Another pointless, sanctimonious message from Anonymous

[petrus4]

My opinion, for what it is worth, is that the only realistic solution to this predicament is to build a credible, democratic, law abiding (where possible) alternative to the system and people who run it.  I am considering doing this but it would require a massive group effort and potential spokespersons (I include myself here) would be massive targets.

Yep.  Anyone offering themselves as part of an alternative political structure, is automatically volunteering for assassination.  I hate to sound cynical, but that is the reality. 

The government now has a militarised police force with the mentality of Judge Dredd.  As far as the cops are concerned, they say jump, and civilians say how high; and unlike the military, the police also apparently have absolutely no conscience with regards to brutalising civilians whatsoever.  I have never seen even a hint of resistance to the government from the police, other than what Zorgon is quoting here.  Oath Keepers are military.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

While i think the idea of Anon is a good one, 'we are legion, we do not forget' etc etc in practise it's as has been said here, not to be trusted.
Not unless they drop the masks.

We had our own Planetary Revolution Council thread right here, didn't we?

Self government is NOT easy, but it's the best option we have, at least until we invent robot politicians LOL.
Put them all in a room & let them talk until they fall to bits, while we Humans go & play on the beach

Vote for Me, and the Robot Party!


Maybe i need a break, too..

[zorgon]

Yeah, so?  What if the point is NOT WHO is saying what, but the IDEAS?  Why does it matter who the Individual is who is offering them?  In fact, that is precisely why I used the mask in My piece.

I don't want People to say, "Her front tooth is crooked!  She must be disgruntled poor!  Her ideas are therefore worthless!"

That is why you hire a Hollywood Actor to spread your message

Yes it IS important WHO is saying it...  and HOW it is said...

Anonymous is not being taken seriously because they don't have a serious agenda. Attaching your message to a sinking ship won't help your cause.

I once thought anonymous might be something that started something useful... but when they hacked my accounts and posted my personal info on public Anon websites... they made the top of my black list. Even the government spooks don't stoop that low.

There was a point where I considered banning anyone that brought them up.

Seriously I was that pissed....  but I stepped outside for some air

Free Energy Device installed and working fine....    thanks to John Lear....

Real time solution to save money on heating costs

[zorgon]

While i think the idea of Anon is a good one, 'we are legion, we do not forget' etc etc in practise it's as has been said here, not to be trusted.
Not unless they drop the masks.

The problem with Anon is that they have no organized message... they admit as much, in fact they say that is the whole point.

But you cannot fix a problem by random chaos,  all you do is confuse the issue and make it worse. How can someone support your message or idea, if there is no clear message?

Million man March didn't happen because they were not all on the same page  but the bikers that drove to Washington... they showed it can be done..

Million Bikers Ride....  Bikers outnumber Cops 10 to 1



'Truckers Ride For The Constitution' Plans Beltway Demonstration To Protest Government Shutdown

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/08/truckers-ride-for-the-constitution_n_4061118.html

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

LOL

We had a 'free energy device' in London years ago, it was built into the wall of the house

We used to throw all the bills & junk mail into it 

Right Z, i read you

All those truckers need to do is block all roads to DC & the Pentagon

That will cause more problems than all those hackers..but at least it will keep your gubmint bottled up in one place, where they can do no more harm

If Anon wanted to do something useful, they should cut all the phone & internet lines there at the same time, LOL but most of them are bored teenagers, they don't give a damn about us old folks

[Pimander]

Yeah, so?  What if the point is NOT WHO is saying what, but the IDEAS?  Why does it matter who the Individual is who is offering them?  In fact, that is precisely why I used the mask in My piece.

I don't mean people should never put thoughts out there without being public figureheads - I do it on here every day. 

What I mean is that ultimately a movement that will sort out this mess needs to be open, public, democratic, try to use whatever means it has to (preferable legal but there are exceptions) and be CREDIBLE.  It is not CREDIBLE to have an idea but nobody know who the movement are.  Visibility is absolutely essential to be credible and get popular support.


I also agree with Zorgon that a movement has to be organised.  You can't just say something then hide.  To make changes you have to have power. 

