NASA STS-75 Tether "UFOs"? from the new guy. The American Roadwarrior

[deuem]

Focus on your average camera has several digit settings from zero to 30 feet and then anything beyound 30 feet it at it's full extreme on the infinity setting. Now if I'm reading you right, you are making the claim that the focus adjustment is discerning the difference between 8o miles away and further (behind the tether). I'm sorry but I cannot follow your logic.
The only focus difference on the camera would be between anything far away at infinity and anything within 30 feet.
There is no way on the focus dial to focus on objects 80 miles away and further, they all focus on infinity.

I need all the camera specs to go into exact details. But let me try it again without the details.

All cameras have what we call a focus range. A, "from here to there" range where everything in that range should be in crystal clear focus. This also has a lot to do with aperature time. But since this is a video I will pass on that. Meaning that only a certain amount of light can get in before the next frame. Not like a 5 minute timed shot.

When ever I used to buy a new lens, I would first go out side with targets and find the focus areas. Camera on a tripod and 2 targets. Keept moving one out as far as you can and still see it clearly. Move the 2nd target out on the inside and move it till it is in focus. If in too close it will be blurred.

Say you do this test and the max clear is 100 feet and the max min clear is 85 feet, Then you know for that lens the focus range when it is on infinity is 15 feet. Everything on either side of those numbers would be slightly blurred. I would mark my gear on the lens cap. If you wanted to shoot something 125 feet away this would not be the lens to use. Yes you would get a picture but not crystal clear. At home, not here I have a bag full of lenes and most of the time the camera is stored just as the body waiting for the focus choice. Flashes have this same problem.

Now, this camera is a very sofisticated machine. I need to learn more about it. So a lot of the work now is guess work. If you want to post you have calculations, I think you should find this stuff out. First of all is it possible? A standard 35mm camera can not take a photo 80+natuical miles away, even in space. Yes you will get a picture, maybe even a great one but after a few hundred feet or lees, every thing turns to a blur and the pixels are not crystal clear. Blurs are nice, Even our eyes do the same thing.

We need details if you want to continue your idea. What can that camera really do. Maybe it is limmited to 20 natuical miles for any clear shot and the entire video is out of its range. I don't know yet.

Focus on your average camera has several digit settings from zero to 30 feet and then anything beyound 30 feet it at it's full extreme on the infinity setting.

First of all there is no zero, that is a buzz word. All cameras, even the really cheap one have a minimum focus length. Max is never printed, they all use the buzz word infinity but it is not exactly true. As far as the 30 feet. I guess if it is a cheap camera, 30 feet might be good. I take it your talking about a PHD camera. Push Here Dummy. If so OK. If I wanted to go less than 30 feet or even an inch I would have to change lenses. But in your case we are at the opposite end of this talk. We are talking many miles. Around 80 or so. So the lens needed to be very special to do this. The idea of a lens being able to focus on an object 80 miles away and also on one 30 feet away with out a 2 or 3 day exposure is beyond me. I have never heard of anything like this. An 80 mile focus range?

Step 2, you need to run the math on what the angle of the photo is. See that photo. How far is it from one side of the phot to the other side at 80 miles. Now work that triangle back to the shuttle and see where 30 feet is and what the photo plane is at that point. Probable ssmaller than a penny..
If I have time later I will look at it also. THIS IS MATH! THESE ARE CALCULATIONS!  If you want anyone to listen to what you say, you need to step up over the silly UT comments and dig in with real math. No one can fight math, either they can prove you wrong or agree. That is its reason.

Now if I'm reading you right, you are making the claim that the focus adjustment is discerning the difference between 8o miles away and further (behind the tether).

Yes, you are reading me right. It looks to me in the video that by focusing the camera, he brought the lens in which pushed objects behind it out. So the camera might have a 100 mile limit on the focus and he cropped the focus into 80 miles. Without camera detail it is hard to be accurate in miles.

The only focus difference on the camera would be between anything far away at infinity and anything within 30 feet.

I have never seen any camera that can be in focus from 30 feet to 80 miles.  As listed above, find out the actual focus distance of that camera. The Range.

There is no way on the focus dial to focus on objects 80 miles away and further, they all focus on infinity.

