poverty saps people's brainpower and may lower IQ by 13 points

[astr0144]

Suggestions that Youngsters watching TV is dumbing them down more..
Especially in later years for their Vocabulary and maths  Skills..although he refers this effecting very young children..

BUT I also suspect similarly that the modern Computers and Smart phones are just as likely to be responsible....as it may make them lazy to think in the same way that they had to in the past before such devices were available...

They said this about the use of calculators before PCs were the norm.

BUT In some ways rather than using mental arithmatic.. they could apply quicker and maybe deal with more complex maths without the hard mental boring side of calculations..so I am not so sure I agree.

ie they may suffer in some parts but gain in others.

likewise TV and Computers offer a LOT in Human learning in later life..

although maybe some forms of mental abilities will suffer long term...
as many may become almost hypnotized in their mental states..
such as no longer being able to think for themselves or do certain types of mental agility or apply logical reasoning etc..

Not that a large % of just average people are taught to think for themselves very well.. and MAYBE they are just NOT very capable no matter how hard they try as frustrating as this may seem..

[ArMaP]

hence the expression...

LET THEM EAT CAKE

...was a POSITIVE suggestion at the time

It was, too bad it was not applicable.

[ArMaP]

Suggestions that Youngsters watching TV is dumbing them down more..

I don't think the problem is watching TV (that's how I learned English), is not doing anything besides that. That way, all that you can learn from it is wasted because it's not tried in real world situations.

[Ellirium113]

Maybe they ought to teach more classes in school that actually have something to do with living in society and common sense. Something involving some form of ethics would be a good thing. When I go to work I notice a lot of grown up men do things typical of teenagers. They won't clean up after themselves and generally don't have much respect for anything that does not belong to them. I don't see this behavior stemming from TV or videogames but rather a failure to learn how to co-exist properly so that your fellow man/woman won't want to choke you. My father used to tell me "Assume everyone is an @$$H0l3 unless they can prove otherwise". I completely understand why he told me this. 

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Good advice Ellirium

Peeps think that because i'm a tech junkie that i have the latest iphone.
They laugh at me when i show them my 4 year old LG.

It works, it does the job, it even has internet.
It does what i need it to do, and i don't have time to learn how a new phone works every 6 months.

I blame the Flouride.
Been off it for 2 years now & i feel great

[Somamech]

Ditto agree much Ell,

I found when I was studying applied math along with requiste math I mathed out and left school.  I can only speak in my own experience, as other people may not have this issue, but I found it boring for hour on end applying forumlas where x = nothing, y = just as much nothinginess and z means something from nothing. 

Real World applications of general tools that we learn in education are lacking.  In one way though I am envisionagin a socitey or yore where people may have naturally around the skill master's that could teach them, or in a current society of utopia where learning didn't encumber people with a huge debt. 

Wish I had have done a building apprenticship now 20 odd years down the track LOL.   

[robomont]

lab rat speaks,
ive been watching this thread without posting to see how yall think.as a member of the poverty class,i would say no in my specialized situation .lol.i have seen improvements in my iq from just drinking filtered water.also from staying on top of science is best i can.i believe sugar has played a great role also as i use to be a dr.pepper junky.four liters a day sometimes.between the caffiene and sugar.the majority of folks couldnt keep up with me.my teeth paid the price.
my daughter seems to be in the high percentiles and she eats like a bird.but i try to let her do her own thing such as sleep.she is 15 and allowed to sleep whenever she wants.most times she comes home from school and goes right to bed.then around midnoght she will get up for a few hours and then go back to bed.rather than a rigid schedule.this allows the brain to process better.ive also noticed that staying in the cool enviroment makes the brain process better.as i worked alot outside and when it gets hot my brain just shutsdown.
stress probably is a factor because i cant relax when the end of the world is around every corner.we are too busy processing survival and dont have time for rocket science.tv is just programing.trash in trash out.so spending the extra money for dish i hope is improving the quality of trash i get.another thing is exposure to new tech.when the economy was blasting away i was being exposed to new tech everyday.how i would love to spend a month working beside pwm.now that economy is at a standstill.my exposure is limited to the bottleneck called the droid.thats why i believe the best advancement of the collective iq of humans comes from full blown economic boom.the most food .exposure to new ideas .new comforts and peace of mind knowing all the bills get paid.oh and i love a good hot shower to meditate.

