery with it's donut shaped out-of-focus objects and knows right from the getgo that this is only ice debris in a cloud of such debris which surrounds the spacecraft after making routine fuel cell water dumps as many times before (this is the case with the astronauts, ground crew and all other employees having anything to do with this 75th Space Shuttle mission. The video shows nothing unusual).

4. (cont. from 3.a.) The viewer now checks for debunk and/or explanation videos to decide whether or not they are looking at something special.

5. a. The viewer now understands that a "catadioptric" lens used on this camera causes out-of-focus objects within it's view to mimic the characteristics of it's parabolic dish mirror. The overall spherical shape is the overall shape of this parabolic dish mirror. The notches clocked around the perimeter of the spheres are caused by the lens' "snap rings" and these notches are found at particular "clock" locations around the perimeter due to the object's location within the camera's "field of view". And lastly, the dark center of these objects is the camera's iris.

or b. The viewer either cannot comprehend the mechanics of this camera optical anomaly proposed OR outright refuses to even try. Many viewers in this category are also "SURE" that NASA is trying to cover up something here. And this "Roadwarrior" fellow is likely just some "tool" used to throw people off.

I assure you NASA has absolutely nothing here to cover up. NASA does not care what people think about this video. The most likely response NASA will give when questioned about this is LAUGHTER. And that's the cold hard truth.

Here is the link to my youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/americanroadwarrior
It's best to watch the featured video on the channel page and then click on the Tether Playlist just below it.
You will be shown not one, not two, but several different methods of proving that these are NOT large spacecraft.

I'm willing to answer any question or give a reference to one of my videos but due to the unreasonable nature of many "tether UFO believers" who generaly just can't comprehend the highly comprehensible material I've prepared as soon as it has been established that this person is disrespecting me and my material and shooting bullets at my feet trying to make me dance the interaction between us will simply end.

When a student is in a classroom and they do not understand the lesson they do not turn to the teacher and proclaim that the lesson is wrong because they do not understand or cannot comprehend and then proceed to taunt the teacher. No. They should work a bit harder towards learning the lesson and respect the teacher as someone who will assist them as best they can.

[robomont]

you and deum will probly be best buds as he is into video.im not but if your here you probly earned it through your skills.
so until i hear otherwise .i accept what you say as fact in this field.thankyou for joining pegasus and providing your expertise.
i look forward to seeing more of your critiques. : )

my field  is high energy physics and theoretical physics.ask me anything anytime.im usually right.

[deuem]

Hello, I can see we are going to be taking opposite sides on this one till one of us leans, breaks or stands his ground.  I am currently in China and they ban UT where I am. If my dear friend 1WW watcher is reading this, Please Drop this video to me. http://www.youtube.com/user/americanroadwarrior

When I viewed the show UFO hunters on this event I fully understood that the scheem they came up with was full of holes. I hope that was not you! If so, lets go at it.

#1, I was not there, so I have only the video to work with. I have to trust that or drop it.

#2, The idea of it being the camera and having hundreds of these critters all over the place is hard ot believe.

#3, Follow the trail, they start, stop, turn 90 degres.

#4, They come in all sizes.

#5, When the camera puls in they dont fade out.  If an object is close to the camera, ie Ice floating around, then when you zoom in they blur out.

#6, Deuem can tell if the object is close or far away by how it processes.

#7, If it is only ice and miles away it would have to be huge ice, like icebergs.

#8, I have never processed anything like this before and I have done many camera bounces, flares, ice and so on. These seem to have a lot of power.

#9, It went behind the teather.

#10, The teather was not streached out as far as most people say it was, It has a re-coil of over 1/3 the length as ssn in other photos. So they are not as large as people say.

#11, I need to review you video

#12, Did you see the fantastic video out there with the trails. Maybe one of the members can find it and post it.

#13, If this is camera related then why are the objects moving and not pinned to the camera motion? Why are there many going in many dirrections at the same time? Bet the answer is ice. If this is camera, I want to know why.

#14, Even though I am Deuem, I make mistakes and maybe I am as wrong as you might be. I will keep a very open mind on this, I hope you do also.

#15, Have you ever seen any Deuem work ups of this event. I am also very happy to process some for viewing and discussion....

Good luck, Round 2 Ding.....You may answer the above 1 at a time or all at once. I would like 1 at a time and let the other member join in.

Critters, ya gotta love them. Related to Drapa

Deuem

[1Worldwatcher]

Howdy everyone!!

