Naked Venus Controversy: How would Venus look to the naked eye?

[Pimander]

This isn't strictly speaking an anomaly so I may have to move the topic.  Nevertheless, the colour of Venus has caused a bit of controversy in the past.  Here are some examples of where the issue has been raised.

Will the Real Planet Venus Please Stand Up!

Since when is VENUS red?

I just thought I would share a few images of Venus that will give you a better idea what Venus might actually look like if you looked out of a spacecraft window at it.

First of all this is not what Venus would look like to the naked eye.  The picture below is a false color image.




If colors are estimated correctly, there is a final issue of tone mapping. How bright does the image appear to the eye in a given context. The image above is the best color image of Venus I've found, showing the planet as it would likely appear to a human observer in space. It was made by Turkish astronomer A. Tayfun Oner, using the two color channels from the Galileo camera, and a third interpolated channel.
SOURCE OF ABOVE IMAGE AND TEXT: http://mentallandscape.com/V_DigitalImages.htm



Here is Venus in natural (RGB) light. Unlike many beautiful amateur images that combine IR and UV light to create a false color image, I wanted to create a true color image of this beautiful but difficult planet to image.

Shown are an IR-R-G-B composite where IR is used as a luminance and the RGB channels provide the color and saturation, and the true color RGB composite. Each image combines about 2500 of 10000 frames per channel through the individual filters.

The images were taken on the evening of May 22, 2010 shortly before sunset, while Venus was still at a reasonable altitude (around 40-50 degrees) and in very good seeing.
SOURCE OF ABOVE IMAGE AND TEXT: http://www.celestronimages.com/details.php?image_id=8306

So there you have it.  If these images are anything to go by, Venus would look... Well, cloudy and grey.  Like most of the year where I live in England.  Those Venusians must get sick of the clouds too. 

[zorgon]

  John Lear

NASA describes Venus (based on their spacecraft's findings and the findings of Russian spacecraft) as:

At first glance, if Earth had a twin, it would be Venus. The two planets are similar in size, mass, composition, and distance from the Sun. But there the similarities end. Venus has no ocean. Venus is covered by thick, rapidly spinning clouds that trap surface heat, creating a scorched greenhouse-like world with temperatures hot enough to melt lead and pressure so intense that standing on Venus would feel like the pressure felt 900 meters deep in Earth's oceans. These clouds reflect sunlight in addition to trapping heat. Because Venus reflects so much sunlight, it is usually the brightest planet in the sky.

Sulfur compounds, possibly attributable to volcanic activity, are abundant in Venus' clouds. The corrosive chemistry and dense, moving atmosphere cause significant surface weathering and erosion. Radar images of the surface show wind streaks and sand dunes.

More than 1,000 volcanoes or volcanic centers larger than 20 kilometers (12 miles) in diameter dot the surface of Venus. Volcanic flows have produced long, sinuous channels extending for hundreds of kilometers.

John Lear, however, begs to differ with NASA. Based on information John has accumulated, including data from George Adamski who was afforded a 'bird's eye view' of Venus and several remote viewer friends of John's he believes Venus is more like this:

(The following are quotes from "Inside The Flying Saucers" by George Adamski):

A beautiful planet similar to earth with seven oceans, all connected by waterways both natural and artificial. Magnificent mountains, some white-topped with snow, some barren and rocky, very similar to earth.

There are many Venusian cities, some large, some small following a circular or oval pattern. The structures are beautiful, with no monotonous lines. Many had domes radiating in prismatic colors. At night the colors cease and the domes become luminous with a soft, yellowish light. There is much uninhabited territory.

People on Venus are very similar to those on earth.

Cars and buses used for transportation vary in size as do those on earth. The only difference is that they appear to 'glide' along the surface using an energy system much different from ours.

The beaches on the lakes have sand that is very white and fine like on the finest beaches on earth.

The tropical sections of Venus have vegetation similar to earth but are much lusher because of an atmosphere than is much more moist than earth. The people on Venus rarely see the stars as we do on earth because of the constant cloud cover.

The following is based on information from friends of John's who are remote viewers:

Venus has a constant cloud cover which is a pale yellow color and the reflection makes the oceans and the lakes yellow in color.

Now, based on NASA's record of reporting, what sounds more plausible? The Venus described by NASA or the Venus described by John Lear (using George Adamski's quotes, and descriptions from John's remote viewer friends)?

[zorgon]

NASA has stated that they use the "LAVA ORANGE" color to paint Venus beased on one single photo taken by a Russian Lander... that had a little orange yellow tint

This one... taken by Venera 14



Venera 13



Venera 9

[zorgon]

Originally posted by DuncanIdahoGholem at ATS
Very eloquently put. Good post. Now back on topic,
WHY did nasa and the Russians make the same mistakes so many times?
Why not a porcelin or ceramic coated craft?
Why not disposable outer shells like the russian dolls?
Why can TV cameras still transmit if the outer housings are so far gone they all ponit down?
Why are the Venus probe  photos OF THE GROUND so clear when Mars and the Moon that had reasonably good camera angles were SOOOOOO crap at the time? After all the Venusian atmosphere is so thick and dangerous(According to NASA TM)! 