[Somamech]

Interesting Robo!

I lived in a backpackers for a few years, that also doubled as a halfway house for youth that didn't fit in for whatever reason.  There is no doubt their health lacked, but what was more odd is that some of them were great at biz... Heck one guy was sustaining himself on Ebay with 4.95 shipping on 99c items LOL

If that was a big corporation it would be lauded as brilliance.  In his case I wonder where he is now.   

EDIT TYPO

[Elvis Hendrix]

"my daughter seems to be in the high percentiles and she eats like a bird.but i try to let her do her own thing such as sleep.she is 15 and allowed to sleep whenever she wants.most times she comes home from school and goes right to bed.then around midnoght she will get up for a few hours and then go back to bed.rather than a rigid schedule.this allows the brain to process better."

Cool Robo,
I remember reading something years ago that said as kids grow into adolescence they actually require huge amounts of sleep. It's not that they are lazy ( like we always thought ).

I have absolutely no prob at all with kids and TV/technology.
With TV they get language, social etiquette and protocol,ideas and
Culture awareness. The good AND the bad.

And tech,
I went in to my 12 year old sons room the other night. He was playing COD online on his PS while skyping the lad he was playing with on his ipad streaming his tunes on his phone.
And I bloody love it.. Kids have the world at their fingertips today.
It's Scary as hell really, but its here and it ain't goin away.

[Somamech]

Yeah thats the cool thing EH

I grew up with an Atari, then a Commodore Vic 20, which followed with a C64.  FUN times clocking game's!  I may be different in only aspect though as I grew on a 1000 acres.  All time was divided up between my grandparents who lived next door and baking with my gran, more games in the forms of cards or board games and then shredding dirt on two wheels along with building jumps with a shovel and a wheelbarrow !

I am poor now in comparrision to the other people in regards to the barometer people talk about "Real Estate" , but heck I can get sugar cheap... and the brain run's on sugar 

" SO the system not so much wrong, people are wrong "   

 

[Elvis Hendrix]

Som, every kid needs a thousand acres to grow up on.
Wouldn't that be nice.

[ArMaP]

ive also noticed that staying in the cool enviroment makes the brain process better.as i worked alot outside and when it gets hot my brain just shutsdown.

Hot air has less oxygen, that's why I feel better in those cold, dry winter days and bad in the hot days like today and tomorrow, with 36º C expected.

[ArMaP]

Another thing the brain needs (a lot) is exercise, so a brain that is mostly used to think "how can I feed my kids?" is not working as it should be, so, like most things in our bodies, it starts to shift the energy (20% to 25% of all the energy we use goes to the brain) to other things.

[astr0144]

Some interesting comments !

With ref to some exams...something else that Alex Jones / Paul J Watson commented on was that they claim that those in education will make Secondary School and College leavers in the UK ( at age about 16 to 18 yrs) level exams deliberately harder some years.. and easier other years..

So the Teenagers do not really know where they stand sometimes....

Some years the % rate of passes is very high, but often employers are finding in these instances that if they employ them that they do not meet their requirements...

Then other years...The Youths may feel disappointed believing that they may not had done too well not realizing that their exams were made to aid them to fail. In some cases they do not get the jobs that they deserve.

If I can find the video where they describe this I will post it...

Today I just heard that if school leavers do NOT make the required grade for a pass in their GCSEs at a grade "C" minimum (similar to the old "O levels" that lasted for years until they changed things) at age of 16 yrs old.. that they will now be FORCED to stay on another TWO years UNTIL they pass....

As unemployment is so high for school leavers...its hard to find jobs for them...

But is this right to force them to stay on in education..

I do NOT believe that  everyone can pass a GCSE in Maths & English at "Grade C"

Is this another scam that the government in enforcing or is it to youngsters advantage ?

For some Yes !, others I am not so sure ....

[ArMaP]

Many years ago, when my elder sister was finishing her art course, a professor told her and some other students that they had received orders from the ministry of education to let less people pass, as they weren't going to get as much from high school as they needed to keep the money flowing.