Well, glad you finally got a debate going here ARW!! Now we can research a bit more 'Personally' of your deductive finding's and get a bit of closure to this whole 'Tether UFO' debacle my friend.

Robo might not be a video guru, but neither am I so, Deuem, my good friend here has ways of making images talk, we will have to wait and see what we can make of the images with in the footage, which , by the way, I have sent to you Deuem. Check the Drop Box.

I personally see two sides of an understanding here, but really like how you have made mention of the Following with in such teaching's of these events being accepted as out right real UFO footage, I would think our good Host Bill Birnes would be more than happy to oblige a Email for the explanation as well. Guess it is more foot work, but heck, we likes our facts!!! LOL

There is a You Tube icon with in the area you create your threads and posts ARW, click on that icon then drop the videos you want to show in the thread or post and they will look as clickable view my friend, like this:



That way we don't have to take a trip to the YT store..

Am looking forward too all that is going to be discussed here, I have not an answer one way or the other to validate or debunk personally, but am sure the discussion will be in-depth none the less.

With Great Respect,
1Worldwatcher

[zorgon]

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Here is generally an order of events which most people go through having to do with this Tether video phenomenon:

1. The video is found and watched.

The video was intercepted by Martyn Stubbs... NASA has never released the official copy. Jim Oberg claims its available but no one has yet produced it

2. To most people it looks very intriguing as a potential UFO video filmed by NASA on their 75th Space Shuttle mission.

To others we know them as plasma critters... going to the glowing tether like moths to a flame

3. a. The viewer with a healthy skepticism knows they must now verify what they believe they see. Potential SAUCERS? SPHERES?
Or is there something else at play here? Could at least part of what we see here be caused by some camera effect? One thing for sure, this looks like it "could" be something amazing.

The 'camera effect' won't fly here They are very big and they look HUGE on NASA's mission control screen



NASA knows what they are   and they definitely watch them Just watch STS80 clips...

or b. The viewer having been introduced to the video as "real intelligent craft" now feels they "know" this is "real" "intelligently controlled craft".

No they are not spacecraft, they are plasma life forms native to Earth and LEO. Trevor James constable, friend of Martyn Stubbs coined the term "CRITTERS" for them in 1954

or c. The viewer is already completely aware of how this type camera works and is used to seeing it's imagery with it's donut shaped out-of-focus objects and knows right from the getgo that this is only ice debris in a cloud of such debris which surrounds the spacecraft after making routine fuel cell water dumps as many times before (this is the case with the astronauts, ground crew and all other employees having anything to do with this 75th Space Shuttle mission. The video shows nothing unusual).

No Jim Oberg linked me to a NASA study from 1969 that looks at the 'plasma phenomena plaguing NASA spaceships. The 480 page report AFTER the tether incident covers all sorts of plasma issues and why the tether was glowing like a fluorescent tube long after it broke away. BTW the US NAVY was flying a successful tether at THE SAME TIME that flew for more than two years and they fired lasers at it to test power transfers

4. (cont. from 3.a.) The viewer now checks for debunk and/or explanation videos to decide whether or not they are looking at something special.

STS80 footage clearly shows NASA cameramen are still aware and tracking the critters (in that case over a thunderstorm)

5. a. The viewer now understands that a "catadioptric" lens used on this camera causes out-of-focus objects within it's view to mimic the characteristics of it's parabolic dish mirror. The overall spherical shape is the overall shape of this parabolic dish mirror. The notches clocked around the perimeter of the spheres are caused by the lens' "snap rings" and these notches are found at particular "clock" locations around the perimeter due to the object's location within the camera's "field of view". And lastly, the dark center of these objects is the camera's iris.

Bokeh's in any ONE image would all be the SAME as there is only ONE shutter. In the Tether film they have different shapes and the shapes are changing. Notice the big one going behind the tether in this gif. It has two notches and then only one.  A Bokeh will always have the same shape on any blur in the image, because a Bokeh is a function of the shutter, like these hexagonal ones





No skeptic or debunker has yet reproduced the undulating shifting effects in their attempt to recreate them

or b. The viewer either cannot comprehend the mechanics of this camera optical anomaly proposed OR outright refuses to even try. Many viewers in this category are also "SURE" that NASA is trying to cover up something here. And this "Roadwarrior" fellow is likely just some "tool" used to throw people off.

Well if you are a tool... then you are in trouble Explain the MOTION TRACKING... forget all else. When you can account for the motion of the critters maybe you have something

LunaCognita
The STS75 "Tether Incident"

I assure you NASA has absolutely nothing here to cover up. NASA does not care what people think about this video. The most likely response NASA will give when questioned about this is LAUGHTER. And that's the cold hard truth.

