Amercian Judge Says: Ok to Beat Someone Attacking Islam

[ArMaP]

CBN link was just a cross-link to an article in the New York Times.

What article? I couldn't see any reference an New York Times article.

[burntheships]

I had no problem finding supporting articles on this story.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/291921/sharia-court-pennsylvania-transcript-andrew-c-mccarthy

Transcript of the Judge's remarks:

The audio of Judge Martin's remarks can be heard on YouTube (The audio, beginning at around the 2-minute mark on the YouTube clip, lasts about 7 minutes. Martin has reportedly threatened to hold Perce in contempt for recording and publishing the judge's statements, which were made in open court. Perce says he had permission to make a recording as long as it was only audio, not video.) Here is the transcript:


Well, having had the benefit of having spent over two-and-a-half years in a predominantly Muslim country, I think I know a little bit about the faith of Islam. In fact, I have a copy of the Koran here, and I would challenge you, sir, to show me where it says in the Koran that Mohammed arose and walked among the dead.

[Unintelligible.] You misinterpreted things. Before you start mocking someone else's religion you may want to find out a little bit more about it. That makes you look like a doofus.

And Mr. Thomas [Elbayomi's defense lawyer] is correct. In many other Muslim speaking countries – excuse me, in many Arabic speaking countries – call it "Muslim" – something like this is definitely against the law there. In their society, in fact, it could be punishable by death, and it frequently is, in their society.

Here in our society, we have a constitution that gives us many rights, specifically, First Amendment rights. It's unfortunate that some people use the First Amendment to deliberately provoke others. I don't think that's what our forefathers really intended. I think our forefathers intended that we use the First Amendment so that we can speak our mind, not to piss off other people and other cultures, which is what you did.

I don't think you're aware, sir, there's a big difference between how Americans practice Christianity – uh, I understand you're an atheist. But, see, Islam is not just a religion, it's their culture, their culture. It's their very essence, their very being. They pray five times a day towards Mecca. To be a good Muslim, before you die, you have to make a pilgrimage to Mecca unless you are otherwise told you cannot because you are too ill, too elderly, whatever. But you must make the attempt.

Their greetings, "Salaam alaikum," "Alaikum wa-salaam," "May God be with you." Whenever — it is very common — their language, when they're speaking to each other, it's very common for them to say, uh, "Allah willing, this will happen." It is — they are so immersed in it.

Then what you have done is you've completely trashed their essence, their being. They find it very, very, very offensive. I'm a Muslim, I find it offensive. F'Im a Muslim, I'd find it offensive. [Unintelligble] aside was very offensive.

But you have that right, but you're way outside your bounds on First Amendment rights.

This is what — as I said, I spent half my years altogether living in other countries. When we go to other countries, it's not uncommon for people to refer to us as "ugly Americans." This is why we are referred to as "ugly Americans," because we're so concerned about our own rights we don't care about other people's rights. As long as we get our say, but we don't care about the other people's say.

All that aside I've got here basically — I don't want to say, "He said, she said." But I've got two sides of the story that are in conflict with each other. I understand — I've been at a Halloween parade, I understand how noisy it can be, how difficult it can be to get a [unintelligible]. I can't believe that, if there was this kind of conflict going on in the middle of the street, that somebody didn't step forward sooner to try and intervene — that the police officer on a bicycle didn't stop and say, "Hey, let's break this up."

[Unintelligible]. You got a witness.

[Unintelligible response. Judge Martin then continues:]

The preponderance of, excuse me, the burden of proof is that the defendant — it must be proven that the defendant did with the intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person — The Commonwealth, whether there was conflict or not — and, yes, he should be took [sic] putting his hands on you. I don't know — I have your story he did and his story that he did not.

But another part of the element [of the offense charged] is, as Mr. Thomas [the defense lawyer] said, was — "Was the defendant's intent to harass, annoy or alarm — or was it his intent to try to have the offensive situation negated?"

If his intent was to harass, annoy or alarm, I think there would have been a little bit more of an altercation. Something more substantial as far as testimony going on that there was a conflict. Because there is not, it is not proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt that this defendant is guilty of harassment. Therefore I am going to dismiss the charge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf11F3y9LOE&feature=youtu.be

Here is the audio recording judge



My personal opinion is that people of the Muslim faith take
their "god" way to seriously, and it is actually frightening to
see to what level they feel justified in this 21st century
to defend this so called "allah" god.

