Chang'e 3 - China Rover Separates From Lander, Now On Moon's Surface

[zorgon]

Yup that's the ones. Do you know what they are. I just noticed them and thought they were a bit strange.

Likely footprints from the stage hands

[Flux]

Flux: what print?

Deuem

The image A51 posted with the little green lights which Sky Otter pointed out. The faint lines are within the sky line. These imperfections maybe from taking a photo of a large monitor like you mentioned before.

[ArMaP]

  I have a question. We do not know the sensor type used in chang'e 3 cameras, ccd or cmos.

CMOS sensors are usually used on lower quality cameras, I saw one site saying that the camera that was filming the landing (the one capable of 10 fps video) was a CMOS camera.

The light is transfered digitally pixel by pixel, line by line in cmos,sent to a transmiter, picked up by a receiver, fed into a computer. It is then reconstructed as an image. Is it possible to alter the final image if the transmision does not meet pre-programed computer instructions ?

Sure it is, the biggest problem would be knowing if they meet or not those hypothetical "pre-programed computer instructions". But I don't see how computer instructions would come from an imaging sensor.

Can the image be generated in a computer program without a camera ?

Yes, an image can be generated in a computer program.

[deuem]

The light is transferred digitally pixel by pixel, line by line in cmos, sent to a transmitter, picked up by a receiver, fed into a computer. It is then reconstructed as an image. Is it possible to alter the final image if the transmission does not meet pre-programmed computer instructions ?


Sure it is, the biggest problem would be knowing if they meet or not those hypothetical "pre-programmed computer instructions". But I don't see how computer instructions would come from an imaging sensor.

The Easy thing to do would be to program it to obliterate any known shapes like straight lines, squares, circles and triangles. If it picked up a geometric pattern, then blot that section with a preprogrammed rock or blend it to death. Even cover the area with a screen like filter to confuse the pixels and scatter them around. Or send it up with a hard drive full of preprogrammed photos to be released on command. At least this way they seem to come from the moon.

If the photo is altered at the site then it would have to be after the image sensor and in a processor. People also do CGI all the time with out a camera. The Moon / Earth shot on this thread is a CGI photo. Composite put together without a camera. It also showed Europe being nuked if you look close. They could have used a better shot.

Deuem

[ArMaP]

The faint lines are within the sky line. These imperfections maybe from taking a photo of a large monitor like you mentioned before.

After some level adjustments those lines become more visible.

(click for full size)

[Elvis Hendrix]

[deuem]

6 Minute landing video. If they don't work, oh well I tried.

http://v.pps.tv/play_3AQE3K.html
or the same one



If anyone can get this and get a copy I would like a copy.
Interesting to watch.
Deuem

[rdunk]

Elvis, one of those tumbleweeds appears to be from the Moon, and the other has a Martian look. Is that what you are seeing, or am I mistaken. Both do seem to be equally affected by the surface winds! However, with the way these babies are bouncing, the which is indicative of "reduced gravity", this would point to both of these being on the Moon.

Then again, from what we can see in the way these tumbleweeds are bouncing and being blown, there certainly does appear to be enough "wind" to blow an American flag, if an American flag just happened to be placed here.......some day!

There is an obvious cross on Mars (that I will post someday), I wonder if Chang'e 3 will find an Christmas tree on the Moon (or maybe an American flag)? Where there are tumbleweeds and/or flags, there might also be Christmas trees!!:))

This space research stuff is fun, isn't it?!!!

[Elvis Hendrix]

Ha Ha Rdunk sorry i couldnt help myself

[Elvis Hendrix]

Guys this is not a troll post. I am mearly passing on info that is being published. I myself am unconvinced thus far..
Elvis

Last week China made international news claiming to have successfully landed a spacecraft carrying a lunar rover called the "Jade Rabbit" on the moon.  Unfortunately like other publicized space exploration spectacles this event is highly questionable and appears to be another hoax.  Many researchers have proven conclusively that the American missions to the moon during the Apollo era of the late 1960s and early 1970s were faked in a television studio on Earth.  It is no wonder why Apollo astronauts like buzz Aldrin get angry and punch people when confronted about their participation in the fraud.  It is truly sad that the Chinese have decided to follow this same hoax formula as they attempt to project national prestige through their space program.  It is however much more cost effective to fake a mission into space than to actually do it legitimately.