If NASA doesn't care about this video then WHY will NASA not release the original with time date stamps? WHY is the ONLY copy that we can view the one intercepted by satellite dish by Martyn Stubbs  and WHY was it taken to court to have the film squashed due to copyright issues when NASA is a PUBLIC entity and the film was intercepted on an open channel?

Here is the link to my youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/americanroadwarrior
It's best to watch the featured video on the channel page and then click on the Tether Playlist just below it.
You will be shown not one, not two, but several different methods of proving that these are NOT large spacecraft.

Sorry your barking up the wrong tree here

[zorgon]

Am looking forward too all that is going to be discussed here,

LMAO

NASA say there is nothing there and uses a poor copy of the film from the web....

WHY will they not release their high res copy with data stream if as they say It was streamed publicly? Which BTW it was NOT  Had they not been intercepted by Martyn Stubbs at the time we would never have seen them LD

But nah I am not going to debate it. We spent MONTHS on this at ATS and Open Minds and its all on the website so knock yourselves out.

But lets hear your explanations for the curved trajectories and sudden changes for your 'space debris' theory

Luna Cognita dis an awesome job on the motion tracking and forensic study... To me that settled it long ago

[1Worldwatcher]

But lets hear your explanations for the curved trajectories and sudden changes for your 'space debris' theory

I have seen the debates 'Z', Arw approached me with his theory, we must honor those theories as much as wanting to be honored, so, as far as I am concerned, I have only what "I am Told" for being the truths of the matter, so am watching you follow as you choose, which is Luna Cognita apparently..... I have no answer's, I only have Questions........ 

I hope it turns out for both arguments, but in the long run, neither one of them an hold water, all speculation and conjecture, at least until we can send someone up there we can actually trust, that "Isn't" Biased either way....

So ,  LMAO 2 .......

1WW

[zorgon]

#1, I was not there, so I have only the video to work with. I have to trust that or drop it.

Well get the full res copy from Martyn Stubbs He is SecretNasaMan at Youtube... and also get STS80 where NASA zooms in on the one over the thunderstorm ArMaP really likes that one

#2, The idea of it being the camera and having hundreds of these critters all over the place is hard ot believe.

They are being seen by the THOUSANDS all over the world described as orbs and glowing lights. They have always been here but today everyone is looking and has cameras. They can be seen around any good thunderstorm

#3, Follow the trail, they start, stop, turn 90 degres.

And some have curved trajectories. Space debris CANNOT do that though a few skeptics at ATS tried to argue that it was Earth's gravity pulling them down in an arc.  Really? Earth's gravity pulling down dust particles to cvreate an arc in such a short time?  Uh huh... Nice one

#4, They come in all sizes.

Yes the young are small and usually round 'balls of light' while the older ones are more amoeba like and can get HUGE. I have noticed that the young tend to hang out in the atmosphere more. I do have one 20 minute video taken of one giving birth.    But I already covered that

#5, When the camera puls in they dont fade out.  If an object is close to the camera, ie Ice floating around, then when you zoom in they blur out.

Irrelevant to a skeptoid   So is the fact that all bokeh in one image would be the SAME ORIENTATION. Just ggogle bokeh images and you will see what I mean. Here is one created using a heart shaped aperture... you will notice they are all aligned the same direction

#6, Deuem can tell if the object is close or far away by how it processes.

Can't wait

#7, If it is only ice and miles away it would have to be huge ice, like icebergs.

Skeptics also ignore the fact that the tether was a very THIN WIRE yet it was glowing and "wider than expected" as the NASA mission control guy says in the recording. The study after explains WHY it was glowing like a fluorescent tube...

Also this press release...

EARLY FINDINGS FROM TETHERED SATELLITE MISSION
POINT TO REVAMPING OF SPACE PHYSICS THEORIES

RELEASE: 96-43

Numerous space physics and plasma theories are being revised or overturned by data gathered during the Tethered Satellite System Reflight (TSS-1R) experiments on Space Shuttle Columbia's STS-75 mission last March.

Models, accepted by scientists for more than 30 years, are incorrect and must be rewritten. This assessment follows analysis by a joint U.S.-Italian Tethered Satellite investigating team of the information gathered during the mission.

Source: Marshal  Marshall Space Flight Center, Press Release

#9, It went behind the teather.

Yes it did

#10, The teather was not streached out as far as most people say it was, It has a re-coil of over 1/3 the length as ssn in other photos. So they are not as large as people say.