[ArMaP]

I had no problem finding supporting articles on this story.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/291921/sharia-court-pennsylvania-transcript-andrew-c-mccarthy

Your quote from that page doesn't show that the "I'm a Muslim, I find it offensive." was changed to the "F'Im a Muslim, I'd find it offensive".

My personal opinion is that people of the Muslim faith take their "god" way to seriously, and it is actually frightening to see to what level they feel justified in this 21st century to defend this so called "allah" god.

I agree, some people take their religion too seriously, regardless of what that religion (or lack of it, many atheists take their atheism too seriously) may be.

[burntheships]

Here is the state page of judge Mark Martin
http://www.ccpa.net/directory.aspx?EID=101

Judge Mark Martin is an Iraq war veteran and a convert to Islam, according to George Washington University law professor Jonathon Turley. The incident, recorded on video, occurred on October 11, 2011 at the Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania Halloween parade. Ernie Perce, an atheist, was attacked by Talaag Elbayomy, a Muslim, because of the former's costume. Judge Martin threw out video evidence of the assault, dismissed the testimony of an eyewitness officer, and then lectured the atheist victim about the sensitivities of the Muslim culture. He stated in court that Elbayomy was obligated to attack the victim because of his culture and religion. - See more at: http://www.onenewsnow.com/legal-courts/2012/02/27/judge-muslim-obligated-to-attack-atheist#sthash.fXKcYnRa.dpuf

[burntheships]

Your quote from that page doesn't show that the "I'm a Muslim, I find it offensive." was changed to the "F'Im a Muslim, I'd find it offensive".

I dont recall saying it did.

I listened to the recording made, which I posted on you tube.

It seems irrelevant whether the judge said "I'm a Muslim"
or "F'Im a Muslim" .....as clearly he is ruling here with Sharia
Law intent, defending the attacker and then lecturing the
victim to the sensitivities of Muslims.

[ArMaP]

I dont recall saying it did.

I didn't say you did, I was just pointing that out for the people that do not follow links.

It seems irrelevant whether the judge said "I'm a Muslim" or "F'Im a Muslim" .....as clearly he is ruling here with Sharia Law intent, defending the attacker and then lecturing the victim to the sensitivities of Muslims.

Irrelevant if he says he is a Muslim or not, in a case between a Muslim and an atheist?

Under Sharia law the atheist would be sentenced to death.

[burntheships]

Under Sharia law the atheist would be sentenced to death.

One step at a time ArMaP, one step at a time.



That is always how it is done.

[ArMaP]

One step at a time ArMaP, one step at a time.



That is always how it is done.

And it's always a good excuse for accusing someone of thinking about doing something, making it a kind of thought police, something Sharia law does not have. 

[burntheships]

making it a kind of thought police, something Sharia law does not have. 

I am not so sure about that....

O You who believe! Keep your duty to Allâh and be with the truthful (9:119)

This companionship with the truthful can be diverse in ways. Practically, by developing friendship with the pious, attending gatherings of such persons, studying the writings of the pious and reading their biographies.

Mental and physical illness can also be the cause of certain immoral deeds, to offset which Islam has drawn our attention to many aspects of physical and mental hygiene.


And purify your clothes (and the thoughts). And idol-worship, (spare no pains to) exterminate it and shun all uncleanliness. (74:4-5)

The pollution of the environment can be another source of evil. To rectify this kind of uncleanness, the Holy Qur'ân has taught us:


And guard against an affliction which surely will afflict not only those of you in particular who have acted unjustly (but it will involve others also who are inclined towards them); and know that Allâh is Severe in requiting. (8:25)

http://www.islam-info.ch/en/Morality_in_Islam.htm

[Yusufali 41:23] "But this thought of yours which ye did entertain concerning your Lord, hath brought you to destruction, and (now) have ye become of those utterly lost!"

[Pickthal 41:23] That, your thought which ye did think about your Lord, hath ruined you; and ye find yourselves (this day) among the lost.

[Shakir 41:23] And that was your (evil) thought which you entertained about your Lord that has tumbled you down into perdition, so are you become of the lost ones.

[ArMaP]

I am not so sure about that....

Then show me a case where that was applied by Sharia law.

[burntheships]

Then show me a case where that was applied by Sharia law.

ArMaP,

Not saying that I could, but really again no need
as in the Islam world they just kill ya if they think
you deserve it.

[ArMaP]

Not saying that I could, but really again no need as in the Islam world they just kill ya if they think you deserve it.

People do that all the time, in 2012 I saw one man being shot by his wife with a shotgun, for personal reasons, they do not even need religion for that, just an excuse.