Again the word infinity is just a buzz word. Even the hubble has its focus limits. For long shots the Hubble needs day of the same shot to make a photo. This video camera only had at most what ever the film rate is. The FPS.

Deuem

[zorgon]

Good thread here on ATS started by Poet1b (wish he would stop by here) Seems I inspired him a little I guess I will have to dig through that mega STS75 thread there and pull out all the good stuff

Are Most UFO Sightings Plasma Life Forms?

[The Matrix Traveller]

Re. your Comments and "Links", earlier in this Thread Z.

Yes you are 100% Correct.

It is beyond most peoples Imagination at this stage, to fully realise the Extent and just how many
different forms of Pseudo "Processing Systems" may exist in this Universe.

LIFE "interfaces" through so many of these different forms.

Future discoveries will change our understanding of "Intelligence" and ultimately reveal WHAT LIFE actually is.

So often people confuse "Intelligence" as being LIFE, when in fact these 2 are completely different "Components".

"Intelligence" is found in the form of an organised structure involving "Processing", and comes in many, many,
different forms.   


Some forms, Life plays with, but don't act as "Interfaces" between LIFE and this Program. (Little Universe)

While others are used as "Interfaces".

[ArMaP]

At 1:16 in the tether video when they are focusing on the tether shortly after it broke we see bokeh artifacts as they focus... they are CLEARLY HEXAGONAL... and more important they are all aligned in the same axis no matter where they are on the frame

I think those are lens flares, not bokeh. We can also see faint circles everywhere on the image, I think those are out of focus objects.

[ArMaP]

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All cameras have what we call a focus range. A, "from here to there" range where everything in that range should be in crystal clear focus. This also has a lot to do with aperature time.

The focus is influenced by the aperture size, not the time.

First of all there is no zero, that is a buzz word.

My camera can focus on the dust on the lens surface. I suppose that can be considered zero distance from the lens.

This is a piece of paper with a "1" printed by a laser printer, probably size 8. The piece of paper was placed on directly on the lens (with the camera pointing up, obviously).

Max is never printed, they all use the buzz word infinity but it is not exactly true.

Do you think this image is focused?



It was taken with the same camera as the previous image (a Samsumg WB5000), that's Jupiter and three of it's satellites.

I have never heard of anything like this. An 80 mile focus range?

Isn't it possible to take focused photos of the Moon?

So the camera might have a 100 mile limit on the focus and he cropped the focus into 80 miles.

"cropped the focus"? What do you mean by that?
 

For long shots the Hubble needs day of the same shot to make a photo.

That's because of the amount of light that enters the camera, it's not related to the focus.

[Somamech]

I know of a case, some years ago now, at a now decommissioned RF Surveillance Station
I used to spend a lot of time at, where a large diam. (possibly 5 or so feet in diam.) "Plasma"
of some sort, passed right through the Transmission Room, without damaging any of the transmitters
or Building.

There were both "Receivers" and "Transmitters" at this Station.

The Station Staff, just watch in amazement, as it drifted just above the floor across the floor area,
and disappeared though an external wall without leaving any marks or damage.

Thanks Matrix

That's pretty much what happened to my Grandma/Grandpa on more than one occasion, and I must say it was not a daily occurrence to my grandma/grandpa, just a few in their whole life of living on this property minus the RF Transmitter... Possibly though it may make sense that the farm and other strange event's occurred because of a massive power line supply running through property though   

[deuem]

No I do not think it is focused, all I see is 4 white dots. Show me a photo of the planet like Earth in Goggle earth and it is in focus. How much did you zoom or crop to get that. And you say you can focus on the dust on your lens and really see it? Show a photo of clear dust. There is no way your camera can take a focused shot that far. Lucky if you can get 100 meters. Focus to me means crystal clear, not just light.

[zorgon]

I know of a case, some years ago now, at a now decommissioned RF Surveillance Station
I used to spend a lot of time at, where a large diam. (possibly 5 or so feet in diam.) "Plasma"
of some sort, passed right through the Transmission Room, without damaging any of the transmitters or Building.

Can you elaborate on this so I can add it to the reports?

Do you recall those military guys that used to be attached to the Disclosure project who are still claiming 'UFO's' shut down that Nuclear missile site in the 60's?  Their description of what they saw fits the PLASMAs..