The tether straightened out as it moved away. Plasma discharge was occurring because the copper wire was still collecting energy as it flew through the earths magnetosphere. The circuit was completed by the gases release by the insulation as the plasma heated the wire. The power collected caught NASA off guard and had they installed a simple circuit breaker they would not have lost the tether. They anticipated a very low voltage but seconds after it was extended they got much more power surge than they were ready for...  enough to fry the connection and leave arc holes in the shuttle bay.

All that is covered in the report after the fact... enough electricity to fry an astronaut

#12, Did you see the fantastic video out there with the trails. Maybe one of the members can find it and post it.

Yes its Luna Cognita's film  good friend of mine who has been off line lately Its here in his section

#13, If this is camera related then why are the objects moving and not pinned to the camera motion? Why are there many going in many dirrections at the same time? Bet the answer is ice. If this is camera, I want to know why.

The motion and the different "bokeh" effects and the shifting shapes should be enough to shut up any skeptic... They never address those issue... just keep harping on the same 'evidence' they fabricate

#14, Even though I am Deuem, I make mistakes and maybe I am as wrong as you might be. I will keep a very open mind on this, I hope you do also.

Critters, ya gotta love them. Related to Drapa

Letter from:
Denise M. Stoner
Chief Investigator, Florida (Ex Government Investigator)
Mufon State Section Director
6/8/2009 5:58 AM

[Cilp of relevant portion]
Yes, I do believe at least 50% or greater of these recent sightings (past 15 yrs perhaps) are life forms of some kind.  I wish I could recall the paperwork on a case I had that involved an abduction where the individual never saw an entity such as the "Grays".  He felt the whole works of the craft was a living, breathing entity in itself.  Sightings now include so many balls of light that appear to be glass like on the outside with some sort of swirling living being on the inside.  This "Shape Shifting" going on is perhaps the workings of the plasma or whatever these beings are made up of as they enter our earth.

I have a fascinating photo - original- of a beam of light coming down from the sky to some ranch land.  Within the beam you can see a form that looks like an entity in fetal position waiting to step out of the light.  I am waiting to meet with a photo analyst who can enhance this so we can have a better look at what's going on.  Everyone who has been shown this picture sees the thing immediately.  I will share that with you at some point, if you are interested.  There are so many things going on.  These UFOs have surely advanced beyond our understanding just as we are working to do so here on Earth.

Ron:  You may quote me on the statement regarding my thoughts on the plasma, critters, etc.  These are my thoughts and not those of MUFON.  One of the three questions MUFON asks as criteria to determine whether or not we have a Category 1 (Fly By), Cat. 2 (Landing), Cat. 3 (Entities involved) is: Did the Witness experience poltergeist, ghost or haunting activity, out of body experience or religious transformation.  It must tie in directly with a craft landing.  So, we are mixing these experiences with the angelic forces, plasma-like beings, and so forth.  Along the line someone - and I don't know who - has  discovered there are reasons to believe this is all related to the UFO phenomenon.  Or at the very least, it needs to be explored.

Thanks so much for sharing the info. on the critter birth.  I will take a look...  ...I keep searching because someone has to - I have always enjoyed a good game of cat and mouse.

Warm Wishes,  Denise Stoner

[zorgon]

THE CASE FOR THE CRITTERS

By Sander of  the Linden


In the early morning of 25 augusts 1957 two men drew, provide with camera's, the Mohavewoestijn at loose Angelos in. Their aim was UFO's observe and these to film and photographs. One of the men, Trevor Howard Constable, a respected author of aviation books had been confessed and for its biography of Erich Hartmann, wereldberoemde pilot from WO I. Constable had touched interested in the work of scientist will helmet Reich and his discoveries in the field of bioenergy, by Reich 'orgone' energy called. According to Reich this energy is responsible for living on our planet and can with certain equipment be manipulated.

Reich discovered also that during proefnemingen with these equipment in free nature he did not stipulate earlier observed phenomena attracted, which he kept responsible for the ufo perceptions. According to Reich these phenomena life forms earlier not discovered were which lived in the higher layers of our atmosphere. Reich became among other things these statements and researches in the field of the orgone energy as a scientist no longer have been seriously taken. Later he touched in diskrediet and died eventually in the prison. Constable want gladly foto's make of these UFO's and the men stalks their equipment on.

