Gladiators of truth, I call this recent plane crash, phony BS

[zorgon]

go to link for vocal recording of interchange of plane and tower.
it's not that i don't think we are being played..it's just that i don't see the reason behind it
and at this point it is all up in the air

I agree   All those news reports, the shootings, the bomb, this plane... your right it really makes no sense as a false flag thing.

Problem is there are too many weird things going on in photos that make people say "Dunno fer sure... but SOMETHING is wrong with this..."

Then we get to play detective and see if we can find out what.

I still have in my head those first photos of Pennsylvania during 9/11 where that huge plane just vanished. I don't care what they say, an airplane that size does not just disappear (or vaporize) into a small hole entirely and leave no trace save a single engine that was most likely in the scoop when they dug

Here is that picture...


DUH GEE GEORGE WHERE DID IT GO???  HUH???



First Responders - The Local Volunteer Firemen



I swear  anyone that can buy THAT garbage and look me in the eye and say "Yeah that was a plane crash.."  deserves everything the PTB dishes out

But what does it matter? save for a few conspiracy nuts digging for real answers, the rest of the sheep will either follow the official version without question, OR make up some really weird hair brained version and Tweet it

But yeah the question remains WHY

[The Seeker]

In the first(ground level) photo, it appears what ever is burning is beside the plane; the opposite side view shows a partially burnt engine nacelle lying in front of the wing next to the fuselage, possibly the source of the smoke in photo 1;

as for the steps visible at the nose in the second photo I would surmise that emergency crews probably placed those there to have access to the control cabin;

as for the people shown on the ground after the crash, remember it is a still photo, they have been in a crash, and quite possibly between the shock and who knows what injuries they might not have been able to run...

seeker

[sky otter]

Z
you really don't want to get me started on that topic
you are opening an entirely different can of worms with the 911 shooting down of that plane

that's only a couple of hours from me..and they have turned it into a shrine..total waste of space and tons of money poured in..

The proposed boundaries of the National Memorial extend from Lambertsville Road to U.S. Route 30. It will be about 2,200 acres (890 ha), of which about 1,000 acres (400 ha) will be privately held, but protected through partnership agreements. The memorial itself would be a 400-acre (160 ha) bowl-shaped area, with 1,800 acres (730 ha) surrounding as a buffer.[8] In December 2002, landowner Tim Lambert donated 6 acres (2.4 ha) at the crash site, and entered discussions with the Conservation Fund regarding 160 acres (65 ha) additional.[9] Using some funds donated from receipts for the film United 93, the Families of Flight 93 organization purchased 3 acres (1.2 ha) in the summer of 2006. The organization is also seeking $10 million in federal funding to use for acquiring land.[8] In November 2006, the Conservation Fund acquired 100 acres (40 ha) as buffer land which are to be managed by the Pennsylvania Game Commission.[10] PBS Coals Inc. sold 900 acres (360 ha) to the families' organization in March 2008.[11]..


but
one of my theories is it give free and unquestioned access to the military, as it is now a huge national park,
the military  already have a very heavy presents in that area..
i know you have heard of raven rock and guess what -  not far from there is chestnut ridge..where sooooo many bigfoot sightings take place..
lots of money and private compounds - lots of rich folk up in chestnut ridge..it was a favorite place ( and still might be) of that vp who shot his friend....private hunting and that stuff
the whole area is honeycombed with mines and tunnels..well actually most of western pa is

so ..deep breath..sorry i get going on that one


anyway.. with this latest thing...the Why is still my primary question in the conspriacy thing

not saying it is or isn't..just What would be the point of making it up...tell me that and we can go from there


and if you have ever been present in any accident situations you  know that photos and stories
can vary and sometimes not fit ...so there is that to consider

sigh

whatever

[Gigas]

When this story first broke with photos, They had a view from overhead and the scene had no smoke and no fire, no scorching and no cabin damage. The scene was staged. Photos and narrative further on began the fakery of a cabin fire and a burned out cabin.

There is no indication in all that dirt of a several hundred thousand pound piece of machinery sliding across the ground let along spinning as one witness claimed.

Look at the staged scene where the foam truck spilled a minor spray of foam as if the foam operator turned on the spray to test it and shut it off right away. That fuselage should be covered in foam and so should the ground. Another thing, why is the ground not saturated and discolored with dampness from spray foam.

This thing does not ad right rightly cause its staged, a fakery for TV as a distraction to something new coming our way.