Now in the 60's our tech was still sloppy... I find it likely that the PLASMA's energy tripped some sensors that in turn triggered an automatic shutdown... not that the CRITTERS actually intentionally did it. They were just sniffing out the energy source (Like power lines, thunderstorms and the tether ) and their mere PRESENCE triggered the shutdowns

The thing is if you look at case like these it is far easier to explain with Plasma Critters than Alien spacecraft

[08rubicon]

 armap;
   That shot of jupiter with the wb5000 is pretty good. I hope you are not
going to tell us you did not refocus from the paper on the lens. The minimum
focus as per the spects on the wb5000 at super macro is 1 cm. This is one
great camera.Hope you show some more images with that unit..
   rubicon

[ArMaP]

No I do not think it is focused, all I see is 4 white dots.

If they were not on focus you would see four blurred dots, the edges wouldn't be as sharp as they appear.

Show me a photo of the planet like Earth in Goggle earth and it is in focus.

Wouldn't I need to be in space to do that?

How much did you zoom or crop to get that.

The image was not resized, only cropped from the original 4000x3000 photo.

This is the relevant EXIF data.

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Exposure Time                   : 1/4
F Number                        : 5.0
Exposure Program                : Manual
ISO                             : 800
Max Aperture Value              : 4.9
Focal Length                    : 110.4 mm
Exif Image Width                : 4000
Exif Image Height               : 3000
Digital Zoom Ratio              : 0
Focal Length In 35mm Format     : 624 mm
Gain Control                    : High gain up
Contrast                        : Normal
Saturation                      : Normal
Sharpness                       : Normal
Subject Distance Range          : Unknown
---- Composite ----
Aperture                        : 5.0
Image Size                      : 4000x3000
Scale Factor To 35 mm Equivalent: 5.7
Shutter Speed                   : 1/4
Create Date                     : 2011:10:14 23:32:57.000
Date/Time Original              : 2011:10:14 23:32:57.000
Circle Of Confusion             : 0.005 mm
Field Of View                   : 3.3 deg
Focal Length                    : 110.4 mm (35 mm equivalent: 624.0 mm)
Hyperfocal Distance             : 458.56 m
Light Value                     : 3.6


And you say you can focus on the dust on your lens and really see it?

Yes, sometimes I have problems trying to focus on very close objects because of that.

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Show a photo of clear dust.
Didn't you see the photo of the "1"? The piece of paper was put on the lens.
As that camera also makes videos, here's a video of me putting the paper on the lens, with the camera pointing at the ceiling. You can see some dust on the lens when my hand is over the camera, as the darker (when compared to the white ceiling) skin makes the dust noticeable.

I sent it to your email, I hope you don't mind.

There is no way your camera can take a focused shot that far. Lucky if you can get 100 meters.

There's a difference between focus, noise and chromatic aberration. While my camera can focus on things very far away (like all cameras), it has a little too much noise and chromatic aberration to make really good photos, but for the price (I didn't pay a thing, thanks to my boss ) it's very good.

Focus to me means crystal clear, not just light.

Can't you tell the difference between a focused and an unfocused light?

[ArMaP]

I hope you are not going to tell us you did not refocus from the paper on the lens.

No, I am not going to tell that, as I obviously made some changes, from auto-focus to super macro and, accordingly, the focus.

It's not a pinhole camera, after all.

The minimum focus as per the spects on the wb5000 at super macro is 1 cm. This is one great camera.Hope you show some more images with that unit.

The only thing I don't like in that camera is that, when in video mode, only has autofocus. On of the things I like the most is the possibility of defining the white point just by pointing to something white and pressing the shutter button.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Can you elaborate on this so I can add it to the reports?

Do you recall those military guys that used to be attached to the Disclosure project who are still claiming 'UFO's' shut down that Nuclear missile site in the 60's?  Their description of what they saw fits the PLASMAs..

