Dutchsince and the OPPT

[Amaterasu]

Interesting what Dutch mentions happened to Him and another "truther" sort:

[robomont]

i watched the vid and it sounds like he is being asked to muddy the waters.maybe the linda howes arent doing a good enough job so the need to bring in more.
sometimes the pile of bs feels unbearable.especially here lately.
eyes on the prize though.

[Amaterasu]

The connection between Thelema and the OPPT is new to Me, but I had already decided that the OPPT just makes fewer People "in charge" of the rest of Us.  *I* do not consent to ANYONE "representing" Me.  *I* speak for M'self.

[zorgon]

So Dutchinse supports corpoarte greed "rightfully earned" and thinks "we the people" are useless eaters that don't deserve it

Mentioning that Aleister Crowley also believed is silly and deliberate misdirection. Aleister Crowley was the black sheep... using the Dark Side of the Force as it were.  That doesn't mean the Force itself is evil

Those Masons, dressing up as Indians to toss the tea into the water...  those people gave you America... a place where you can say what you want, even if it is BS

The White Dragon Society.... yes interesting.... where do I sign up?

[zorgon]

The connection between Thelema and the OPPT is new to Me, but I had already decided that the OPPT just makes fewer People "in charge" of the rest of Us.

Well *WE* have pointed out that connection (sorta )  many times Though I do confess a lot of those papers are in the Mystic Star section

*I* do not consent to ANYONE "representing" Me.  *I* speak for M'self.

Well then so mote it be

But I do not understand why you take that stance... considering;

White Dragon Society.

The White Dragon Society proposes using humanity's savings to end war, end poverty and stop environmental destruction. After that, humanity can be set on a path of exponential expansion into the universe. Our savings and our future planning can be devoted to such attainable goals as increased longevity, improved human abilities, free energy, the creation of new eco-systems, the expansion of life in all its forms and anything else scientifically possible and morally permissible that we can dream of.

Seems to me... that is pretty close to what YOU have been saying all along




So they want to give UN diplomatic immunity and free cash?  THAT is new to me... first time I heard that. I will check into that this week.

Sounds good to me

[Amaterasu]

On that White Dragon thing...  What does "savings" mean?

Surely sounds like a retention of a money system and its issues (promoting psychopaths, emergent greed, poverty, oppression, wage/debt & outright slavery, and profiteering)...

[zorgon]

I see he also mentions the Red Dragon


What is the etymology of Rosenkreuze?(Rosicrucian) The second derivation proposed is from the Latin words Ros, dew, and Crux, cross. This has been countenanced by Mosheim, who is followed by Ree's Encyclopædia; and other publications. The argument in its favour may be fairly represented by the following quotation:--"Of all natural bodies, dew was deemed the most powerful dissolvent of gold; and the cross, in chemical language, was equivalent to light; because the figure of a cross exhibits at the same time the three letters of which the word lux, or light, is compounded. Now, lux is called . . . the seed or menstruum of the red dragon, or, in other words, that gross and corporeal light, which, when properly digested and modified, produces gold.

Hence it follows, if this etymology be admitted, that a Rosycrucian philosopher is one who by the intervention and assistance of the dew, seeks for light, or, in other words, the substance called the Philosopher's Stone."




The Green Dragon Tavern

The Green Dragon Tavern has a long and rich history, playing an important part in the freedom of Boston during the War of Independence. Established in 1654 The Green Dragon was a favorite haunt of Paul Revere (Whom we consider a close Neighbor) and John Hancock (who's brother lived next door!). Indeed, as has been ratified by Daniel Webster – the famous historian, that it was in the Green Dragon that the plans for the invasion of Lexington and Concorde were overheard thus starting the famous ride of Paul Revere.




Green Dragon Inn

A popular inn of Bywater, the Green Dragon Inn was frequented by Hobbits from both Bywater itself and the neighboring settlement of Hobbiton. The Hobbit Frodo Baggins regularly visited the inn as did his friends Sam Gamgee, Meriadoc Brandybuck and Peregrin Took. Throughout the movie and the book, the inn is referenced to as a "great" place. One such example in when Merry and Pippin refer to the Inn in The Return of the King (film) when they are singing on a table at Edoras. Specifically, they sing "The Green Dragon (song)"

L.O.R.D Legend of the Red Dragon
The Dark Cloak Tavern



The beginnings of the Isle and the History of Lord Zorgon began in a distant Realm, the Realm of the Red Dragon. It is here that the mighty Dragon met Zorgon and his Household.

