Clementine images

[ArMaP]

Fine - I am through with this anyway - a waste of time with no "real data" presented that gives any reason to believe that Skipper's report is not accurate.

If you think the original photos are real data then I guess there's nothing you will accept that goes against your preconceived ideas.

[ArMaP]

Said I was through on this but, why has this Moon anomaly post been moved to the Mars Anomalies Forum Board, rather than to the Moon Anomalies??

That's because the splitting didn't move the new thread to a different forum.

[Elvis Hendrix]

More of the infamous images that are not on the "updated version" of the clementine browser.
Sheesh.. I wonder why not














  The official NASA explanation to me would work
       well, down one of these.

                                                 

                                               


          Aye Thank yoo.

[deuem]

Yes, I agree. those photos are 100% blurred, Ok, now what? now we have a bunch of blured photos from NASA for what ever the reason is. It is as plain as the nose on your face. Now what? Un-Blur them? As a team, what do we do next. Argure for the next 10 pages if they are blured rocks, spaceships, towers tape, drunk processor spilling coffee?

Unless someone can find a copy of this print before it got blured and prove it, we will never resolve this issue. So, Maybe the moon is blured cheese.

What do you want to do with these
1) toss them,
2) unblur them
3) hang NASA
4) where are we going, what rabbit hole
5) draw circles around the blurs

What is the plan guys?  We need a better plan than my blur is bigger than yours!

Or, unless someone of you can unblurr them or the so called object found on another photo then what do we do?

Deuem

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Good point Deuem

Maybe we could do a pixel-by-pixel examination to see how the blur was formed?
...and some size reference would be handy, like the distance between the blue arrows?

Strange.
When G**gle Sky does it, they just put a big black square on the 'anomaly'--no messing about trying to blur stuff

BTW, i choose 'option 3'.........

[Elvis Hendrix]

I dont know kids.
I have no answers, and i dont mean to give anyone a headache.
I was just being facetious really, cos im a naughty old hecktor.
I just thought id put them all in one place.
Elvis.

And Happy Thanksgiving you colonials you

[Elvis Hendrix]

This is what a poster named funkster4 came up with on spooks.
and this is what he said about the technique used.

"...which was obtained using a brand new image-processing methodology called Polynomial Texture Mapping (first presented in 2001 in a scientific paper by an Hewlett Packard team headed by Tom Malzbender: Google it).

I joined this forum just a few days ago, because I have realized that this methodoly is actually unknown, even of the self-proclaimed experts in things optical, the kind you find on forums like this one, while it is actually very propably a paradigm change in the way we can now analyze films and pictures of alledged unknown flying craft.

PTM is considered by top scientists now as a major breakthrough in image processing: it was put to use notably to solve the Anthykythera Mechanism mystery (a riddle which had kept archeologists mystified for more than half a century), by bringing out previously undecipherable inscriptions.
It is so powerful as en enhancement technique that it can even bring out original data hidden below posteriously added data. Yeah, that's right..."






Then he goes on to say,

"HP actually offers a free dowload of a PTM sofware, but I was not able to make it work (I am not computer friendly). "


Elvis

[Elvis Hendrix]

apparently this was the original that he tinkered with.

[zorgon]

Zorgon is about to start swinging his sword and make some heads role    

[zorgon]

#1  CLEMENTINE WAS (and IS) a US NAVY project NASA only ran mission control

#2 Clementine took the original photos in FULL COLOR, slightly enhanced into both the infra red spectrum and the UV spectrum givng what ArMaP and other skeptics refer to as 'false color"  Well screw that 'false color' crap because the camera had the ability to take images in full REAL color (as opposed to TRUE color which ArMaP and I argued over for a lot of years till we finally agreed that the sky on Mars is BLUE

#3 The Clementine images are available at the NRL (Naval Reserach Lab) and the USGS Map A Planet site.. When they full color images were first released to the public, WE were given the scoop by a two week lead. This was in Dec 2006 and we released it in a press release at ATS

Revealed for the First Time Color Images of the Moon from Clementine Satellite
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread237436/pg1

[zorgon]

THIS is the image of Reiner Gamma that Skipper worked with... really deliberately made worse



This is the image of Reiner Gamma from the Version 1.5 NAVY browser



This is an image of Reiner Gamma taken by Mike Deegan (our big moon photo)



This is my copy of the same area. The web image is 10%  Click on the image for full resolution in full color. The image in full resolution is 10 megs

[deuem]

Ok got the zip file from HP and opened it. It might be a MSDOS program. I can't run it yet either.