Now in the 60's our tech was still sloppy... I find it likely that the PLASMA's energy tripped some sensors that in turn triggered an automatic shutdown... not that the CRITTERS actually intentionally did it. They were just sniffing out the energy source (Like power lines, thunderstorms and the tether ) and their mere PRESENCE triggered the shutdowns

The thing is if you look at case like these it is far easier to explain with Plasma Critters than Alien spacecraft

Hi Z,  what you are thinking may have been the case.
But the case in interest re.
Quote;

Do you recall those military guys that used to be attached to the Disclosure project who are still claiming 'UFO's' shut down that Nuclear missile site in the 60's?  Their description of what they saw fits the PLASMAs..

The main concern... was it intentional or not ?

This is what placed some, ("Investigators") at that time and still today, into a huge dilemma.   

This "Pseudo Intelligent State" just as the human Brain is a "Pseudo Intelligent" Processor,
it is NOT an easy task, to detect whether or not such "Processing" (Critters) involves deliberate
"Interfacing" from an External source.

If it was/is Intentional, then this opens a huge "Can of Worms", around our present understanding
of WHAT LIFE actually is, and HOW our "Environmental experience" is produced
or Presented to us individually.

It is in this area of questioning, which has been, and is of Interest to both National security, as well as Science.


Maybe this is where the Ancient Term, "The Watchers" came from ?   

"The Watchers" were/are perhaps, Partitions of "Awareness" i.e. LIFE itself ?

These 3 from "Ancient Texts" are NOT the Same.
(NOT to be taken/interpreted as religious material)

1.      "The Watchers".
2.      "Angels".
3.      "Aliens", described as Bastards and Reprobates. (Cross breads or Hybrids) Human/Alien cross.
          As found in such writings/records as "The Book(s) of E'NOCH".

(( "To bear one's cross", in ancient writings (today made into religious superstition) could be referring to,
the "human Genome". (Cross Bread) ))

Conclusion:
"Critters" may come in various types.

Some are/can be used as "Interfaces" for a large range of different purposes.
While others are purely automatic Pseudo "Processing Systems".

A bit like our various Organic Species on Earth.

Some are "Interfaces" used by an external source (LIFE) some are Not.   

i.e. some involve Automatic responses, while others involves The Interfacing of "Awareness" or LIFE...

The "External Source" is often LIFE itself, or a "Partition" of LIFE (NOT of any Universe,
or other "Pseudo world", but instead a Non-Dimensional source.)

[08rubicon]

 O.K. guys;
   I have a question. First, I know nothing, and I am sure many on this forum
has the answer.. So, we have a wire, 1 in. dia, several miles long, floating
in space. It is not connected to anything on either end. no + no -, no ground,
so no curent flow. It is in the vacume of space, with no water vapor, no air,
no dust.Why does this wire glow to a large diameter that can be imaged
from 80 miles distance.?While the 'dust' 30 ft. away is in the same image ?
   My thoughts. This wire is several feet in length, floating in a generated
magnetic field. The glow is from the interior lighting of the lab where this
experiment was conducted. This would explain how the 'dust' would be in
same image as the wire..Both within the infocus range of most videocams.
   This experiment was conducted in a lab here on earth, not out in space.
  I think this is just another nasa joke on us. The unit this wire was connected
to in the experiment would have been the grounded end of the wire, and
the curent produced by the magnetic field, flowed to the grounded unit.
    rubicon

[Gigas]

Late 90s I saw this light orb fly over my head in the night sky. It was silent, moving at a moderate speed straight east and just under the broken clouds above. The light orb was pea size and glowed very bright and made the clouds shimmer along from its light.

I felt that emotion I got when in 88 they took me up in a circular room. I became afraid as I looked up at it and ran into my house slamming the front door shut.





I have small green orbs that attach to my bedroom wall and simply sit there and watch me. 1 orb remained there for two hours as the others faded out.

[American-Roadwarrior]

My masterpiece and favorite self produced video among the Tether debunk series:

THE TETHER SATELLITE EXPERIMENT



And then just to be fair, one for the other side:



And should any of you ever have a moment of clarity, flag me down and say hi!  Tell me about it!

My video series stand on their own. I put enough work into them that I can stand back and watch them either be absorbed or rejected depending on the reason-ability and comprehension of their viewers. I admit they may not be perfect but their certainly a good start.
I always challenge people to find even one error in any video, any description or even any comment I make. I always welcome constructive criticism.