Is academic science stupid to dismiss UFO reports?

[Pimander]

By denying the reality of the reports, brushing aside the witnesses...and treating them like fools or crooks, the academic skeptics are actually teaching the public that science is impotent at studying the phenomenon.

Jaqcues Vallee - Messengers of Deception

Discuss....

[robomont]

Scientist dont get funding from the gov when they run their mouth.the colleges have the tech spread out so that nobody knows whats going on.the universities have alot of wealth that is tied up with the markets.if they screw up the market will take their money.the same way it strips the old of their wealth.the veil covers the truth that the usa and brittain are socialized countries.not free markets .

These universities are like the big churches.they hold alot of power that isnt spoken of.chicago university is involved in the invisibility part of the craft.these universities are mini manufacturers.custom making just a few parts each.

Thats how i see it.

[rdunk]

By denying the reality of the reports, brushing aside the witnesses...and treating them like fools or crooks, the academic skeptics are actually teaching the public that science is impotent at studying the phenomenon.
Jaqcues Vallee - Messengers of Deception


"Academic skeptics" may be just one of the base elements in our perception of this problem. The last "stone to turn" for skeptics is the admission of having been wrong in their perception/acceptance of a fact or truth. And then, so it seems to me, there is no "bridge of science" for the academics to access for a scientific transformation of their skeptic thinking. Academia is highly trained to research subjects, and with "no real physical subjects" for research, their role is dead in the water with UFOs and the such like. Eye witness evidence/testimony and photographic evidence does not seem to compute to science, nor to skeptical thought.

I spoke with one rather well known Berkley academic about something specific in our area of interest, and his comments in summary were, "Write up an extensive detailed paper on it, submit it for publication with a well recognized scientific publisher, have it published, and then and only then, there might be someone who might be interested in taking a look at it some day".

The real truth of these such matters will be in the truth of the physical facts, with the which seeming to continually be denied and covered up by governments et al..   

And as Robo said, government may be heavy handing money to colleges and universities relative to their willingness to "cooperate".

[ArMaP]

Jaqcues Vallée was wrong, a sceptic doesn't deny any thing.

[ArMaP]

Academia is highly trained to research subjects, and with "no real physical subjects" for research, their role is dead in the water with UFOs and the such like.

The problem is that most ignore the comparatively few cases for which there are some physical evidences. A light moving in the night sky, captured on film or video is the same as any experiment being filmed (if we ignore that the experiment is supposed to be under control of those doing it).

I spoke with one rather well known Berkley academic about something specific in our area of interest, and his comments in summary were, "Write up an extensive detailed paper on it, submit it for publication with a well recognized scientific publisher, have it published, and then and only then, there might be someone who might be interested in taking a look at it some day".

That's a big problem with today's science, it acts like Facebook: if you have enough "likes" they look at it, if it doesn't have they ignore it.

[The Seeker]

It is all about the money; most universities are controlled by those that control the purse strings...

most researchers are funded by grants and those same purse string holders; decide to stray from the accepted, dictated norm and those strings are easily cut...


seeker

[undo11]

you're wasting your time debating this subject with armap.  lol

seriously .  take my word on this. lol

[robomont]

Yes the universities have the money but they like the grant money because it covers the expenses plus it gives the college cutting edge tech.this keeps the college relevant.plus better market for their students for jobs later.
There wont be no straight up advertisement of what they are up to.just got to find the industry and find the professors then find the specialties.alot of foot work and internet searching.imho

[zorgon]

you're wasting your time debating this subject with armap.  lol
seriously .  take my word on this. lol

but... but... isn't ArMaP ATS's supreme UFO expert?

[zorgon]

That's a big problem with today's science, it acts like Facebook: if you have enough "likes" they look at it, if it doesn't have they ignore it.

Yup I agree 100% with that and have said so many times...

Seems the 'likes' translate into funding... and in the end THAT is what drives science.. funding and tenur...  no funding available for UFO research... and any money that does get funneled that way ends up in military programs (not counting the BILLIONS the charlatans are reaping in abundance)

Look at the latest "Mayan Stargate Stones" being peddled by Klaus Dona and Nassim Haramein...

Absolutely NO PROVEDENCE... only vague references to where they might have been found, in Mexico, or was that Equadoe... no wait somewhere in Central America... they don't look anything like any known mayan art... then Dr Elizabeth Rauscher steps in to the picture as Nassim's Handler (she was also involved with Greer and John Hutchinson)  and then an astute (or used to be) org like national Geographic picks up the story...

Well there ya go  proof that science is driven by popular opinion over reality...

And try to point that out? Might as well shoot yourself in the foot

Hey ArMap  you still signing up Fair Skeptics?

[robomont]

Its kinda like pot.taboo.everybody in the room may be cool but nobody would dare state it publicly.im just surprised the billionairs havent had a chance to buy them for themselves yet.

[undo11]

but... but... isn't ArMaP ATS's supreme UFO expert?

wait wait.  (runs out of room laughing. walks back in drying eyes and holding stomach)

whew. thanks for that.  i think that's phaige or paige or whatever his name is. hehe

oh have you seen this? 
as you're watching it, tell me, who does he look like and do my ears trick me or is he a rosicrucian? 

[Elvis Hendrix]

whew. thanks for that.  i think that's phaige or paige or whatever his name is. hehe

Yes you are correct.
Here he is with his long term lover Jim, At the 2012 auditions
for the X-Factor.
Apparently thier naked rendition of "Fly Me To The Moon"
didnt set the judges alight.

Although their rather "Avant-Garde" dance routine did garner many comments from the Star studded panel.
X-Factor Guru Simon Cowell, was rumoured to have labled the performance as, "extremely disconcerting".



     

                                             

[undo11]

aww no, armap is cuter than either of them, i'm sure.  phage on the other hand , i dunno.   he's frequently right in his conclusions, but occasionally wrong, from what i can tell.   i mean he never did successfully dispute z's info on the huge amounts of food being sent up to the space station.  tons of oranges and so forth.  just insane amounts of perishables .

[robomont]

My eyes almost caught fire.warn folks before posting that pic.lol.
Hilarious !!