More clues from Star Trek

[petrus4]

I'm currently watching an episode of Deep Space Nine called Past Tense.

It revolves around Sisko, Bashir, and Dax having gone back in time to the year 2024, where they witness an event called the Bell Riots.  The event happened because every city in America started to enforce what they called "sanctuary zones;" guarded, enclosed tent cities and slums, within the existing cities, because there was so much unemployment and starvation that they didn't know what else to do with all the people.

Bashir and Sisko share some dialogue about the situation; and it made me realise that one of the differences between the hypothetical Federation society and our current one, is that in that society, everyone had developed the understanding that they were interdependent on everyone else, in order to survive.

I'm realising something else; and that is that I need to keep trying to teach myself as much about different areas of engineering as I can, because in terms of what Amaterasu has described with TAP, and in terms of Trek's own replicators and such, the society's ability to feed itself only came about in the end, as a result of developing and deploying that technology.

I really think those are the two things we need; for both permaculture and some forms of industrial technology to be employed towards peaceful and beneficial ends, and for people to learn to really value our interdependence, and to realise that without each other, we cannot survive.  I am not suggesting an abandonment of individuality, at all; but I really think that at this point, the pendulum has swung way too far in that direction.  We need balance.

[Gigas]

The movie THEY LIVE struck a bell for me.

In that 1988 movie they show the rise in greed by the rich who seek fame and fortune. It was reward system doweled out by the aliens secretly running the planet. There were the have and have nots. Have nots lost it all and ended up in a tent slum and were constantly marched on by brutal authority.

People spoke out on what was happening but authority stepped in and shut them up.

That movie depicts what we have today.

[Somamech]

Hey when's deep space nine on Petrus ?  One station was running that back to back on sat night's not so long ago which was really grand as I had never seen that series before.

I love Replicators of the Star Trek vision.. not so fond of them SG1 though for obvious reasons

They tie in so well to The Mainstream Science Cusp of Holographic Theory.  People say 3D printing is the next big thing which is kinda odd considering it's been around for a long time already.  Creating from the Holographic principle or even finding some sorta way to do what is going with stem cell's in a manufacturing viewpoint is the future. Well thats my humble take on it anyway.. even got some hardcore nutz at work on that idea now who work in 3D printing...sometime the odd do win over folke that are die hard Nasa Fans

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

They are already working on 3-D food printers that can make tasy colourful meals out of protein mush
Kind of getting toward the replicator thing.

Lets not forget the only thing that can make this happen is a new & totally free form of energy. Once we have enough energy we can do literally anything....

[petrus4]

Hey when's deep space nine on Petrus ?

http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/internet/star_trek_deep_space_nine/

Right here, Soma.

Well thats my humble take on it anyway.. even got some hardcore nutz at work on that idea now who work in 3D printing...sometime the odd do win over folke that are die hard Nasa Fans

I should probably get me a 3D printer.  I could probably afford RepRap.

[zorgon]

They are already working on 3-D food printers that can make tasy colourful meals out of protein mush
Kind of getting toward the replicator thing.

Lets not forget the only thing that can make this happen is a new & totally free form of energy. Once we have enough energy we can do literally anything....

.... still waiting....

[Somamech]

I would not waste money on any 3D printer Petrus

[VillageIdiot]

1. Would we have to rely so heavily on others if we had controlled our breeding?

2. What would the planet be like in 2013 with a population of 500,000,000 ala Georgia Guidestones?

3. Have you seen the mistakes that have come out of 3D printers?

[robomont]

3d food printer=soilent green is made out of people=new movie cloud atlas.
if you study organ and cell structure.the future isnt as hopefull as we hope.be very weary of food in a hundred years.it may be your best friend or uncle that just passed away.

[zorgon]

[Amaterasu]

1. Would we have to rely so heavily on others if we had controlled our breeding?

What? You think We're overpopulated??? 

Every One of Us could live in Texas and have 1000+ sq. ft.

We produce more food than ALL of Us could eat - with a large portion thrown out (not counting the wilted stuff given to charity) distributing by PROFIT and not need.

This planet has enough to support 10 times the present population NOW, and if new farming methods (like vertical farming) were used, maybe 100 times the present population.

Overpopulation is an "elitist" lie to get Us believing there are too many of Us.  THEY want fewer so as to have greater control.

[petrus4]

Yes, the transporter is unsafe for use by living organisms; and precisely because it depends on the same fundamental Cartesian lie that transhumanism (specifically defined, in this case, as complete prosthetic or cybernetic replacement of the human body) itself does.

I do also have some concerns with the 3D printing or matter replication of food, as well.  One of said concerns relates to quality control, (hygiene, nutrition, and the overall nature of the base materials used) and the other is the lack of positive aetheric impregnation, which can be an important part of good food preparation, as others have noted.  If we are going to produce good food via automated processes, both of these issues would need to be overcome.

I would invite you to go and re-read Another Possibility, Zorgon; my own response to Amaterasu's foundational story.  If you do, you will note two things:-

a}  I presuppose the existence of the aether as a given.  I even specifically mention limited transcorporeal migration.

b}  As a consequence of this, I do not advocate the use of any technology which presupposes Cartesian/non-animistic mechanism, which includes but is not limited to, invasive cybernetic technology, and matter to energy teleportation of living organisms.  I mention the idea of ERP bridges, yes; but that presupposes that actual physical dematerialisation does not take place. 

I do not consider any technology which involves physical dematerialisation of living beings to be morally acceptable, because I do not believe that the spirit of the person could remain bound to the body in such a scenario.  Limited cybernetic prosthesis may be acceptable, but I personally would not advocate the use of it.  Replacement of the heart and brain in particular is anathema, as these are the two organs with which I believe the spirit is primarily linked.  I myself do not even wear glasses; and my uncle who is an optometrist, has repeatedly prescribed me a pair.

I would again request, as I have several times now, that you make some attempt to truly understand me, before you engage in generalisations.

[undo11]

petrus

ever hear of quantum entanglement?

[petrus4]

petrus

ever hear of quantum entanglement?

Yes, Undo, I have.  AFAIK though, we haven't figured out how to make that work at the macroscopic level, yet.

Also, assuming hypothetically that teleportation via entanglement could work, it would presumably be much safer to use than the model of teleportation depicted in Star Trek; which would be subject to exactly the kinds of accidents that Zorgon was implying with that video.

[VillageIdiot]

What? You think We're overpopulated??? 

Every One of Us could live in Texas and have 1000+ sq. ft.

We produce more food than ALL of Us could eat - with a large portion thrown out (not counting the wilted stuff given to charity) distributing by PROFIT and not need.

This planet has enough to support 10 times the present population NOW, and if new farming methods (like vertical farming) were used, maybe 100 times the present population.

Overpopulation is an "elitist" lie to get Us believing there are too many of Us.  THEY want fewer so as to have greater control.

Then why the hell do we live on top of one another? There's no room to breathe. You fart in your bathroom and your neighbor smells it in his. Stupid.