VERY good questions

And this sure looks like a river system to me..

[zorgon]

  John Lear





It is apparent from this newspaper article dated December 1, 1959 that Navy balloonist Malcom Ross, meteorologist Charles B. Moore and Dr. John Strong of Johns Hopkins University had not gotten the word from TPTB that Venus was full of exploding volcanoes enveloped in an atmosphere of sulphuric acid pushing down with a pressure equal to 900 meters deep in the ocean.

Why the very idea of water vapor on Venus is ridiculous. They must have meant sulphuric acid water vapor? I mean how would they know anyhow from a balloon on earth about a planet many millions of miles away?

And for Strong not to rule out the possibility of life on this deadly planet? I'll betcha he's doing time. Talk about denying ignorance?

Added by Zorgon...

The Evolution of Water Vapor in the Atmosphere of Venus

[zorgon]

  John Lear


Yes Virginia, there is no snow on Venus. That's a coating of frost of rare silvery-white nonmetallic element tellurium which freezes out at exactly the right temperature corresponding to the altitude on Venus where the edges of this bright material are seen.  This is what Gordon Pettengill of MIT suggests. Now I know that NASA says it is hot enough to melt lead on Venus.  No, I am not kidding you.






Huh? 

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c at ATS
Tellurium Frost

I wouldn't suggest a skiing trip to the Venutian Alps, though.  Not to mention the "tellurium breath" you would be subjecting others to.



Humans exposed to as little as 0.01 mg m-3 in air, or less, develop "tellurium breath", which has a garlic-like odour.

[zorgon]

I just thought I would share a few images of Venus that will give you a better idea what Venus might actually look like if you looked out of a spacecraft window at it.

Well here is an image from NASA taken by Magellan spacecraft...



So according to NASA the sky on Venus is black, "black as patent leather shoes", just like on the moon and the ground is Lava Orange   Problem is, Magellan uses RADAR imaging so there is no color images

Read the high lighted part...

"The display AUTOMATICALLY shows the surface features in the yellow and orange tones that have become standard for images of Venus"  Seriously? Standard? Like the Martian Red? 

[zorgon]

Pegasus Press Release

THIS JUST IN.....

From NASA/JPL  Radar images of Venus taken by Magellan spacecraft

Target Name:     Venus
Spacecraft:     Magellan
Produced by:     NASA/USGS
Copyright:    Public Domain
Cross Reference:     PIA00157





High Resolution .tiff  40 megs

Here is a follow up to my image of Venus... Look at all the place names on this one...

Notice: 26 megs
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA03167.jpg

High Res .tiff  225 megs
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/tiff/PIA03167.tif

[hobbit]

Men are from Mars.
Women are from Venus.
Why not?
hobbit

[zorgon]

Men are from Mars.
Women are from Venus.

Actually according to NASA since Venus is all lava fire and brimstone. I would say IT is the Planet of War and since mars has heart shaped craters all over the place IT has to be the planet of love 

Here is yet another view of Venus form NASA APOD

[zorgon]

ESA shows us THIS Venus...



Venus' southern hemisphere, as seen in the ultraviolet. CREDIT: ESA

And yet another NASA version...


Ultraviolet image of Venus' clouds as seen by HST's Wide-Field/Planetary Camera 2.


False color image of Venus' clouds as seen by the SSI instrument on Galileo.

[zorgon]

Another Venera 13 shot. Notice the color chart tab.

This is actually the one NASA used to Paint Venus  as can be seen below. The Black Sky really bothers me as I am sure they also painted those black skies into the Apollo surface images. They pictures lend support for that at least. No of course they are saying these are computer generated from the Magellan data




Computer generated surface view of a corona, tentatively named Idem-Kuva.


Computer generated surface view of Alpha Regio.


Computer generated surface view of Maat Mons.


Computer generated surface view of Eistla Regio (from the southwest).


Computer generated surface view of Eistla Regio (from the northeast)

NSSDC Photo Gallery - Venus

So according to NASA the surface of Venus is all molten lava 

[zorgon]

Naked Venus

Okay so lets use Magellan and really look at Venus exposed..

No NASA 'LAVA Orange' No cloud cover...

What I want you to notice is the sunlight on the surface of this image If the clouds are so thick and its raining sulphuric acid all the time, why does it look clear and sunny? 



Another bright and Sunny day on Venus... no clouds... look at the shadows... This is really interesting terrain...

As a matter of fact the only cloud in the sky is a contrail... that casts a shadow...

errrr contrail with shadow? 



Here is the full size image

[hobbit]

Actually according to NASA since Venus is all lava fire and brimstone. I would say IT is the Planet of War and since mars has heart shaped craters all over the place IT has to be the planet of love 

Here is yet another view of Venus form NASA APOD

You obviously haven't met my ex wife then?
She would definately fit the fire and brimstone criteria.
She has Her very own gravity defying flying device called a broomstick.
hobbit

[micjer]

Contrails? or Chemtrails?  Lol