Balancing Baalbek

[Littleenki]

Many here know of the site in Lebanon called Baalbek, and have ruminated over the methods of how the Trilithon stones were cut and placed, while weighing nearly 1000 tons.



So, the forum here should provide a number of interesting ideas on how the original builders cut, dressed and placed the stones of the Trilithon, and why there is one more stone in the quarry, unsevered from the source bedrock, and very indicative of the methods used to place it once cut, which it is.

Ill start with my theory, and it involves the movement and placing of the stones themselves after being cut by whatever means had been utilized.

One who moves a refrigerator can understand my idea with ease....get the shape on one corner and all downward force will be placed on that one point, rendering the shape nearly weightless to the person able to control it's balance.



The stone of the pregnant woman protrudes out from the bedrock at an angle which implies the possibility of someone using blocks and fulcrums to raise it once the final cuts had been made at it's attachment to the existing bedrock.

The shape is then walked along and finally placed in situ with fulcrums and levers, blocks and other wooden and stone implements, which if found today would appear as just meaningless chunks to the casual observer, and gems of truth to the engineer.

So, my stone is in place....but who cut it for me and how...any ideas?

[sky otter]

hi Dave

as for cutting your stone.. talk to robo - he has a new toy

as much as i would like to believe they did it with engineering.. i just can't

magnets and lazers that's my best guess..or if they were THAT smart..maybe just mental images


not tryin to be a smartazz either.....i do think we have been too limited in figureing it all out

[Somamech]

Ha! 

I watched a very cool documentary a few year's about this place

http://www.museumsandtheweb.com/mw2001/papers/kenderine/kenderdine.html

Everything made sense in that Doco, seriously it was well made, with the people making the doco and the artisans working on it.  They lacked one thing though...How ya get those stone's up during the Renovation without modern crane's ? 

That part was omitted in the "How we did back in the old day's"

[A51Watcher]

Le -


Here's a few that show the angle of the other end, and surrounding blocks and cuts -
(click on images to view full size)







The Aswan quarry might also provide some clues -

[Elvis Hendrix]

All the ancient megalith sites are fascinating to me.
And one thing is universal.
There is no way in hell, ancient humans could have moved the biggest stones.

Absolutely no way whatsoever,

Without machinery.

Anybody prove me wrong.

Elvis

[ArMaP]

They may have used a variation of the method in the video below, using gravity to do the heavy work.

[zorgon]

They may have used a variation of the method in the video below, using gravity to do the heavy work.

The quarries in some cases were as much as 500 miles away....

Lifting a stone in situ is one thing... but transporting those stones that far is another.

Egyptians recorded everything they did in mundane life in pictures on the walls in art

Show me were the art is showing the construction methods, since building these megalith would have taken up most of their lives.

[zorgon]

It is thought that, at construction, the Great Pyramid was originally 280 Egyptian cubits tall, 146.5 metres (480.6 ft) but with erosion and absence of its pyramidion, its present height is 138.8 metres (455.4 ft). Each base side was 440 cubits, 230.4 metres (755.9 ft) long. The mass of the pyramid is estimated at 5.9 million tonnes. The volume, including an internal hillock, is roughly 2,500,000 cubic metres.[3] Based on these estimates, building this in 20 years would involve installing approximately 800 tonnes of stone every day. Similarly, since it consists of an estimated 2.3 million blocks, completing the building in 20 years would involve moving an average of more than 12 of the blocks into place each hour, day and night. The first precision measurements of the pyramid were made by Egyptologist Sir Flinders Petrie in 1880–82 and published as The Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh. Almost all reports are based on his measurements. Many of the casing stones and inner chamber blocks of the Great Pyramid were fit together with extremely high precision. Based on measurements taken on the north eastern casing stones, the mean opening of the joints is only 0.5 millimetres wide (1/50th of an inch).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza


Similarly, since it consists of an estimated 2.3 million blocks, completing the building in 20 years would involve moving an average of more than 12 of the blocks into place each hour, day and night

This is NOT including the time spent in CUTTING them from the quarry or transporting them from the quarry

more than 12 of the blocks into place each hour, day and night

Sorry for SHOUTING

But this is the point everyone over looks and this is only for ONE of the pyramids

[ArMaP]

Lifting a stone in situ is one thing... but transporting those stones that far is another.

I was talking about the lifting, I should have made it clearer, sorry about that.

[ArMaP]

This is NOT including the time spent in CUTTING them from the quarry or transporting them from the quarry

The time spent in CUTTING (see, I can shout too) and transporting them is irrelevant to the time it took to build it, or do you count the time spent making the bricks, the cement, the iron bars, etc. when counting the time it takes to build a house?

You might as well count the time it takes for a tree to grow, so you can cut it down, make some planks and build a dog-house, then you can tell that it took some 20 years to build it.

[undo11]

actually, if i'm not mistaken, z thinks the stones were lifted with sound

[ArMaP]

actually, if i'm not mistaken, z thinks the stones were lifted with sound

That explains the SHOUTING. 

[robomont]

the stones could have been cut with giant hemp ropes covered in resin and coated with crushed quartz.the rope would be on a pully connected to a animals walking in a circle.the longer the run the straighter and smoother the cut.think two hundred ft+ runs on a cut.
the blocks could be pulled by teams of animals on stone bearings lubed with lard or other fats.the track for the bearings would be wood  or stone .

if researching.i would look for level path from quarry to build site.maybe same altitude on path using gps?or goolgle earth or such.

we should

[ArMaP]

the stones could have been cut with giant hemp ropes covered in resin and coated with crushed quartz.

That would work if the rock is above the ground, but, from what I have seen, most quarries are cut in a side of a mountain or hill, so they only have three free sides, the stone is part of a rock face, either vertical or horizontal.

Unless I misunderstood what you were saying.

[zorgon]

I was talking about the lifting, I should have made it clearer, sorry about that.

No you were VERY clear...

But you fall into the same format used by all skeptics You explain only ONE point with a possible solution and do not look at the overall logistic