My answer to Atheism

[Amaterasu]

Gold for that, robo!

You, too, ArMaP.  Good point about believing in green cats...

[rdunk]

The real existence of something is irrelevant for someone believing in it or not.

If I say that I have a green cat, would you believed it? If you didn't, did that mean that there are green cats?

PS: I do not have a cat.

armap, that is nearly funny, as far as the green cat is concerned. But on the serious side of things, which is about an an Answer to atheism".....................having faith in God, or not believing there is a god, is the crux of life for all humanity. Man is certainly free to believe whatsoever he/she thinks as his or her "reality", and that thinking will determine all things for each of us.

armap, you tell me you have a green cat, I would have no reason to not believe you. But, whether or not I accept what you say is true, the fact of the matter makes no eternal difference. If you say the cat is green, quacks like a duck, but doesn't have webbed feet, the same thought would apply.

But, when the scripture says in Numbers 22:28, "And Jehovah openeth the mouth of the ass, and she saith to Balaam, `What have I done to thee that thou hast smitten me these three times?'", my belief in that as fact is absolute, and without question.

Already, we know of gray cats, white cats, black cats, stripped cats, orange cats, calico cats, assorted color cats, and etc. BUT, I only know of one ass that is presented as having actually spoken to a man, and that was Balaam's ass..

Now, on the lighter side armap, here is a link that just might give some credibility to your statement, if you actually have, or have ever thought about having, a real "green cat"

http://messybeast.com/green-cat/green-genes.htm

                                               
                                                             

[undo11]

ACIM'S take on Reincarnation is interesting..That it doesn't exist because time is an illusion....There is no past life, because there is no past..

Andy
Andy

interesting, interesting.  the illusionary nature of time makes things seem to be what they are not.  for example, tmt's continued references to the body being a dead thing.   corruptibility is an aspect of time.  everything around us, has a shelf life, an expiration date -- a feature of time.  if time is irrelevant, we are already dead because we, that is our flesh, has a shelf life.

[zorgon]

ill stick with reincarnation because ive seen too much on a first person bases.
living in a small tightknit community.its easy to see.

I am in my 8th and I recall many things from 2.  I have also run into strangers that I instinctively knew... John used to think it was not true, but since he talked to sleeper he too know understands. Sleeper via Milton the aliens, has told John that this is his last cycle on Earth.

In Tibetan belief, also reflected in Rosicrucian and other esoteric teachings, life cycles follow numerology  and thus work in nines.  If that does hold true, I have one more cycle to go on Earth

You have all hard that cats have nine lives...  Tibetans believe that cats are watching over us   The Egyptians also worshiped cats. It is all connected, no matter what one believes. That is why a person's religion is irrelevant... because in the end when the body takes that final breathe... we will KNOW.

If we are not but food for worms, it will be a moot point, end of line. But if there is more  all that matters is how you lived your life... and can you look in the mirror and say "I did no evil"

i think some come back as animals though.not any hard evidence on that.just theory on the animal part.

" hard evidence" is a tricky thing. Depends where you look. In most reincarnation doctrines you cannot go backwards. You can repeat a cycle if you screwed up (Hitler is going to be doing a LOT of do overs... Karma is a real bitch ) but you cannot go down the food chain as it were.  Even science agrees that we were once microbes that lived in the see until one fish crawled out onto the land. That is why we still have gills when in the womb

But anyone who says animals don't have a soul has never owned FERRETS   When we lost our little thief, Smokey was holding her on the last night.... then she just went to sleep...

there is no hard proof god exist.sounds like a new government program?

Well the problem here is that those that believe in a God can usually not be shaken by logic... yet there are so many Gods or versions of God that it is not only confusing, but they kill each other over which version is right

ALL of the main religions say killing is BAD, yet they all have killed the other guy for not believing. So the age old question is WHICH GOD is the one true god?  Most Christians will deny that Jews and Muslim worship the same god, while Muslim will say Allah controls everything. Jews are a little more open.  Yet at the top level the three Abrahamic sects do agree they worship the same guy...

So why not come out publicly and say so? Stop the wars?

And if there is only one true "Word of God" why do we have so many splinter groups in all those religions?  IF there is a God  there can only be ONE... there can only be ONE true "Word of God"  Yet I can list you thousands of versions all claiming to be the RIGHT version and you must believe or go straight to hell, don't pass go, don't collect $200.00

i do believe there is something just dont know what "it" is.unless its me in a future existence with time travel abilities.in which case .i apologize for screwing everybodies life up.im still learning.

Just call it "The Force" In the end that is probably the closest to the truth. YODA made one statement... it is the most powerful line written in that movie...

"...For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship."

Basically it is our life force... every living creature has it and the fact that energy cannot be destroyed only changed should tell you that this is true. The Universe is 90% plasma energy. a constant life force that creates new planets. Blackholes were once thought to destroy everything, but today we know that 'new' energy streams out of the poles starting the process all over.

I don't care what religion you are, which gods you worship. So long as it works FOR YOU... I KNOW 1005 FOR CERTAIN that when we die, that will be the moment of truth, so until then what does it matter whose religion is right?

What gets my dander up is THUMPERS  Those that have the need to push their version down other peoples throat.

Keep your god to yourself.... I already found mine... I don't need to be saved.

It is fine and dandy to discuss ones beliefs... that is what humans do

It is fine and dandy to show your path to others that are still seeking their own path...

But it is not fine to insist that your path is the ONLY path and try to force it on others

90% of the worlds war (if not all) are because someone is trying to force their will on you

"A Thousand Monks, A Thousand religions" That is the creedo I live by.  Each is on their own path. Ask me and I will show you mine. Need help I will point you in the right direction according to me...

