Is the UNITED STATES a Corporation?

[deuem]

there's no revolution coming..there's no big anything coming
sad fact is that folks don't revolt till THEY think there is nothing else  for THEM to loose
some may be waking up to fraud but that doesn't mean they will do anything
but maybe talk about it and guard what they have

And You don't think that head is being approached at this time?  Million mask marches, ObamaNoCare affecting millions, and more and more?
Ok. 

I have never see a million people together, just because they use that number does not mean a million people showed up. At any time I have only seen a few hundred to a thousand maybe.

Sky is right, People only do this when they are up against a wall. No food no money, being shot at and dieing left and right. As long as they have food in their bellies, a home to live in and Cable TV they won't do it.

As long as TPTB walk the line they will be safe. What American is going to give up their soaps or MTV just to go out and get killed or arested. When was the last time you marched on Washington with 999,999 friends with the same goal... Even a March won't do anything, they would have to take over. And if the military and police were not on your side you would end up in those pretty camps busting rocks.

No revolution here, move along........

Deuem

[zorgon]

Well, I think that revolution is coming.

We are a long way from revolution. Sure the talk is there but for most people things are not that bad yet. Take Vegas for one... construction starts are up on many new mega projects... so there will be new jobs and a new prosperity. People will sigh with relief and get back on with it.

Hitler was in power long before the people figured out they were up the creek... took a war to get him out

McCarthy was locking up US citizens for even thing the 'C' word... that too rolled over the people before they did anything

More and more are waking up to this fraud perpetrated on all of Us.

"Waking up" is really a silly phrase. All over facebook and twatter people say "Wake up sheep" usually attached to some phony 'truth'.  No one is really waking up to anything... they are all just following the latest TREND. 80% of those saying "Wake Up" have no clue of reality.  Any real truth on the internet is so badly distorted by the very people who claim to be 'researching the truth' that government agents can sit by an laugh

I have tried many times over the last few months picking some key people that seemed smart on FB and pointing them at facts. All I get for my trouble is being called a troll and them telling me to 'go do some research' LOL

If 99% ignored the corporation, went a new direction, what could that 1% do?

Hitler and Co. were the 1%

Genghis Khan and his horde was the 1%: 'I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.', '

The PTB currently really running the show is the 1%

But the 99% will NEVER go in a new direction NOT EVER. When America broke from Britain only 20% mustered... the rest cowered in fear hoping it would all go away

[zorgon]

So...  You advocate hoping someOne comes along with an idea better than any that One has Oneself?  That We all hunt for someOne else with a good idea?  Where will the ideas come from?

What he said was a COMMON GOAL... you have YOUR GOAL for everyone else and cannot understand  why not everyone would jump on YOUR goal.

Your plan has no room for others to see their solutions. There is no halfway point. not interim goals... its my way or the highway really and that will push people away rather than draw them in

Frankly, ArMaP, if You can't tell that My sole goal is to achieve the best result for most people by this point, I stand aghast.

There is no give or take in Your way... there is no WE in your plan there is only I.  To achieve a final goal you have to allow people to believe that THEY count that THEIR ideas hopes and dreams will be included in the plan... If that isn't there... you are simple a dictator, albeit perhaps a benevolent one

[zorgon]

And You don't think that head is being approached at this time?

No. Things look bad, things are bad but not THAT bad yet for most people

Million mask marches,

Its easy to get people to march behind a mask... but what did they actually accomplish? What if all they did was show the PTB that there might be a real threat from a group pushing for anarchy that the PTB REALLY make use of those FEMA camps for the Million masks?

So show me what they accomplished with the marches? In Egypt Brazil and Turkey they marched without masks and threw out the dictators 

ObamaNoCare affecting millions, and more and more?

Obama care may be a mess... has yet to be seen when the dust settles... but my daughter just signed up. As she turned 25 today she has to apply on her own anyway... She called the Nevada office... filled out the form on the web in five minutes and will have FREE coverage under medicaid starting Jan 1st

The millions who had their insurance companies dump them were done so by shading corporations that are running scared and some even closed up shop.  Those people can actually afford health care and those people, the ones with money, will be paying higher.

Thought that was what everyone protesting has wanted? The rich pay more, the poor get free.

For my wife and I based on our combined income it looks like it will be $96.00 a month for both of us. Right now she pays $193.00 at work for just her and its poor coverage

So  I will wait and see how it pans out. It will either stick and they will work out the bugs (a LOT at the begiining) or it will fizzle and die.