Constable carried out a certain exercise, which aimed at joining energy on one spot the orgone and thereby UFO's to attract. After a couple Constable an enormous entity in the atmosphere perceived minutes above him, which he could however only feel. There was see nothing. To be comrade made rapidly a number of infraroodfoto's. After development of the film proved to be there in ventilates itself above Constable a giant being to be, which seemed most still on an enormous amoeba, completely with nucleï and vacuolen (to see foto's). In the first place were two disappointed because they had thought real flying of photographing dishes. After still what desert sessions appeared however that they were also able these fix dishes, with the traditional klokvorm, on infra-red film. With the naked eye however continued there, outside a vague rimpeling in the atmosphere, observe nothing. Constable thought long and hard after concerning its discoveries and did report of its perceptions in the book 'They live in the sky' (1958).

In this book Constable note that the entities live, biological beings are, which able are their eliminate presence in for our visible the part of the spectrum at discretion to or. Moreover they are able already pulsating with enormous speeds move itself. The fact that she comes be, however, on IR film visible because they radiate heat. Constable call them 'critters', which is to translate rather with 'beestjes'. The traditional dishes (by Constable 'etherships' called) are of another order. These use of a sophisticated propulsion system, which she puts able to accelerate with enormous speed and dealings to carry out. These etherships do not come belong from the universum but, just like the critters to our own planet, however from another dimension, which Constable 'Etheria' calls.

What they exact are not, can also to Constable answer. He states that they exist in their own levensfeer in a separate dimension. This dimension is everywhere present, also for our gone, but for human perception invisibly. Etheria the source and future of people are.

Of course a vast excursion made Constable American scientists, armed with its sharpest foto's and films. But beginning years '60 did not prove be there much basis for onontdekte biological entities in the atmosphere. Everyone had been aroused curiosity to the real flying dishes, such as Kenneth Arnold which had observed in '47 at Mount Reinier. Constable were laughed away, were ignored or were ridiculous made plain. This became a black period in its life. Later he notes down this in 'The Cosmic pulse or Life' (1976) with as subtitel 'The revolutionary biological power behind ufos'. In this book he looks back ietwat disconcerted on this time.

At this moment Trevor Howard Constable active is as a engineer, where he is using the orgone energy able influence it, and rain can let appear on spots where that necessary is (* Internet site).

To the critters. After the discovery of Constable it has been long quiet around these life forms. Much attention went out to UFO's as vehicles for intelligences originating from other planets, such as the Greys van Zeta Reticuli. Abductions, cattle injuries and close Encounters or the Third child have dominated the ufonieuws of the previous decades. Until American Tv-technicus from pure interest the livebeelden which was sent from the Spaceshuttle missions were sent. Using what special satellite dishes are these observe livebeelden for everyone. This technician touched curiously to these pictures because it was not whispered there in space travel rings concerning closer to call perceptions by American, and to what late appeared also Russian crew. Our technician filled tape after tape, and its impatience was shortly rewarded, because after thorough study of the liveopnamen, particularly of space walks, and attempts from the Spaceshuttle repair c.q launch satellites, became clear that there were two phenomena present around the Spaceshuttle, the Russian MIR, and in and around the atmosphere of the ground.

The first phenomenon is to a being that with regard to description strong seems on the critters of Constable. Luminous, pulsative and itself with enormous speed moving phenomena, which appeared moreover able for 'onmogelijke' dealings to carry out, such as haakse turnings and sudden invisibility. On some film pictures seems the space around the Spaceshuttle litteral forgive of swarming, all sides on moving lichtbollen, which gives clear proof of their presence, such as fish curiously descend on diepzeeduiker. Also there are the enormous amoebeachtige beings visible on some scenes, which by the outer edges of the atmosphere 'zwemmen'. The comment of the nasa during the retransmissions is that there 'veel ijsdeeltjes and space detritus (spacedebris)' being to see. Correctly yes. (To see: SECRET nasa TRANSMISSIONS: THE GRANT SMOKING)

The second phenomenon is a sudden, coloured lichtflits, which itself both outside the capsules as well as within the spacecrafts manifests itself. This lichtflits is hardly with the naked eye visible, but was clearly noticed astronauts, who it during the retransmissions nice concerning their 'companion' have. Ergo conclusio: there is much to the hand above our accounts.

To the critters. There are after Constable experiences have been confessed made much ufo perceptions which have in my opinion nothing to do with visitors of other planets, but all belong in the biological category done. In 1961, an Italian photographer made this photograph, on which bizar object with min-of-meer symmetrical projections. Being? Vehicle? See also the next photograph, on which is a flying dragon to see. And then next that a type sees flying jellyfish late, among beautiful cloud parties.