The other way to make changes is to be in a position to take power if those in power do not give you what you want.  Funnily enough, at that point they always give in.  FACT.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

The other way to make changes is to be in a position to take power if those in power do not give you what you want.  Funnily enough, at that point they always give in.  FACT.

Exactly.
You are all just tiny cogs in the machine, but if just a few cogs come loose, the machine stops, yes?

[Elvis Hendrix]

LOL

We had a 'free energy device' in London years ago, it was built into the wall of the house
"
We used to throw all the bills & junk mail into it 

Right Z, i read you

All those truckers need to do is block all roads to DC & the Pentagon

That will cause more problems than all those hackers..but at least it will keep your gubmint bottled up in one place, where they can do no more harm "


It's getting the truckers and the hackers to do things at the same time.
Then you'd be cookin..

[Amaterasu]

While i think the idea of Anon is a good one, 'we are legion, we do not forget' etc etc in practise it's as has been said here, not to be trusted.
Not unless they drop the masks.

We had our own Planetary Revolution Council thread right here, didn't we?

Self government is NOT easy, but it's the best option we have, at least until we invent robot politicians LOL.
Put them all in a room & let them talk until they fall to bits, while we Humans go & play on the beach

Vote for Me, and the Robot Party!


Maybe i need a break, too..

If any here have really examined My work, it can be seen that I remove "politics" from the process, focusing on problem-solving and not politicking.  No need for robot politicians when there is no need for ANY politicians.

[Amaterasu]

I once thought anonymous might be something that started something useful... but when they hacked my accounts and posted my personal info on public Anon websites... they made the top of my black list. Even the government spooks don't stoop that low.

First, just because They call Themselves "Anonymous" does NOT mean They represent the wider goals and precepts, nor that They are anywhere near a majority.  In fact, it could have been a single chickensh1t hiding behind the Anon name.

Second, the overall sentiments of anti-system are not "sinking." 

[Amaterasu]

I don't mean people should never put thoughts out there without being public figureheads - I do it on here every day. 

What I mean is that ultimately a movement that will sort out this mess needs to be open, public, democratic, try to use whatever means it has to (preferable legal but there are exceptions) and be CREDIBLE.  It is not CREDIBLE to have an idea but nobody know who the movement are.  Visibility is absolutely essential to be credible and get popular support.


I also agree with Zorgon that a movement has to be organised.  You can't just say something then hide.  To make changes you have to have power. 

The other way to make changes is to be in a position to take power if those in power do not give you what you want.  Funnily enough, at that point they always give in.  FACT.

For the purposes of spreading the basics, the Anon position seemed best to least distract from the message.  Meanwhile, I have a fair following on Twitter, and They know I made the piece.  When asked to come forth, I surely will.

And I give Them the links to the details here.

[Sinny]

That is why you hire a Hollywood Actor to spread your message

Yes it IS important WHO is saying it...  and HOW it is said...

Nope. There's nothing more catalytic than an idea.

I suppose personal empowerment, for me, is the difference between whether the person, or the idea, are more influential.

[zorgon]

Nope. There's nothing more catalytic than an idea.

Then why does Jesse Venture get all the air time for stuff we have been trying to say for years?

Why did no one listen when we told them the NSA was spying on everyone until Snowden pops up and suddenly everyone listens?

[1Worldwatcher]

Then why does Jesse Venture get all the air time for stuff we have been trying to say for years?

Why did no one listen when we told them the NSA was spying on everyone until Snowden pops up and suddenly everyone listens?

Talk about a perfect argument about "Intellectual Copyrighting Infringements" LOL But, none the less, it is true, money begot's money, cut and dry. And deep pockets didn't have emotion or any real emotional connection to the world that offer's them such 'Intellectual' and out of the box ideas as finding them being researched, pruned and investigated for you to pick up on the topic later and make a series out of it!!


1WW

[Sinny]

Then why does Jesse Venture get all the air time for stuff we have been trying to say for years?

Why did no one listen when we told them the NSA was spying on everyone until Snowden pops up and suddenly everyone listens?

The people that cared did listen - what? You expect the TV oligarchs to be helping us with this? lol