But no preaching

[ArMaP]

In Tibetan belief, also reflected in Rosicrucian and other esoteric teachings, life cycles follow numerology  and thus work in nines.  If that does hold true, I have one more cycle to go on Earth

And, apparently, on a decimal base.

You have all hard that cats have nine lives...

That's a cultural thing, in Portugal we say that cats have seven lives, not nine.

That is why a person's religion is irrelevant... because in the end when the body takes that final breathe... we will KNOW.

Or not.

If we are not but food for worms, it will be a moot point, end of line. But if there is more  all that matters is how you lived your life... and can you look in the mirror and say "I did no evil"

I think that, even if we are just food for worms (and there's nothing wrong in being food for worms, worms need food too ), all that matters is how you lived your life.

[The Seeker]

It seems the cycle must endlessly repeat itself... for those of you with religious beliefs, go see the correct medical personnel and have a death experience; not near death, but experience death itself... I do not quantify mine as being near death, for I was legally dead for 33 minutes, was being prepped to go to the morgue when my heart started beating again...

time is an aspect of this side of the veil; on the other side you can grasp everything from the beginning to the end at once, even see where you are at on the journey, can feel the force as Z says, for you do feel connected to all things,realize that everything is ONE, for the sum total of all the parts makes up the whole, just as your meatsuit is composed of billions of cells, separate yet connected to make one complete you; it does not matter what anyone believes, it is all about how you live your life and the experiences...

tis simple, really, can be summed up easily; I am a spiritual being having a human experience, not a human having a spiritual experience...

dead men tell no tales unless they come back with memories of the other side and choose to share with those having doubts or questions...


seeker

[Amaterasu]

interesting, interesting.  the illusionary nature of time makes things seem to be what they are not.  for example, tmt's continued references to the body being a dead thing.   corruptibility is an aspect of time.  everything around us, has a shelf life, an expiration date -- a feature of time.  if time is irrelevant, we are already dead because we, that is our flesh, has a shelf life.

I don't know that that is entirely true. There are animals and plants that seem to have no decay mechanism or are so ancient none can be sure just how old they really are.

So it is conceivable that the decay mechanism can be turned off.  And maybe that's the point of the game, the past being the back story and here We are with the possibility of a choice to live forever...

Life is, after all, just the ultimate WoW, eh? [smile]

[zorgon]

And, apparently, on a decimal base.

Well Numerology works on a slightly different system

Take my name for example...  Ronald Schmidt (no initial)

---->965134  1384942  = 28, 31 = 10, 4 = 5

So my 'number' as it were is 5

IF that had come out to an 11, 22 or 33 those are master numbers and would not be reduced. (hence the 33 degrees in Masonic and other esoteric groups)

With the numbers generated from your birth name, date of birth and location of birth many tings can be revealed. Takes to long to do a workup on one person though  I used to do it many years ago. Problem was people got freaked out how accurate it was about them and spooked them

If I can find the guidelines online I will make a thread  or maybe scan the parts from the book

That's a cultural thing, in Portugal we say that cats have seven lives, not nine.

Then in Portugal you have your math wrong

I think that, even if we are just food for worms (and there's nothing wrong in being food for worms, worms need food too ), all that matters is how you lived your life.

Well if you live a good life your flesh might be more tasty to the worms   But yes  after all is said and done... it IS how you lived it that counts

[Amaterasu]

Interesting, z.  My name reduces to 11.

[petrus4]

As our understanding of reality continues to shift and expand, I think the perspective of Atheism will have to, as well.

I personally believe that the fruit of what we currently call Atheism, has yet to fully mature.  Science will continue to learn about quantum mechanics, and as it does so, it will gradually be compelled to admit the existence of acorporeal reality.  Pure Cartesian materialism will become obsolete.

In such an environment, the definition of Atheism will change; from a disbelief in acorporeal reality in general, to a disbelief in specific, individual deities as they have traditionally been defined.

[andolin]

Numerology is very interesting, but as Z says charting can be intimidating.
Nowadays there are professional software packages to calculate the base numbers and life paths ect...
My destiny (Name) number is 9, BTW.

Here is a link for more info and one of the better Software packages.
Decoz master numerology package is popular.
Decoz is a fan of the pythagorean system...
There are also some less extensive freeware programs out there
http://www.decoz.com/pythagoras.htm

Andy

[ArMaP]

Well Numerology works on a slightly different system

Take my name for example...  Ronald Schmidt (no initial)

---->965134  1384942  = 28, 31 = 10, 4 = 5

That sure looks like decimal.

Then in Portugal you have your math wrong

Or second hand cats.

[ArMaP]

In such an environment, the definition of Atheism will change; from a disbelief in acorporeal reality in general, to a disbelief in specific, individual deities as they have traditionally been defined.

"Disbelief in acorporeal reality"?

No, just disbelief in the existence of god(s).

At least for me.

[Amaterasu]

That sure looks like decimal.
Or second hand cats.

Actually, it's not. It is only nine numbers.  Decimal requires a zero, making ten (and yes, I say zero IS a "number" by its very useful function in the whole system of...numbers).

[ArMaP]

Actually, it's not. It is only nine numbers.  Decimal requires a zero, making ten (and yes, I say zero IS a "number" by its very useful function in the whole system of...numbers).

Yes, I know that the 0 is missing, but is it a base 10 or a base 9 system?

PS: I have been calling it decimal because I couldn't remember the correct name. Now that I did, the name is, as posted above, "base 10 system".