[Gigas]

one of my theories is it give free and unquestioned access to the military, as it is now a huge national park,
the military  already have a very heavy presents in that area..
i know you have heard of raven rock and guess what -  not far from there is chestnut ridge..where sooooo many bigfoot sightings take place..
lots of money and private compounds - lots of rich folk up in chestnut ridge..it was a favorite place ( and still might be) of that vp who shot his friend....private hunting and that stuff
the whole area is honeycombed with mines and tunnels..well actually most of western pa is

so ..deep breath..
sigh

whatever

Since your right on top a that, can you recall any missing people or kids in that general area.

[Gigas]

They just slipped a laughable explanation into the story. The pilot was in training with 43 hours behind the controls of the 777.

Any pilots flying commercial want to weigh in on that absurdity

[Gigas]

Well I do understand your point and I would have agreed with you until I learned the Boston marathon bomb drill was real.

But I can see why people think there is a problem with this one.  Compare the teo images together  I see a lot of issues



In the top picture:

1)the people are simply strolling around taking pictures as if it was no big deal. There is no panic, no running, no one worried the plane might explode (which happens when fire and airplane fuel mix ) No panic just calm meandering some carrying their bags

2)there are NO rescue vehicles and personal at the scene... what took them so long to get there?

3) the front door in top picture has a slide but in the bottom picture it is a stairway (this could have been changed later)

4) No holes in the top

5) That smoke is definitely behind the plane, not coming from the top... possibly an engine on the hidden wing, but that smoke is not from the fuselage


So is it faked or real? Don't know what is going on but those two images tell two different stories

Look in the cock pit window, why is the pilot still sitting in there and not outside directing people to run, get away, there maybe a fire or tank explosion. People are milling around, nothing serious, just standing near the plane like a photo shoot opportunity stage. I posted a video of a crash landing and the pilot jumped out his flight window to the ground as we have seen others do the same.

Notice also the small amount of foam under the WING of the second pic as if hey, nothing.

[Gigas]

Possible cause ?

The aircraft may have suffered what is known as "Wind Shear".

John Lear may have some thoughts on this ?

I am certainly no expert. 

I understand "Wind Shear", often occurs over sea water, near land masses.
So an aircraft looses altitude rapidly, through lack of lift, in such conditions.

Sometimes experienced near Wellington airport in NZ, so aircraft now come in at
a stepper decent.

In this video, we see the aircraft



contact the water then tries to lift.

This is where the aircraft possibly started bouncing, (on the water) as reported
by some. (Passengers)

Contacting the "Seawall" (with the tail section) may have caused the aircraft to lift, (Bounce)
until it contacted the ground where it stopped.

As for the two photos of the air craft, re openings in the aircraft; The fire may
have stared internally at 1st, then (People walking away from the aircraft but notice
NO fire trucks etc.) by the time most were clear of the wreckage, then the fire
involved a smoke explosion or combustible gasses from the upholstery in the cabin.

OMG, that looks cool but not the plane we are being shown. For instance, did you take that in where the plane rises up very noticeably and slams down. Yet the images we are shown, show the forward fuselage intact, after slamming down on the runway.

The wings should have come off and the nose should have separated as we see in the third video I posted of a controlled crash landing up aways.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Hi Z,

I still have in my head those first photos of Pennsylvania during 9/11 where that huge plane just vanished.

That's because there was No plane .... 

IMHO, 9/11 would be one of the biggest conspiracies which the human species has ever been exposed to.      

[Gigas]

Ya know, if they would have staged this scene better I wouldn't be all over them.

Here's what it looks like when a plane disturbs ground when all goes wrong.

[zorgon]

That's because there was No plane .... 

  but but Rumsfeld says they shot it down...   

Mwhahaha

[Amaterasu]

but i also need to ask you..what would be the point of this being a fake..?

Distraction? 

[Amaterasu]

Apparently, this is a video of the crash.

Um... What's with the blurred out sides of the vid?!?

[sky otter]

Since your right on top a that, can you recall any missing people or kids in that general area.

Gigas
sorry..i don't recall anything along those lines..it's been awhile and emotions were running high
then about the whole thing..so even if there was mention of such.. i don't recall it


and ok so the pics don't match..wouldn't be the first time the news has coughed up some old or irrelavant pic cause they didn't have first hand ones yet..that doesn't make it a conspiracy..just really bad reporting

and a distraction of or for what...

i'm not saying no to either idea..just asking for more...you can't call shame on them and then turn around and not complete and/or backup  your answers or thoughts...unless of course you label it for what it is..opinion
and that's just mine..opinion that is...
i need reasons and proof before i jump on any bandwagon so i'll just sit here and  read for now
and ask lots and lots of questions

[zorgon]

Um... What's with the blurred out sides of the vid?!?

The man behind the curtain?



"Distraction"  That could be a why... like a Vegas Magician...

"Look over here... at the pretty half naked girl... so you won't see what I do over here"