Almost daily warriors and would be Dragon slayers came to test their metal against Drathmar. Basically a peaceful creature, he wanted little more than to be left alone in his cave in the mountains of Wales. But this was not to be. The local villagers had sent word throughout the land that they wanted a "dangerous beast killed, namely one red dragon that was the scourge of the country side". This was, of course, false. Drathmar never bothered the villagers.

Soon warrior of all types came to the village, seeking fame. The villagers did fairly well for themselves with all this commerce, which was actually the real reason they started the rumours. They were pretty confident that no one would actually be able to kill Drathmar, so expected to live well for many years. But not one villager stopped to consider, nor care really, about how all this effected the dragon.

One day Baron Zorgon and a small band of his men rode into the Dark Cloak Tavern, a well known Inn on the main road that led to Castle Shalott. While taking ale, he and his men overheard a cocky fellow boast about how he would soon be a hero, after he had dispatched this Dragon. Chancellor Alderon Dragonsbane went to chat with the fellow, and on his return to the table passed on the news.

It was decided that all would ride out to investigate this story. So they rode with the braggart through the forest to this village. Talking with one of the elders, Barak, they confirmed the whereabouts of the Dragon's cave and rode off.

On the way to the cave, they came across a small hut halfway up the mountain. An old man came out to greet them, saying "Seek ye to slay the mighty Drathmar? Many have tried. I have seen many ride past here up the mountain." He snickered, then added, "But I have yet to see one return."

Zorgon's party dismounted and stayed awhile to talk with the old man. "Ye are the first to have bothered to ask about the real state of affairs here. Come, join me for a spell, and I shall tell thee." Here, while sharing an Herbal beverage with the old man, they learned the truth about the Dragon. And to their surprise, found that the Dragon could talk! All had heard rumours to this end about Dragon's, but never having run into one before, had no test of the matter. The old man told them they needed but to call out to the beast, and let him know they meant him no harm.

So the band rode on till they came to the cave. The area around the cave was strewn with the remnants of those that had come before, bones, leather and weapons lay everywhere. Chancellor Alderon called out to the Dragon. They heard a rumbling deep in the cave, and a few moments later Drathmar appeared. Heeding the words of the old man, the party had no weapons drawn when they faced the Dragon, though every man there felt ill-at-ease being weaponless in front of such a huge creature.

As it turned out, the advice of the old man was worth its weight in gold, for Drathmar did not attack. In a deep powerful, but clear voice he, to the surprise of all present, chuckled and said, "What is this? You seek to slay me and yet have no steel? You are either very brave, or very foolish!"

At this point a beautiful maiden came running from the cave. She pleaded with the group not to slay Drathmar, that he was a kind hearted soul. She pointed at the remains, saying, "These were all fools who would not listen to reason. He had no choice but to defend himself. I beg you milords, spare his life for there are many of you!"

Zorgon looked at his men than spoke, "Your pleas are unnecessary, fair maiden. Nay Dragon, we have not come to slay thee, for the wise old man in the cottage this day hath told us the truth of things." So the group of men stayed awhile and talked with Drathmar, who was glad of the company after so many years of fighting off would be slayers.

The maiden's name was Violet, daughter of Barak, the village elder. The influx of "warriors" to the area had played havoc with her reputation, all unfounded, and most likely spread by frustrated would be suitors in the Tavern where she worked. So she spent much of her free time talking with Drathmar. They all chatted well into the night, Drathmar lighting them a fire.

By morning a deal had been struck. There were caves in the mountains near Castle Shalott that were secluded and unused. Lord Zorgon offered the Dragon a home on his Family lands free from persecution. It was thus that the mighty Drathmar became Guardian of the House of Shalott.

As to those villagers? Well they got what they deserved. Heading for home, the party bid the old man farewell, and told him of what had transpired. "He laughed for a while, but then became sad, "I shall miss that old rogue." Bidding him farewell, they rode down the mountain. Captain Carlos du Toirac spurred the group through the village at a frantic pace, yelling, "Run for your lives! The Dragon cometh!" The villagers all ran into the woods to hide. When all had fled to safety, Captain Carlos shot a burning arrow into the sky. Drathmar swooped down and burned the village down in payment for all those years of suffering they had caused him. He then flew off towards the Isle, having been given a scroll of safe passage should any on the Isle accost him before the party returned. But Drathmar assured them that it would not be necessary, as he was quite good at keeping out of sight.