Seems to me odd that YOU would be against the poor folk getting free coverage at the expense of the rich

[robomont]

Congrats on that rate zorgon.im holding out to see what happens.
The msm has been harping this olbummer care thing for two weeks hard.the peasants are grumbling and ratings are falling so the msm has to coop the new paridigm.cant get left behind and the people turn on them.
I sometimes look for symbolism in nature.not a religion .just a part time fancy.i got my black and white cat on the day olbummer was elected so i named him obama .he and his mate were killed by coyotes a few weeks back.i  say the coyotes are the ptb .just as the coyotes are tptb out here in the country.i see olbummer s reputation dying .he may be impeached before his term is over.
Just a theory but i wouldnt be surprised.yes im a little nutty.
The day before 911 i caught two water moccasins coiled up vertically and fighting.i shot them w my 22.exactly 24 hours later.the towers fell.i sometimes just speculate.

[WarToad]

Just re-enrolled 2 weeks ago for my Corp Bene's.  Healthcare, dental, vision insurance all runs $389.26/month for 2 adults and 4 kids.  Not too bad. $12 more than last year, but that's just inflation, not the ACA.  $40-ish cheaper than 2 years ago when I was with another corporation.(Different plans)  I'm going to call it a win.

[ArMaP]

So...  You advocate hoping someOne comes along with an idea better than any that One has Oneself?

No.

That We all hunt for someOne else with a good idea?  Where will the ideas come from?

No, what I am saying is that I think what should be done is talking with other people that share the opinion that a change is needed and that, based on their opinions, trying to reach a common goal.

Frankly, ArMaP, if You can't tell that My sole goal is to achieve the best result for most people by this point, I stand aghast.

I understand that's your goal, unfortunately, your actions make it look like you are more interested in having all other people following your own idea.

[ArMaP]

And if the military and police were not on your side you would end up in those pretty camps busting rocks.

I keep saying that, but nobody listens.

As long as the police and the military are seen as part of the problem instead of being part of the solution, any idea of revolution will fail.

[robomont]

As much heat as armap takes fom us sometimes.i wonder if we should have a thread titled."All about armap and his way of thinking".not dogging you man.i like getting into hot debate w you.

Personally i believe if im right then until a better idea comes up .everybody should go with my idea.a for sure path is easier to travel than a path of obstacles and darkness.plus its easier to refine at a later date when a better idea comes along .usually.

[Sinny]

We are a long way from revolution.

Depends on your perspective... I say it's coming in the next 10-30 years. I'll still be around...But will you?     

[robomont]

The next baby boomer group will be at highest salary around 2020.so hats when the next big war or chaos will be.if their plan goes right.they will bankrupt them in2017.make the twenty something year olds suffer for three years so they wil be desparate for jobs and join the military.then its war on.

[Somamech]

Here is what I pay for Healthcare in Australia:

http://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Medicare-levy/

Its a saftey net... If you get severely screwed over, YOU always have medical available. 

Although it's been years since I used the system due to being in hospital with broken bone's and what have you way too often to want to get sick again.  I must say it's nice to live in a socitey where anyone can get medical care.  The goal post's have changed in Oz, but we still can get medical care through our tax.

Damn I dont know what half of you in the states complain about at times.  Some of you complain about the hardship's of people who cannot afford a brass tack, yet say you are being ripped off when healthcare for all may work, even in it's infancy. 

No system is perfect, but for crying out loud tax people accordingly and have mercy for people that can't afford it.

[Sinny]

The American health system is not far from being barbaric.... Live long and prosper!... Not.

[WarToad]

Yea, I think Obama missed a golden opportunity with ObamaCare.  We already have a fully opperational 100% socialist healthcare system in the US.  It's called the VA Hospital for the military.  Completely tax paid healthcare, any Vet and their family automatically gets in, run by the government, staffed by the government.  He could have made the move to just change it from Vets and family to every US Citizen.  Healthcare should not be for profit.  In a civil society we should all care for each other. (and I'm shooting myself in the foot here because I'm an medical/financial Underwriter for insurance, private health insurance would be gone, part of my income.)

But he missed that boat.  It would have been complicated and there would have been lawsuits and economic ramifications to eliminating private healthcare, but it also would have been socially transforming.  He also wouldn't have been seen as forcing people to buy something they didnt want, couldn't really afford.  It would have just been there for them.

[Sinny]

So...  You advocate hoping someOne comes along with an idea better than any that One has Oneself? 

Well, if it is infact a better idea - then yea 

Where will the ideas come from?

The cosmos 

Frankly, ArMaP, if You can't tell that My sole goal is to achieve the best result for most people by this point, I stand aghast.

What you stand for is completely admiral. Having said that I personally think your idea is not practical, you're trying to create a new system whilst the old remains in place- in order for that to be sucessful, your going to need to get a few billion on board - which is not likely.

However, I wouldn't personally want to try and discourage you... Some change is better than no change I guess.