The Extraterrestrial Hypothesis: Pure misdirection?

[Pimander]

Well I don't think we know for sure that the ET hypothesis is necessarily the right one mate - there's also plenty of other opinions out there about UFO origin involving extra dimensional folks, crypto-terrestrials, time travellers, Nazis, demons etc..

This is something I am likely to focus on in the near future.  I am increasingly leaning away from the extraterrestrial hypothesis.  I accept that ETs are out there.  I also think - given the astronomical number of possible civilisations out there - they probably have, do and will have visited Earth and also likely monitor Earth's development in the same way humans study anthropology and animal development.  I am beginning to lean away from the ETH in important ways....

In particular, any types of sighting that are more common are in my opinion not likely to be from other star systems or planets.  If there really are saucers, USOs and similar spotted regularly by pilots then there is little reason to assume they are extraterrestrial.  If they are common then they are likely crypto-terrestrial (interdimensional is closely related IMO) with underground, underwater or both the origin.

By hunch is based on a few known facts.

1.  They operate effectively on Earth indicating familiarity with the environs.

2.  They are practically always spotted within the atmosphere and not in space. (excluding plasma critters which I consider possibly identified already)

3.  Humanoid occupants are frequently reported without breathing apparatus which indicates they are adapted to a terrestrial environment.

4.  Mythology suggests we are not alone and have not been alone as the only intelligent biped on Earth.

5.  The cover up at every turn seems to focus on keeping the debate between ET Hypothesis and misidentification and hallucination sometimes requiring hilariously cooked up nonsense to keep UFOlogists and interested parties there.  It makes us look like a bunch of idiots to not move beyond it.


I'd like to do a mega thread on this at some point if time allows but this exploratory thread will be interesting.  The input of members on these ideas would be gratefully accepted.

[rose]

The cover up at every turn seems to focus on keeping the debate between ET Hypothesis and misidentification and hallucination sometimes requiring hilariously cooked up nonsense to keep UFOlogists and interested parties there.  It makes us look like a bunch of idiots to not move beyond it.

I've met some abductees in my time. and concluded that their experiences were very real to them.  But  the human mind is capable of suppressing and replacing memories, so who can say what they really experienced?

I do think that we have no idea of the full range of the Black technology possessed by the US government.  Its extent is well- buried in all the  pony poo.  But, occasionally, I catch a whiff of something else in the mix that seems to point to the possibility of a collaboration with other intelligences, both greater and more powerful than ours.  The "Collins Elite" seem to think these intelligences are real, but are purely demonic in nature.

I'm looking forward to reading your ideas on the subject.
rose

[Amaterasu]

Personally I give high probability to an admixture of ET, Human (now & time trippin') and crypto.  I am yet to experience anything that leads Me to give high probability to extradimensional.  Now, I leave it open to the possibility that I am somehow lacking in the ability to "sense" anything like that...  [shrug]  [smile]

[Pimander]

I definitely agree with you both that a lot of it is "ours".  But there is some I think isn't.  That's what I'm referring to.  I also think there are VERY RARE genuine ET encounters.

Anything common though is from closer to home.  Come on guys, time to smell the coffee.

Rose, you mentioned some of the high strange, "demonic" stuff.  Are you referring to the abduction phenomenon alone?  OR anything a little more related to the origins of Scientology, Thelema etc?  Or something else?   (feel free to go private with your answer, I'll be back on line tomorrow).

Don't forget demonology does not postulate the existence of evil demons only.  There are others....  (Daemon)

[rose]

I mentioned it only because, according to Nick Redfern, the CE are a high level, powerful group of Christian Eschatologists, dedicated to bringing about the final battle between good and evil.   They seem to play in the Kit Green, Ron Pandolfi, CIA circles and are very fearful of 'soul eaters'

Others seem to think that these evil dis-incarnates are being countered by those working for the good. 

The question I haven't yet resolved for myself  is whether or not this scenario is just more of the same coverup process, or is the ultimate secret inside the coverup?

rose

[Amaterasu]

This "daemonology" stuff....  Like I said about extradimensional (which may be synonymous), I have no personal experience supporting this.  I will not say it is because it does not exist, and give some probability that either I am deficient in some way or that I just have never been given a CHANCE to see...

I HAVE had experience of HUMANS doing ugly things purportedly in worship of some classically defined entity (the "devil") - but of the entity, nothing.