Violet, having no further place of employ, and wishing to see more of the world, bid her father farewell and accompanied the party back to Shalott. Her father's house, as well as those others not directly in the village proper, had of course been spared the flames.

And thus came Drathmar into the Employ of the House of Shalott, and when the House moved to the Isle of Standauffish, Drathmar came as well, a loyal friend to those on the Isle

Drathmar, the Red Dragon of Shalott






Welcome to the Lair of the Red Dragon

[zorgon]

On that White Dragon thing...  What does "savings" mean?

For Millenia certain secret orders have been the Guardians of Humanities 'treasures'. Not in the form of gold, though I imagine that there are hoards of certain 'metals'   but of Knowledge. Release of this knowledge had ALWAYS been a dilemma because invariably once released it falls into the hands of those using it for evil.

It seems that humanity is it's own worst enemy... because it is always those that seek personal gain that take the EFFORT to use the knowledge, while those that are nice tend to be lazy. This has been true throughout history.

That the MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH is bullshit, stated by religious control freaks to keep the meek from the truth.  If the meek want to fix things, the meek need to pick up the pitchforks  OR 'hire' someone who will fight for them  (that is where HERO's come from )

[zorgon]

Surely sounds like a retention of a money system and its issues (promoting psychopaths, emergent greed, poverty, oppression, wage/debt & outright slavery, and profiteering)...

THAT is because your stuck on a bias and quite frankly, much as we love ya it's getting OLD

Distributing the wealth to all equally is something that CAN be done in the NOW to get to the point of not needing it in the future. You are so stuck in your hatred of 'money' that you cannot see the tree offered for the forest.

You cannot just abolish a system overnight. If everyone shares that wealth equally, then there are no more banksters  If everyone has free money, then there is no more slavery or oppression based on wealth.

You will still have oppression based on religion and ideology but not on money.

Take your blinders off for a minute and see this as a PRACTICAL path to your own goal. That was the one thing always lacking in TAP... no idea how to get from here to their in a logical doable progression

In 2000 the Rosicrucians decided it was time to step out of the shadows and take a more active role in fixing the planet.  If you look around through the haze of smoke the Cabal is sending up, you will see the signs that the pendulum is swinging

I for one have confidence that things will work out. To believe we are all doomed and do NOTHING but whine about it on the internet is silly at best, downright stupid at worst.

Thanks for posting this video   It provided me with a path I was looking for these past months

[zorgon]

Zorgon now waits for Gigas to pop in and say something about system lords

[Pimander]

SOrry Amy, off topic but...

We have a couple of Dragons in Nottingham.

[Amaterasu]

THAT is because your stuck on a bias and quite frankly, much as we love ya it's getting OLD

I can leave...

Distributing the wealth to all equally is something that CAN be done in the NOW to get to the point of not needing it in the future. You are so stuck in your hatred of 'money' that you cannot see the tree offered for the forest.

Um...  What "tree?"  Divvying up the planet's wealth is just a reset.  In the end, the psychopaths will again have control, there will be poverty, oppression, greed, wage/debt and/or outright slavery, and profiteering.  Unless all systems of money are eliminated, that will be what emerges. 

Now, as You suggest in the previous post, it is NOT wealth but knowledge - and Humanity is judged on the behaviors of the psychopaths that take control in all money systems and then blame "Humanity" for Their poor behavior choices - what does THAT do to free Us from the psychopaths?

You cannot just abolish a system overnight. If everyone shares that wealth equally, then there are no more banksters  If everyone has free money, then there is no more slavery or oppression based on wealth.

If We ALL had "free money," what will that do to the value of that money?  Will We have to have wheelbarrows for cash?  Or transact a million unit check for a carton of milk?  Why would We give value to it at all?

You will still have oppression based on religion and ideology but not on money.

True, although most of that oppression is made possible by the money received from vested interests.

Take your blinders off for a minute and see this as a PRACTICAL path to your own goal. That was the one thing always lacking in TAP... no idea how to get from here to their in a logical doable progression

[sigh]  AGAIN:

1.  Spread awareness to the tipping point that free energy=no need for money

2.  Allow either toadies who see that They will live as richly - or more so - to release free energy tech, or private inventors to have breakthroughs as more and more work on it.