Itself possesses I an unique small film from the years '60, on which are from a plane filmed being to see. It seems still most on an enormous tortoise, with four legs/vinnen. however after a number of seconden there something happens strange: the legs seem join tightly itself to a type membrane, the being turns and within 2 up to 3 video frames from the visibility has totally disappeared. Also on the nasa films is high above the atmosphere flying 'kwallen' to see that appears suddenly and also suddenly disappears, or with inconceivable speed from picture accelerate.

Itself is I, after study of Constable's work (be first book 'They live in the sky' is unfortunately from the trade, 2e hands does copies zo'n € 500, -), the work of will helmet Reich and a large number of films and foto's reached the conclusion that he has it at the straight end. Constable still say themselves concerning its perceptions against ongelovige scientists: 'bind an infra-red camera under a plane and makes prerecordings in ochtenduren'. And 'iedereen is possible waarnemen' them;. In my optiek the work of Constable deserves a thorough realignment, where could open mind contribute livewaarnemingen and enormously to the knowledge of our own planet, its flora and fauna, but above all to the nevertheless this way uncomfortable problem of Ufo-waarnemingen.

* Internet site: http://www.ethericrainengineering.info

e-mail author: slinden@planet.nl

THE CASE FOR THE CRITTERS

TRANSLATED FROM

http://www.ufowijzer.nl/tekstpagina/TheCaseForTheCritters.html

[zorgon]

at least until we can send someone up there we can actually trust, that "Isn't" Biased either way....

Well Bigelow is working on that, been talking to NASA about private missions (posted that I did)

But we could just catch one here on Earth   I am sure there must we a way to confine one, even if they are pure energy. They did it on Ghost Busters

[zorgon]

so am watching you follow as you choose, which is Luna Cognita apparently....

Well it is obvious you don't know I was there from the beginning when Martyn showed these LIVE  I was watching the court case and seeing the video being pulled off the internet. Luna Cognita came along after. 

A lot of people around the net are considering the possibilities of critters and most of the chatter can be traced to either Trevor's camp or my work..

But your right  we all know nothing and I am sure we will be arguing about this for decades.

All I want to see before I kick the bucket is NASA release THEIR COPY  Why is that so much to ask for? They have released other films and those have the time date data feeds at the bottom (which Martyn couldn't intercept as they are added at the receiver

Jim Oberg told me we could order it IF we had the exact time/date info... but to date NO ONE has seen it

So cough up the ORIGINAL NASA or STUFF IT

[1Worldwatcher]

So cough up the ORIGINAL NASA or STUFF IT

Exactly. we can only run on 4 cylinders in an eight cylinder engine for so long, I wish the same things you do as far as releasing all these hidden files, and as mush as I respect your prowess with in these fields of research, I remain 'Bummed' by all thing's being human nature and rather mundane for arguments sake.

Catch one in a bottle and bring over too me, or at least that is how frustrated I am with all these Committees and Hearing's and disclosure crap things, cost a fortune to get them going, and really resolve nothing in the long run.

Yesterday evening I was lucky enough to catch an interview with Ken Sewell, one of our countries first Nuclear Physicists for power plants on sub's, he had so much stuff, it became painfully obvious that we as the sheeple of this planet will remain in the shaded areas of understanding..well, at least with in our life times 'Z', as Mr. Lear has stated, another 4-5 decades, and then maybe something will happen by then. Sad but true.

1WW

[deuem]

Hi,  I decided to take Zs gif from above break it up, process it and put it back into a gif again.





If you stare at the center it actually looks like it is breathing. The center hole opens and closes.

The cut out also changes shape in relation to the breathing.

Note: I use the word breathing so I can relate to a human action. For all I know maybe it is eating space.

The action also reminds me of jellyfish

[1Worldwatcher]

Hi,  I decided to take Zs gif from above break it up, process it and put it back into a gif again.





If you stare at the center it actually looks like it is breathing. The center hole opens and closes.

The cut out also changes shape in relation to the breathing.

Note: I use the word breathing so I can relate to a human action. For all I know maybe it is eating space.

The action also reminds me of jellyfish

Deuem, is there any way to have you render an image with the Tether with in it? That would be a bit more eye opening I believe.

1WW

[deuem]

No problem, the Deuem rules on that are for one of you to pick the picture(s) and I will run it.

I don't want anyone to say I made it up. Knock your socks off, I did this before. You can clearly see it behind with not even 1 ring overlapping.

Deuem