The Plan

[burntheships]

Second, all "trash" can be sorted and no One has to "recycle" - at least initially.  I do foresee replicators and "anti-replicators" where the particles are disbursed back into the probabilistic soup of the aether.

What if people just throw stuff into the rivers, and lakes?
Like they do now?

[The Matrix Traveller]

That would still represent a vast increase in industrial waste.

What if one wants several computers, yet does nothing to
recycle the waste? Who would oversee this regulation?

Excellent Point, which poses a serious problem. I know from experience.

You have Brought up a very, very Serious problem, which comes from the Consumer Based Society.

When manufacturing; "Redundancy" is designed into product on purpose... Forcing Sales !

An ugly situation when considering others.

[Amaterasu]

That would still represent a vast increase in industrial waste.

What if one wants several computers, yet does nothing to
recycle the waste? Who would oversee this regulation?

Only if We use poor methodologies.  If You want several computers have them.  There is no "regulation" in TAP but the three Laws, and whatever communities agree to live by.

What waste would You have, having two computers?  Presuming they are made the BEST way (no pollution in the process, no planned ob)...

I mean, if one dies, You have a choice:  keep it around or throw it out, right?  You can clutter Your world all You want with dead computers, but if You throw it out, it will be sorted and recycled. 

[burntheships]

When manufacturing; "Redundancy" is designed into product on purpose... Forcing Sales !

Yes, most of us are so acutely aware of those few parts
that are engineered to "fail".   

I suppose a Utopia would give us all computers and robots
that will not break down, or need replacing?

Not sure that is possible, and still only so much
can be done to control those who just feel the
urge to "toss it" out, while on a drive, or by the river,
or the lake, or the seas...

[Amaterasu]

What if people just throw stuff into the rivers, and lakes?
Like they do now?

I imagine They will acquire negative social currency, but regardless, I also imagine We can have retrieval robots.  Maybe?

[Amaterasu]

Yes, most of us are so acutely aware of those few parts
that are engineered to "fail".   

I suppose a Utopia would give us all computers and robots
that will not break down, or need replacing?

Not sure that is possible, and still only so much
can be done to control those who just feel the
urge to "toss it" out, while on a drive, or by the river,
or the lake, or the seas...

Really wish People would stop calling it a utopia.  It is not.  Just a hell of a lot better than NOW.

Yes, without profit as motive, planned ob will go the way of the dinosaur, and designers with the BEST solutions will win out, and win social currency in the form of appreciation and bragging rights.

[The Matrix Traveller]

It's not that I am unconvinced, per se.  I just struggle with instructions like, "See," "understand," "return" -
when I don't know what I'm looking for or where to see, to understand, or where to go to that is not wherever I AM.

Where ever you look you will find the Processing System Right in front of You over your whole Vision.

I know this will sound a little weird but find a well lit White Wall or something and stare at it.
Now blink your eyelids Rapidly while staring at the wall without moving your eyes.

What I call the "Eye Matrix" will appear stretched out over your whole Vision.

Looks like This...

So it is NOT far from anyone of us....   

The Blue Octagons appear Quite Large. I will give more detail on this when I get a moment.

It won't be easy to see but it can be seen (In Full Colour on a White Back Ground)

The other way to see this is to look at Light being Strobed on a Wall.. (Disco Strobe)

Sorry I am a little tied up at present as I am off to China tomorrow... 


As I will be travelling all over the place in China for the next few weeks, Communication on the net.
is NOT going to be Easy.

So if you can get a whole bunch of questions for me, I will order them and take the time to address them for you.
Even if it involves Hours.

Remember we are a family in Pegasus...   

As soon as I can get on the net again in China (Lunch times etc.) I will come back to your Concerns...


But I can say for Now, I went through all these issues Like you over many years.

So I can explain what I found.


I don't want anyone to follow me or what I can show, but if it gives understanding in the end then
some may put it to use.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Yes, most of us are so acutely aware of those few parts
that are engineered to "fail".   

I suppose a Utopia would give us all computers and robots
that will not break down, or need replacing?

Not sure that is possible, and still only so much
can be done to control those who just feel the
urge to "toss it" out, while on a drive, or by the river,
or the lake, or the seas...

Yes your concerns are very very, real and a huge problem, we still have to find practical answers for,
or we will be Living in a rubbish dump, as some do in other 2nd & 3rd world countries.

[Amaterasu]

Enjoy Your time in China!  I appreciate Your willingness to explain and try to impart understanding.

I'll see what I see on a wall!  [smile]

[burntheships]

I imagine They will acquire negative social currency

How would this be tracked, and controlled?

[burntheships]

or we will be Living in a rubbish dump, as some do in other 2nd & 3rd world countries.

Matrix, a very real concern it is....

Do take care while your away,
hope you have carefree travels.

[rdunk]

As you know, my thinking is in an opposite direction to what is in "the plan", so just listen to what I say with a "grain of salt". There is something going on today, to the which I see similarities in thought, ideals, and political ideology.  And I will try to relate that here!

TAP & OBAMACARE~~~~~~~~~~~~!!!

Both of these are made up plans that are intended to directly interfere with peoples lives, on a presumed/stated basis that  "THIS IS GOING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR EVERYBODY". it is like "to hell with the torpedos, and full steam ahead". Of course, these two programs are at opposite ends of the spectrum, as TAP envisions "no government", and Obamacare is specifically intended for government to "take complete control" of the people (unstated but obvious intention).

But the extreme difference noted aside, TAP and Obamacare are hand in hand relative to the long-term up-hill battle to be faced. I am not going into the politics of the good and bad for our country, but for sure there are specifics that will doom such actions - - primarily for America, if the people are not for it, and on board, 'IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN", at least not for long!! Obamacare has happened, but it is even now on its beginnings of life support", with resuscitation implemented, even though DNR (do not resuscitate) will be an eventual determination. One of the saddest things, just the program software & etc has already cost $100's of millions of dollars of increase to our debt, and they are pretty much starting over.

And Obamacare doesn't hold a candle to the extreme interference to peoples lives TAP would involve. Sure, promises to any living animal can bring some positive results, especially free this and free that, and live like you want to. Dogs and cats like to be fed too! But, if the food doesn't come, they get upset pretty quick.

There is no way Obamacare will be a serious success, because there is nothing good about it- NONE in the end. The people are seeing that, and are beginning to rise up against it. The voting this time next year will show that directly.

Obamacare should be some amount of learning experience for anyone seriously considering TAP, for anything other than a collective based work farm, or some such-like - - maybe on an island somewhere, where there is no government, no energy, and if people eat, they have to work for it. A system that is a "free lunch" for everybody won't work, because there will be no food to eat, until the people work to get it!

That is more said than I intended - the thought is, to use Obamacare as learning relative to TAP!
 

[The Matrix Traveller]

Thank you All; I will do my very best to get on the Net where and when I can in China.

I'm also off to Lhasa so I hope to get photos of both China and Lhasa...

My thoughts will be with you all.

[robomont]

I look forward to seeing some pics matrix

[Angel_Mass]

Thank you All; I will do my very best to get on the Net where and when I can in China.

I'm also off to Lhasa so I hope to get photos of both China and Lhasa...

My thoughts will be with you all.

Have a wonderful experience and time in China! Take care my friend.