China's space program already has a dubious history after many independent researchers questioned the authenticity of video footage claiming to show the nation's first manned spacewalk back in 2008.  The footage of the alleged spacewalk at one point shows what appear to be water bubbles floating past an astronaut.  This indicates that the footage the Chinese passed off as their first spacewalk was shot in a water tank and not in space.  Details surrounding the so-called successful spacewalk including quotes from the astronauts involved in the mission were released prior to the mission even launching.  In other words, the scripted event was released to the public too early.  This embarrassing situation further confirmed people's doubts about the spacewalk's legitimacy and provided more proof that the entire event was staged.

The circumstances surrounding China's alleged moon landing are just as questionable.   When the event was broadcast live by Chinese television it focused primarily on the cartoon animations of the spacecraft.  Little if any useful footage was shown from the spacecraft itself.  The little footage that we did see showed frame by frame clips of the spacecraft supposedly getting closer to the lunar surface.  Once we were told that it had landed on the moon, the camera attached to the spacecraft showed nothing that anyone would find remotely useful.  It is also hard to understand how no dust from the surface was picked up by the on board camera when the spacecraft landed.  Surely the spacecraft's engine when approaching the surface or the impact with the surface itself would have kicked up some dust from the surface.  The footage shows none of this even in the real time version that was released after the live broadcast.

The only other footage we have been shown of this mission is a brief video clip supposedly showing the "Jade Rabbit" lunar rover rolling itself out on to the lunar surface.  Some of the same questions that people have raised about the Apollo footage pertains here.  The footage shows black sky with no stars or other celestial reference points.  In addition, the horizon shown is curved in a very strange manner.  It looks man made without the normal inconsistencies you'd expect to see if we were truly looking at the real lunar horizon.

On top of this, there has been very little mention of the space mission since the alleged landing and rover deployment last week.  We have also seen no high quality pictures or video footage taken of the lunar surface.  If this were a real mission, one would think that they would be sending back hundreds if not thousands of new images and video in high quality to show off the powerful technological capabilities of the Chinese state.  None of this has happened which gives more credence to the premise that this event is being faked.

Besides the footage mentioned earlier the only other significant material released so far has been a panorama picture of the lunar surface.  Instead of releasing a high quality source image, it has been released in the form of a video camera recording the image off of a projector screen.  This is the same tactic that was used during the Apollo 11 mission undoubtedly to mask or hide imperfections of the stage.  Interestingly enough, the panorama which should show both the sun and the earth are not seen at all anywhere in the sky of the picture.  All of this raises some serious questions about the photo's authenticity along with the authenticity of the mission itself.  It is pretty sad that you could actually argue that the James Bond film "Diamonds Are Forever" released back in the early 1970s provided a better hoax recreation of the lunar surface than what we are seeing here.

It should be interesting to see how the Chinese will deal with this moving forward since everything we have seen so far indicates that this mission is nothing more than a gigantic fraud.  The footage and images that we have been shown so far are about the same quality of the stuff we saw back in the late 1960s and early 1970s during the Apollo hoaxes.  This in of itself is ridiculous considering that we've since had over 40 years of advances in camera technology.  Take for example some of the high resolution photos taken from the Hubble telescope.  Simply put, the Chinese have given us no reason to believe that this mission is real and every reason to believe that it is fake.

http://planet.infowars.com/offbeat/chinas-moon-landing-appears-to-be-another-staged-hoax



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1061495/China-boasted-space-walk-mission-hours-astronauts-left-launch-pad.html

[08rubicon]

 deuem;
   Search http://english/cntv.cn   or  http://cntv.cn..The only video
of the chang'e 3 landing was a simulation 14 min. long. at the end,
still images were shown of the landing area. Guess you will have to
search, as the info is hard to find..look for 'china's first moon rover-
special report-'chang'e 3 probe soft landing on moon.'  good luck
   rubicon

[08rubicon]

 you might also try www.planetarysociety.org. go to ' view the library'
half way down page (1) is the landing video. check it out

[ArMaP]

If anyone can get this and get a copy I would like a copy.

I downloaded it and sent you a copy.

[undo11]

the chinese space walk bubble thing, seems wrong to me.  i don't think those are bubbles but the rest of the evidence suggests something weird was going on

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Bumped to read later, because i am a lazy git....

Anomalies, they are everywhere!

What you might want to look for in the 'backround' is evidence of a collapsed dome, as i pointed out in my vid "ffing moon", most of you have seen it

This would involve evidence of titanium steel struts (yellowish in colour) and silixon glass, which is in abundance there....a kind of blue-greenish off-white.....

Look for that kind of formation in the backround (if there is one...? )
Later

ETA: Sh... yet another hoax? I guess we will have to go there ourselves...