[Pimander]

This "daemonology" stuff....  Like I said about extradimensional (which may be synonymous), I have no personal experience supporting this.  I will not say it is because it does not exist, and give some probability that either I am deficient in some way or that I just have never been given a CHANCE to see...

They exist Amy.  I tried putting them into a scientific framework and failed.  That is the road to madness.  It's real though as humans experience it independently without cultural framework to support it.

I mentioned it only because, according to Nick Redfern, the CE are a high level, powerful group of Christian Eschatologists, dedicated to bringing about the final battle between good and evil.   They seem to play in the Kit Green, Ron Pandolfi, CIA circles and are very fearful of 'soul eaters'

George Bush is one of them and they killed Kennedy.  Yes, high level.

Others seem to think that these evil dis-incarnates are being countered by those working for the good. 

The question I haven't yet resolved for myself  is whether or not this scenario is just more of the same coverup process, or is the ultimate secret inside the coverup?

If they were only covering up one secret I might agree.

[The Seeker]

 Interesting, Pimander; I,too, ascribe to a large number of what we see as being of terrestrial origin; yet there are clues that we do indeed have "visitors" at times, and it would not surprise me to see revealed that other races are here among us, hiding in plain sight...

as to what their purpose or motive is...


seeker

[sky otter]

well Pimander.. what you say about pure misdirection i can't agree with
i think it was more accidental  misdirection..sort of a lucky break thing

i've gone back and forth on what i think and right now am at the crossroads
i have heard and seen things.. ours or not ? ..i don't know..from inner places
or dimensions.. not sure..
time slips.. corporal displacement ...yes to those
but i can tell you there is evil out there and given a tiny tiny opening they charge
other than that.. i try to keep to myself and just observe

[rose]

i have heard and seen things.. ours or not ? ..i don't know..from inner places
or dimensions.. not sure..
time slips.. corporal displacement ...yes to those
but i can tell you there is evil out there and given a tiny tiny opening they charge
other than that.. i try to keep to myself and just observe

Slightly off-topic, Sky, but I had a Black-eyed kid encounter a year ago, though I didn't realize it at the time. WhenWeatherby began speaking about his book on the subject it dawned on me that mine was a classic BEK story, right down to the near-instant disappearance of the kid once I closed the door.  I only mention it since I've wondered if I had left some 'tiny opening' out there that brought it forth.

rose
rose

[sky otter]

rose
wow.. ..i don't think you have to leave a door open to be approached
you just have to be aware  when you are approached..imo
good old hindsight  says you must have been aware on some level since you did shut the door..
sometimes we don't give ourselves enough credit..again imo

[Eighthman]

I think that these categories are not mutually exclusive. You could have ET's traveling interdimensionally and supporting deep earth or undersea bases.

I also think there are better questions here - why are they here?  Why don't they intervene openly? What is the basis of their apparent unity, given that they don't openly expose themselves?  It's OK to hypothesize about a Prime Directive but how does that get enforced presently, especially if it wasn't enforced in the ancient past?

[The Matrix Traveller]

I also think there are better questions here - why are they here?  Why don't they intervene openly? What is the basis of their apparent unity, given that they don't openly expose themselves?

Good Questions   

[Eighthman]

Ok, here we go with a Grand Explanation Attempt, drawn out from a simple starting point:  We're not telepathic and They Are.

If Aliens are telepathic, then their unity of purpose follows easily.  It would be difficult to see how it could be otherwise. Likewise, our lack of telepathy or shared consciousness results in hate, division, war - and the persistence of poverty as well as lack of solutions in the energy field.

This could also create a degree of 'arms length' detachment by Aliens - think of a homeless person who looks awful and smells worse.  You avoid him also because he may be crazy or violent.  If Aliens can read our thoughts, they may be repelled similarly.  Yet, they may feel some pity, even as we would in such a situation.

As 'Sleeper' claimed,  it's OK for them to inject thoughts in humans.  I read one channeler assert that Pleiadians inspired the Internet to get humans moving down the shared consciousness road.  It seems to be working - especially looking at the recent 'we're going to war' failure. Perhaps they'll try to splice it into our genes somehow as well.

[Sinny]

I think that these categories are not mutually exclusive. You could have ET's traveling interdimensionally and supporting deep earth or undersea bases.

I also think there are better questions here - why are they here?  Why don't they intervene openly? What is the basis of their apparent unity, given that they don't openly expose themselves?  It's OK to hypothesize about a Prime Directive but how does that get enforced presently, especially if it wasn't enforced in the ancient past?

Gold.