You did fine by posting the photos Elvis, I just don't want to go throught the, my blur, your rock again for 10 pages. We need to get past that and onto a better method. I will try that program again latter. I am now seeing squares.


I looked at the square with Deuem and to me it appears that an object or paper or tape was placed over the negative when processing the photo or making a swcond negative. I say this because several patterns stop instantly when hitting the quuare. If the square was in the original negative it should have bended in with the area. it does not.

Deuem

[zorgon]

The original image release came from Mark Robinson via Jack Arneson. Mark at that time was with North Western Uninversity. He was transferring to Arizona State University where the huge 128+ gigabyte .cub files from Clementine in color are currently stored and Mark is team leader of the LROC team

Patricia from USGS when we wrote her explained the colors were SLIGHTLY enhanced by UV/IR and are listed as UV/VIS (VIS =Visible light  ie what we see)

She also thanked us because our ATS 'leak' generated so much traffic for the USGS Map-A-Planet site that it was an instant success

If you look on the Living Moon Website, some of our firat pages have ALL the details on the browser versions, the images, the anomalies and the color image release as well as the documents on the satellite and the cameras...

Clementine was also the one that discovered water on the moon that NASA later took credit for


U.S. Department of Defense
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Public Affairs)
News Transcript
Presenter: Dr. Dwight Duston, Assistant Deputy for Technology, Ballistic Missile Defense Organization;   December 04, 1996 1:45 PM EST

Tuesday, December 3, 1996 - 1:45 p.m.

Subject: Discovery of Ice on the Moon

Dr. Dwight Duston, Assistant Deputy for Technology, Ballistic Missile Defense Organization;
Dr. Paul Spudis, Lunar and Planetary Institute, Rice University;
Dr. Stewart Nozette, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory;
Col. Pedro Rustan, USAF, Director, Small Satellite Program, National Reconnaissance Office;
Christopher L. Lichtenberg, Head, RF Active System Section, Naval Research Laboratory; and
Col. Richard Bridges, USA, director, Defense Information, OASD(PA).

Q: What's the presumptive volume of it then, and how did you discern that?

A: As I mentioned, what we can tell from looking at the radar return is roughly the area that is covered by this. Assuming it reflects ice like ice on Mercury -- making that assumption. That's been well looked at. Then in order to see this back scatter effect, this roadside reflector effect; it's estimated that we have to see some number of wavelengths of our radar into the ice. In reviewing the paper, several of the reviewers posited we probably need to see somewhere between 50 and 100 wavelengths. So our wavelength is about six inches. So at the thickest case, it's roughly 50 feet.

Q: That translates to what in volume?

A: We were very conservative in the press release, but if you take basically 100 square kilometers by roughly 50 feet, you get a volume of something like a quarter of a cubic mile, I think it's on that order. It's a considerable amount, but it's not a huge glacier or anything like that.

Q: Can you compare that with something you know?

A: It's a lake. A small lake.


Q: Where is Clementine now?

A: The spacecraft, as you know, from the name Clementine, is only supposed to be here for a short period of time and be lost and gone forever, so it was intended for a very short period of time after this lunar mission, did a rendezvous with the earth, and shortly after that was shifted by the moon's gravity and continued a flight which will bring it back near the earth about nine years from now. So it's an 11 year total flight around the sun. So basically it's moving like a little planet around the sun, and it will bring it back close to us in about nine years... It's two years since it left us so it will be another nine years before it's back. But it's not useful right now. The mission is finished.

Q: But unlike it's namesake, it's not lost and gone forever. It will be back?

A: It will be back,

http://www.defense.gov/Transcripts/Transcript.aspx?TranscriptID=731

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Ok got the zip file from HP and opened it. It might be a MSDOS program. I can't run it yet either.

You did fine by posting the photos Elvis, I just don't want to go throught the, my blur, your rock again for 10 pages. We need to get past that and onto a better method. I will try that program again latter. I am now seeing squares.

Deuem

While I'll be cooking turkey

[Elvis Hendrix]

Z youve obviously done tons of work on this stuff already which is hugely appreciated.
Elvis.