3.  Spend taxes to replace or retrofit with free energy, using BEST design, not planned obsolescence, in business, industry, agriculture, transportation and homes.

4.  Spend taxes to replace workers who don't WANT to do the job They have with either Those who would LOVE it or robots.

5.  Put together a central site for reporting and solving problems as described here:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2103.0

6.  Spend taxes supporting Those who need it from losing jobs in the transition

7.  Promote the Betterment Ethic (and who of caring heart would eschew the Betterment Ethic?)

8.  Teach Our children to find Their gifts and develop Them.

What's missing?

As for this "practical" plan...  How is all this wealth to be (re)distributed to ALL of Us?  What's taking so long? 

In 2000 the Rosicrucians decided it was time to step out of the shadows and take a more active role in fixing the planet.  If you look around through the haze of smoke the Cabal is sending up, you will see the signs that the pendulum is swinging

I for one have confidence that things will work out. To believe we are all doomed and do NOTHING but whine about it on the internet is silly at best, downright stupid at worst.

Thanks for posting this video   It provided me with a path I was looking for these past months

Yes, I agree awareness of Personal power, will to correct things, and so on is on the rise.  I believe We can fix things, too.  (And I'm hardly "whining;" I offer the problems as I see them, and the solutions I support.  Mostly the latter.)

[Amaterasu]

SOrry Amy, off topic but...

NP Pim.  I don't get all hairy about OT in My threads. [smile]

[robomont]

i see no problem paying out money to non workers.but first there needs to be a real cost of living increase.then the value of the dollar needs to be slowly increased.this should be done in non war ways.like .STOP PRINTING MONEY! and NO BORROWING!

only spend whats in the bank.
tax-make a curve tax.published for all to see.that way there is no doubt every year what taxes are.since corporations are humans.they should pay based on this curve.no deductions or write offs.

this would stabilize the economy.imho.

[sky otter]

finally have a bit of free time to read up  and that un thing sounded like something i had heard before

what do ya think?...copied ?..check out the date
..maybe someone should help old dutch out with the info of a morph


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/24/where-theres-a-need-for-immunity-theres-a-crime-green-climate-fund-looking-to-un-for-diplomatic-immunity-protection-from-lawsuits/

Watts Up With That?

? Friday Funny – a glass half hot or half cold?Eco-rout down under: 'A mini-van will have more seats than the Labour party in the new parliament.' ?Where there's a need for immunity, there's a crime – Green climate fund looking to UN for diplomatic immunity protection from lawsuits.
Posted on March 24, 2012 by Anthony Watts
It seems to me, that if you are asking for immunity up-front, you already know that something has been done that without immunity, would land somebody in the slammer. From Fox News:

Mammoth new green climate fund wants United Nations-style diplomatic immunity, even though it's not part of the UN

"EXCLUSIVE: The Green Climate Fund, which is supposed to help mobilize as much as $100 billion a year to lower global greenhouse gases, is seeking a broad blanket of U.N.-style immunity that would shield its operations from any kind of legal process, including civil and criminal prosecution, in the countries where it operates. There's just one problem: it is not part of the United Nations."


Whether the fund, which was formally created at a U.N. climate conference in Durban, South Africa last December, will get all the money it wants to spend is open to question in an era of economic slowdown and fiscal austerity. Its spending goal comes atop some $30 billion in "fast start-up" money that has been pledged by U.N. member states to such climate change activities.

A 24-nation interim board of trustees for the Green Climate Fund (GCF) is slated to hold its first meeting next month in Switzerland to organize the fund's secretariat and to get it running by November, as well as find a permanent home for the GCF's operations. The board expects to spend about $6.7 million between now and June of next year.

But before it is fully operational, the GCF's creators—194 countries that belong to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), and who are also U.N. members—want it to be immune from legal challenges and lawsuits, not to mention outside inspections, much like the United Nations itself cannot be affected by decisions rendered by a sovereign nation's government or judicial system.

Despite its name, the UNFCCC was informed in 2006 by the United Nations Office of Legal Affairs that it was not considered a U.N. "organ," and therefore could not claim immunity for its subordinate bodies or personnel under the General Convention that has authorized U.N. immunity since the end of World War II.

More here:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/03/22/mammoth-new-green-climate-fund-wants-un-style-diplomatic-immunity-even-though/